Viruses / Vaccines

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

CM189191 said:

Out of curiosity, do you think a 100% vaccinated US means the pandemic is over? If so, you might want to hang on to some of those fuck you’s. I support the vaccine and encouraging others to protect themselves, but I see zero value in this approach.

I think we need to clarify what "pandemic is over" means. It does NOT mean covid is eradicated. It simply means it is no longer a global health crisis, crippling our health care systems. in that case, yes, 100% vaccinated would mean the pandemic is over. 

The US makes up 4% of the global population. The social media click bait that was posted addressed only Americans. That is not very sound reasoning if you ask me. The other 7 billion+ people we share this planet with play a part in the pandemic, as well.

I agree with that. But what was posted was addressing vaccine hesitancy-which we don't know if we'll see in other countries, developing countries, because they simply don't have access to them yet to determine that. 

I highly doubt CM believes that 100% vaccinated US means pandemic is over, by the way. Since there's no fox news in india, I'd imagine once they have real access, they won't have this same problem. 

I feel like religious beliefs alone will pay a big factor in vaccine hesitancy worldwide.

why? it doesn't seem to be about religious beliefs here. it's some dumbed down idea of freedom and mistrust in science perpetuated by conservatives. I think the fact it's on the right that coincides with religious people is just a coincidence. sure, there's the kooks who think god will protect them, but I honestly think that's a small, vocal minority. 

PJPOWER said:

FiveBelow said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

FiveBelow said:

CM189191 said:

Out of curiosity, do you think a 100% vaccinated US means the pandemic is over? If so, you might want to hang on to some of those fuck you’s. I support the vaccine and encouraging others to protect themselves, but I see zero value in this approach.

I think we need to clarify what "pandemic is over" means. It does NOT mean covid is eradicated. It simply means it is no longer a global health crisis, crippling our health care systems. in that case, yes, 100% vaccinated would mean the pandemic is over. 

The US makes up 4% of the global population. The social media click bait that was posted addressed only Americans. That is not very sound reasoning if you ask me. The other 7 billion+ people we share this planet with play a part in the pandemic, as well.

I agree with that. But what was posted was addressing vaccine hesitancy-which we don't know if we'll see in other countries, developing countries, because they simply don't have access to them yet to determine that. 

I highly doubt CM believes that 100% vaccinated US means pandemic is over, by the way. Since there's no fox news in india, I'd imagine once they have real access, they won't have this same problem. 

I feel like religious beliefs alone will pay a big factor in vaccine hesitancy worldwide.

why? it doesn't seem to be about religious beliefs here. it's some dumbed down idea of freedom and mistrust in science perpetuated by conservatives. I think the fact it's on the right that coincides with religious people is just a coincidence. sure, there's the kooks who think god will protect them, but I honestly think that's a small, vocal minority. 

Just a hunch. Based on information within the local medical community, the most common reasoning for vaccine refusal among staff was religious exemptions. Given the diversity typically found within the medical community, I do not think hesitancy will only be unique to americans.

To play the devil’s advocate, what other reasons can they use to refuse the vaccine?  There is no “political exemption”, or “my hillbilly friend said” exemption,

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

People here are refusing  due to fears of what the vaccine  will do to you. 
Its not political or religious here at all from what ive seen. 

But there's a correlation here.  It's no coincidence that the hesitancy is rooted in the Republican party and that's also the party that is more religious and less educated.  It doesn't mean that ONLY Republicans, but there is a correlation.  

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

People here are refusing  due to fears of what the vaccine  will do to you. 
Its not political or religious here at all from what ive seen. 

But there's a correlation here.  It's no coincidence that the hesitancy is rooted in the Republican party and that's also the party that is more religious and less educated.  It doesn't mean that ONLY Republicans, but there is a correlation.  

By demographic (though the data is incomplete), the least vaccinated group in America are black people. So you're right that it's not ONLY Republicans, but it might not be MAINLY Republicans either, going off the assumption that there's more black Democrats than there are black Republicans. 

"Black Americans are the least vaccinated demographic group, according to the Centers for Disease Control, which estimates that 25% of the Black population in the US is fully vaccinated. Of the US population that is fully vaccinated, only 9% are Black. However, this data is incomplete -- the CDC reports that race and ethnicity data is available for 68% of people who are fully vaccinated."

