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Lindsay was absolutely blackmailed. There's no doubt in my mind.curmudgeoness said:mrussel1 said:
Here's the thing. I've watched Rand closely over the years, as I found him interesting when he was first elected as a senator. He seemed principled and was willing to buck traditional views on both sides of the aisle. But over the past decade, he's devolved into someone even worse than a known partisan. I've found him disingenuous, deceitful and just as prone to ridiculous, hyperbolic statements as anyone. He is no Justin Amash who appears to be a truly principled libertarian. So he gets no benefit of the doubt from me. His continued badgering of Fauci both in hearings and now in a criminal referral is repulsive. He's worse than any other senator on the Hill in that respect,HughFreakingDillon said:
I watched his "choose freedom" video and I misunderstood something he said about the vaccine.mrussel1 said:
Why do you think Rand got the vaccine? https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/rand-paul-says-he-won-t-get-covid-vaccine-n1268268HughFreakingDillon said:
He's been dismissive of the restrictions, not treatments. he got the vaccine. and he tells people to get it if they want it.mrussel1 said:
No, just him in this case. It's too convenient. The money is immaterial but it's embarrassing for him to be invested in a covid treatment when he's been so vocally dismissive of the pandemic and any mitigation efforts .. all of them.HughFreakingDillon said:ok, I guess if someone is a dick that means every word out of their mouths is a lie. interesting take.
look, I've been thinking about the republican end of this. while i find it abhorrent that R governors are opening things up when it's the absolute worst time to do so, I do understand their line of thinking: "the vaccine is available country-wide, people have had the opportunity to get the shot or not, and we can't wait anymore". Let me be crystal clear: I find this stance unconscionable, but it's consistent with R ideology: individual freedom or death.There's seems to be something that happened when he, Lindsey Graham, and others went golfing with TFG. It can't be that the golf was soooo awesome (we all know TFG cheats at golf). My assumption has been blackmail of some sort, but I suppose that belongs in another thread.I have no love for Rand Paul at this point, either. However, given that his wife lost money on the deal and knowing full well that things like this *can* happen, I'm not inclined to get agitated about this story. I WOULD like people to remember how certain senators were briefed on the coronavirus early last year and then sprinted to call their brokers and money managers before doing a damn thing on the public health front. That's worth remembering.
For Rand, I'm not agitated, but I'm not surprised either. Nor is my instinct to believe he forgot to submit that.0 -
excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:curmudgeoness said:Hey everyone:If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.
Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
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that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.HughFreakingDillon said:
excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:curmudgeoness said:Hey everyone:If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.
Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.
i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I should have italicized what group I was referring to:gimmesometruth27 said:
that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.HughFreakingDillon said:
excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:curmudgeoness said:Hey everyone:If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.
Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.
i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.
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those things do not make people ignorant.HughFreakingDillon said:
I should have italicized what group I was referring to:gimmesometruth27 said:
that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.HughFreakingDillon said:
excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:curmudgeoness said:Hey everyone:If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.
Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.
i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.
these people are listening to the government when it comes to getting assistance with food and how to prolong the process of being evicted. what is the common theme of them refusing vaccines? it is because they are in red states.
they trust the government enough when it comes to assistance, but can't trust it when it comes to the most important function of public safety."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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I'm a bit baffled about the eviction risk mention though because there has been a moratorium f.o.r.e.v.e.r. The government has propped up a few of these basic needs for months. The low income isn't going to change though, but if you have kids under 18 you received a lot of money last year to help supplement some of issues that may be associated to missing work for the shots and recovery. I'm sure there are asshole employers out there who won't allow the time off, but it can't be that big of a number.HughFreakingDillon said:
I should have italicized what group I was referring to:gimmesometruth27 said:
that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.HughFreakingDillon said:
excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:curmudgeoness said:Hey everyone:If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.
Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.
i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.It's a hopeless situation...0 -
We seem to be on different planes here with the point: there is a subset of people that cannot get the vaccine because of ACCESS because of the variables mentioned above, not because they don't want to.gimmesometruth27 said:
those things do not make people ignorant.HughFreakingDillon said:
I should have italicized what group I was referring to:gimmesometruth27 said:
that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.HughFreakingDillon said:
excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:curmudgeoness said:Hey everyone:If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.
Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.
i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.
these people are listening to the government when it comes to getting assistance with food and how to prolong the process of being evicted. what is the common theme of them refusing vaccines? it is because they are in red states.
they trust the government enough when it comes to assistance, but can't trust it when it comes to the most important function of public safety.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
this reminds me of republicans contending that marginalized communities "could vote if they really wanted to".tbergs said:
I'm a bit baffled about the eviction risk mention though because there has been a moratorium f.o.r.e.v.e.r. The government has propped up a few of these basic needs for months. The low income isn't going to change though, but if you have kids under 18 you received a lot of money last year to help supplement some of issues that may be associated to missing work for the shots and recovery. I'm sure there are asshole employers out there who won't allow the time off, but it can't be that big of a number.HughFreakingDillon said:
I should have italicized what group I was referring to:gimmesometruth27 said:
that is all well and good, but these are the exact same people who will not mask up and also accost those of us that do, and sue politicians that try to implement basic public safety protocols.HughFreakingDillon said:
excellent article. and also underlines one of the points I made before that some dismissed:curmudgeoness said:Hey everyone:If you haven't been following Ed Yong's writing on the pandemic, you should. He won a Pulitzer for good reason -- thoroughly researched, clearly and thoughtfully-written reporting. He has a new piece up today on The Atlantic that offers, IMO, great coverage of where we are, where we're going, and how delta changed everything. It should NOT be paywalled.
Finally, the U.S. simply needs more time to reach unvaccinated people. This group is often wrongly portrayed as a monolithic bunch of stubborn anti-vaxxers who have made their choice. But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes. It includes people who still have concerns about safety and are waiting on the FDA’s full approval, people who come from marginalized communities and have reasonable skepticism about the medical establishment, and people who have neither the time to get their shots nor the leave to recover from side effects.
cdc has been advocating for masks for 17 months and vaccines for about 8 months. these people are not even doing the bare minimum to protect themselves. let alone other people.
i would bet almost anything that even when cdc approves the vaccines, there will be fewer than expected people rushing out to get them. that is how many stubborn, selfish, americans are. you can come to their house and offer to give them the vaccine and they would tell you to get off of their property.
But in addition to young children, it includes people with food insecurity, eviction risk, and low incomes.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:
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That's how I feel about cancer. I mean...why are we even trying to treat it, let alone cure it? Makes no sense. Can't live forever.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:0 -
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:0 -
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans, nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom. It's total crap.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:
How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve?
https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/
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who said anything about "traditional" republicans? or republicans being consistent? lolmrussel1 said:
This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans, nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom. It's total crap.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Then it's not being for personal freedom. That's a ruse. It means they are either against vaccines or against Democrats (or likely against D's therefore against vaccines).HughFreakingDillon said:
who said anything about "traditional" republicans? or republicans being consistent? lolmrussel1 said:
This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans, nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom. It's total crap.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:0 -
1000%mrussel1 said:
Then it's not being for personal freedom. That's a ruse. It means they are either against vaccines or against Democrats (or likely against D's therefore against vaccines).HughFreakingDillon said:
who said anything about "traditional" republicans? or republicans being consistent? lolmrussel1 said:
This isn't the traditional stance of Republicans, nor is their stance on gay rights consistent with personal freedom. It's total crap.HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:
They want to see the vaccine's fail.
If they succeed, it's a win for the Biden administration & America doing well under a democrat president is the absolute worst case scenario for republicans at this point.
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Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:
How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve?
https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/Not allowing people the personal freedom to kill themselves, others, and perpetuate terrible behavior by getting fucking hammered and driving home without a damn mask on.What is the world coming to!People fought for my right to get smashed without a mask on and drive home!Land of the free and home of the brave. Yeah, right!
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Nothing screams conservative government like *checks notes* regulating the shit out of private business.F Me In The Brain said:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:
How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve?
https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/Not allowing people the personal freedom to kill themselves, others, and perpetuate terrible behavior by getting fucking hammered and driving home without a damn mask on.What is the world coming to!People fought for my right to get smashed without a mask on and drive home!Land of the free and home of the brave. Yeah, right! 0 -
Merkin Baller said:
Nothing screams conservative government like *checks notes* regulating the shit out of private business.F Me In The Brain said:Merkin Baller said:HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't think it's either. breaking it down to its most basic, far right Republicans are for personal freedom over everything (liberty or death), Democrats are for the collective good. This falls in line exactly how one would expect for far right R's.JeBurkhardt said:
I have pretty much thought of her as a fanatical lunatic, now I am thinking she might be more evil than crazy.Merkin Baller said:Weird how people blame republicans for the current surge.Also:
How about a state law from a republican legislature restricting private business' right to choose who they do & don't want to serve?
https://www.austin360.com/story/entertainment/dining/restaurant-reviews/2021/08/10/launderette-fresas-vaccines/5555249001/Not allowing people the personal freedom to kill themselves, others, and perpetuate terrible behavior by getting fucking hammered and driving home without a damn mask on.What is the world coming to!People fought for my right to get smashed without a mask on and drive home!Land of the free and home of the brave. Yeah, right!
It is pretty funny, no doubt.
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