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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    curmudgeoness said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take. 
    No,  just him in this case.  It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them. 
    He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it. 

    look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death. 
    Why do you think Rand got the vaccine?  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268
    I watched his "choose freedom" video and I misunderstood something he said about the vaccine. 
    Here's the thing.  I've watched Rand closely over the years, as I found him interesting when he was first elected as a senator.  He seemed principled and was willing to buck traditional views on both sides of the aisle.  But over the past decade, he's devolved into someone even worse than a known partisan.  I've found him disingenuous, deceitful and just as prone to ridiculous, hyperbolic statements as anyone.  He is no Justin Amash who appears to be a truly principled libertarian.  So he gets no benefit of the doubt from me.  His continued badgering of Fauci  both in hearings and now in a criminal referral is repulsive.  He's worse than any other senator on the Hill in that respect, 

    There's seems to be something that happened when he, Lindsey Graham, and others went golfing with TFG. It can't be that the golf was soooo awesome (we all know TFG cheats at golf). My assumption has been blackmail of some sort, but I suppose that belongs in another thread.

    I have no love for Rand Paul at this point, either. However, given that his wife lost money on the deal and knowing full well that things like this *can* happen, I'm not inclined to get agitated about this story. I WOULD like people to remember how certain senators were briefed on the coronavirus early last year and then sprinted to call their brokers and money managers before doing a damn thing on the public health front. That's worth remembering. 
    Lindsay was absolutely blackmailed.  There's no doubt in my mind.  

    For Rand, I'm not agitated, but I'm not surprised either.  Nor is my instinct to believe he forgot to submit that.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:

    Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,394
    edited August 2021
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:

    Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
    that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.

    cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.

    i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:

    Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
    that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.

    cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.

    i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
    I should have italicized what group I was referring to:

    But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.


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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,394
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:

    Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
    that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.

    cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.

    i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
    I should have italicized what group I was referring to:

    But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.


    those things do not make people ignorant.

    these people are listening to the government when it comes to getting assistance with food and how to prolong the process of being evicted. what is the common theme of them refusing vaccines? it is because they are in red states.

    they trust the government enough when it comes to assistance, but can't trust it when it comes to the most important function of public safety.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,458
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:

    Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
    that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.

    cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.

    i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
    I should have italicized what group I was referring to:

    But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.


    I'm a bit baffled about the eviction risk mention though because there has been a moratorium f.o.r.e.v.e.r. The government has propped up a few of these basic needs for months. The low income isn't going to change though, but if you have kids under 18 you received a lot of money last year to help supplement some of issues that may be associated to missing work for the shots and recovery. I'm sure there are asshole employers out there who won't allow the time off, but it can't be that big of a number.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:

    Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
    that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.

    cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.

    i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
    I should have italicized what group I was referring to:

    But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.


    those things do not make people ignorant.

    these people are listening to the government when it comes to getting assistance with food and how to prolong the process of being evicted. what is the common theme of them refusing vaccines? it is because they are in red states.

    they trust the government enough when it comes to assistance, but can't trust it when it comes to the most important function of public safety.
    We seem to be on different planes here with the point: there is a subset of people that cannot get the vaccine because of ACCESS because of the variables mentioned above, not because they don't want to. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    tbergs said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    curmudgeoness said:
    Hey everyone:

    If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.



    excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:

    Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
    that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.

    cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.

    i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
    I should have italicized what group I was referring to:

    But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.


    I'm a bit baffled about the eviction risk mention though because there has been a moratorium f.o.r.e.v.e.r. The government has propped up a few of these basic needs for months. The low income isn't going to change though, but if you have kids under 18 you received a lot of money last year to help supplement some of issues that may be associated to missing work for the shots and recovery. I'm sure there are asshole employers out there who won't allow the time off, but it can't be that big of a number.
    this reminds me of republicans contending that marginalized communities "could vote if they really wanted to". 
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    That's how I feel about cancer.  I mean...why are we even trying to treat it, let alone cure it?  Makes no sense.  Can't live forever. 
  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,341
    edited August 2021
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 
    This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans,  nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom.  It's total crap.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 

    How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve? 

    https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/





  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 
    This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans,  nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom.  It's total crap.
    who said anything about "traditional" republicans? or republicans being consistent? lol
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 
    This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans,  nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom.  It's total crap.
    who said anything about "traditional" republicans? or republicans being consistent? lol
    Then it's not being for personal freedom.  That's a ruse.  It means they are either against vaccines or against Democrats (or likely against D's therefore against vaccines).
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mrussel1 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 
    This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans,  nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom.  It's total crap.
    who said anything about "traditional" republicans? or republicans being consistent? lol
    Then it's not being for personal freedom.  That's a ruse.  It means they are either against vaccines or against Democrats (or likely against D's therefore against vaccines).
    1000%


    They want to see the vaccine's fail.

    If they succeed, it's a win for the Biden administration & America doing well under a democrat president is the absolute worst case scenario for republicans at this point. 



    There's a reason why republicans haven't reprimanded / spoken out against MTG: she's good for their bottom line, which is undermining the opposition party. (AKA owning libs)
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,870
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 

    How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve? 

    https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/






    Not allowing people the personal freedom to kill themselves, others, and perpetuate terrible behavior by getting fucking hammered and driving home without a damn mask on.
    What is the world coming to!

    People fought for my right to get smashed without a mask on and drive home! 
    Land of the free and home of the brave.  Yeah, right!

    :lol:  
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 

    How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve? 

    https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/






    Not allowing people the personal freedom to kill themselves, others, and perpetuate terrible behavior by getting fucking hammered and driving home without a damn mask on.
    What is the world coming to!

    People fought for my right to get smashed without a mask on and drive home! 
    Land of the free and home of the brave.  Yeah, right!

    :lol:  
    Nothing screams conservative government like *checks notes* regulating the shit out of private business. 
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,870
    Merkin Baller said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    JeBurkhardt said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge. 

    Also: 



    I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.
    I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's. 

    How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve? 

    https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/






    Not allowing people the personal freedom to kill themselves, others, and perpetuate terrible behavior by getting fucking hammered and driving home without a damn mask on.
    What is the world coming to!

    People fought for my right to get smashed without a mask on and drive home! 
    Land of the free and home of the brave.  Yeah, right!

    :lol:  
    Nothing screams conservative government like *checks notes* regulating the shit out of private business. 

    It is pretty funny, no doubt.
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