"The difference between life and death" Community leaders boost efforts to reach unvaccinated Black Americans amid Delta spike - CNN

oftenreading said:

True religious exemptions should be vanishingly rare, since none of the major world religions are anti-vaccination. Christian Scientists (and what a misnomer that is) believe only in healing by prayer, and some small Christian evangelical churches believe only in faith healing, but that’s about it. Even religious cultural groups like the Amish aren’t anti-vaccination in their basic teachings, though some sects may go that way. The use of “religious exemption” is basically a cloak for personal beliefs, which can be swayed by a number of factors beyond religion. 

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

People here are refusing  due to fears of what the vaccine  will do to you. 
Its not political or religious here at all from what ive seen. 

But there's a correlation here.  It's no coincidence that the hesitancy is rooted in the Republican party and that's also the party that is more religious and less educated.  It doesn't mean that ONLY Republicans, but there is a correlation.  

By demographic (though the data is incomplete), the least vaccinated group in America are black people. So you're right that it's not ONLY Republicans, but it might not be MAINLY Republicans either, going off the assumption that there's more black Democrats than there are black Republicans. 

"Black Americans are the least vaccinated demographic group, according to the Centers for Disease Control, which estimates that 25% of the Black population in the US is fully vaccinated. Of the US population that is fully vaccinated, only 9% are Black. However, this data is incomplete -- the CDC reports that race and ethnicity data is available for 68% of people who are fully vaccinated."

"The difference between life and death" Community leaders boost efforts to reach unvaccinated Black Americans amid Delta spike - CNN

Blacks make up only 14% of the population.  So while it is true that by demographic they are the least, there are more white Americans unvaxxed than black ones.  And the hesitancy is rooted in the GOP, not the D's.  https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/majorities-support-vaccine-mask-mandates-republicans-503506

I understand that there are way less black people in the country so of course there's more unvaccinated white people. But I also don't think that the 75% of black people that are unvaccinated are unvaccinated because they're being influenced by the GOP or Fox News pushing hesitancy. So why aren't they getting vaccinated? They're (for the most part) not of the party that is "more religious and less educated." The majority of registered black voters are democrats, and the democrats have been pushing the vaccine. So why aren't they getting it?

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

People here are refusing  due to fears of what the vaccine  will do to you. 
Its not political or religious here at all from what ive seen. 

But there's a correlation here.  It's no coincidence that the hesitancy is rooted in the Republican party and that's also the party that is more religious and less educated.  It doesn't mean that ONLY Republicans, but there is a correlation.  

By demographic (though the data is incomplete), the least vaccinated group in America are black people. So you're right that it's not ONLY Republicans, but it might not be MAINLY Republicans either, going off the assumption that there's more black Democrats than there are black Republicans. 

"Black Americans are the least vaccinated demographic group, according to the Centers for Disease Control, which estimates that 25% of the Black population in the US is fully vaccinated. Of the US population that is fully vaccinated, only 9% are Black. However, this data is incomplete -- the CDC reports that race and ethnicity data is available for 68% of people who are fully vaccinated."

"The difference between life and death" Community leaders boost efforts to reach unvaccinated Black Americans amid Delta spike - CNN

Blacks make up only 14% of the population.  So while it is true that by demographic they are the least, there are more white Americans unvaxxed than black ones.  And the hesitancy is rooted in the GOP, not the D's.  https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/majorities-support-vaccine-mask-mandates-republicans-503506

I understand that there are way less black people in the country so of course there's more unvaccinated white people. But I also don't think that the 75% of black people that are unvaccinated are unvaccinated because they're being influenced by the GOP or Fox News pushing hesitancy. So why aren't they getting vaccinated? They're (for the most part) not of the party that is "more religious and less educated." The majority of registered black voters are democrats, and the democrats have been pushing the vaccine. So why aren't they getting it?

Because the Gov't has done a bang up job helping them all these years.  That's why.

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

People here are refusing  due to fears of what the vaccine  will do to you. 
Its not political or religious here at all from what ive seen. 

But there's a correlation here.  It's no coincidence that the hesitancy is rooted in the Republican party and that's also the party that is more religious and less educated.  It doesn't mean that ONLY Republicans, but there is a correlation.  

By demographic (though the data is incomplete), the least vaccinated group in America are black people. So you're right that it's not ONLY Republicans, but it might not be MAINLY Republicans either, going off the assumption that there's more black Democrats than there are black Republicans. 

"Black Americans are the least vaccinated demographic group, according to the Centers for Disease Control, which estimates that 25% of the Black population in the US is fully vaccinated. Of the US population that is fully vaccinated, only 9% are Black. However, this data is incomplete -- the CDC reports that race and ethnicity data is available for 68% of people who are fully vaccinated."

"The difference between life and death" Community leaders boost efforts to reach unvaccinated Black Americans amid Delta spike - CNN

Blacks make up only 14% of the population.  So while it is true that by demographic they are the least, there are more white Americans unvaxxed than black ones.  And the hesitancy is rooted in the GOP, not the D's.  https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/majorities-support-vaccine-mask-mandates-republicans-503506

I understand that there are way less black people in the country so of course there's more unvaccinated white people. But I also don't think that the 75% of black people that are unvaccinated are unvaccinated because they're being influenced by the GOP or Fox News pushing hesitancy. So why aren't they getting vaccinated? They're (for the most part) not of the party that is "more religious and less educated." The majority of registered black voters are democrats, and the democrats have been pushing the vaccine. So why aren't they getting it?

My overall point is that it's not just white Trump-lovers that are refusing the vaccine. Yet it seems as if they're the only ones getting ridiculed and criticized for not believing in science. 

I'm not claiming it's a monolith or there's one answer.  But you cannot deny the other data that shows vaccine hesitancy is far more prevalent in the Republican party than the Democratic party. There's also a very strong contingent of anti-vax highly liberal people in Oregon, CA, etc.  The 'what about Black people" defense that I keep hearing from the right wing (not saying you) in no way excuses the appalling talking points from influential right wing media and politicians.  

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

lastexitlondon said:

People here are refusing  due to fears of what the vaccine  will do to you. 
Its not political or religious here at all from what ive seen. 

But there's a correlation here.  It's no coincidence that the hesitancy is rooted in the Republican party and that's also the party that is more religious and less educated.  It doesn't mean that ONLY Republicans, but there is a correlation.  

By demographic (though the data is incomplete), the least vaccinated group in America are black people. So you're right that it's not ONLY Republicans, but it might not be MAINLY Republicans either, going off the assumption that there's more black Democrats than there are black Republicans. 

"Black Americans are the least vaccinated demographic group, according to the Centers for Disease Control, which estimates that 25% of the Black population in the US is fully vaccinated. Of the US population that is fully vaccinated, only 9% are Black. However, this data is incomplete -- the CDC reports that race and ethnicity data is available for 68% of people who are fully vaccinated."

"The difference between life and death" Community leaders boost efforts to reach unvaccinated Black Americans amid Delta spike - CNN

Blacks make up only 14% of the population.  So while it is true that by demographic they are the least, there are more white Americans unvaxxed than black ones.  And the hesitancy is rooted in the GOP, not the D's.  https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/11/majorities-support-vaccine-mask-mandates-republicans-503506

I understand that there are way less black people in the country so of course there's more unvaccinated white people. But I also don't think that the 75% of black people that are unvaccinated are unvaccinated because they're being influenced by the GOP or Fox News pushing hesitancy. So why aren't they getting vaccinated? They're (for the most part) not of the party that is "more religious and less educated." The majority of registered black voters are democrats, and the democrats have been pushing the vaccine. So why aren't they getting it?

Because the Gov't has done a bang up job helping them all these years.  That's why.

I see. So they don't trust the government. So people that don't trust the government have a good excuse not to get the vaccine. Excuse me, I mean black people that don't trust the government have a good excuse to get the vaccine. Because if not trusting the government was a white person's reason to not get it, he'd be a selfish anti-science anti-vaxxer that is putting other people's lives at risk. 

It's a bit different.  Black people were used as guinea pigs in experiments during parts of the 20th century.  So there's a culture of mistrust there that has some grounding.  However, I don't put a ton of credibility in this argument since white people are getting this.  It would be far more understandable if only Black people were being pushed to be vaccinated. 

As Michael Irvin aptly said "Man, if the gov't wanted you dead, you'd be dead by now.".