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  • it should be fucking illegal for a judge to be allowed to tell a doctor how to treat a patient. just ludicrous. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,624
    edited August 2021
    it should be fucking illegal for a judge to be allowed to tell a doctor how to treat a patient. just ludicrous. 

    the prescribing doctor is part of a group promoting this bullshit. it was the hospital that balked at the prescription...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    it should be fucking illegal for a judge to be allowed to tell a doctor how to treat a patient. just ludicrous. 
    88,000 prescription requests per week. Can’t fix stupid. ^^^^^^ Like most things, follow the money. Suckers Hmmmmm, free vaccine or out of pocket for a livestock drug? If health plans are covering livestock drugs I might just get me a horse and a cow, by golly.
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  • I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,146
    it should be fucking illegal for a judge to be allowed to tell a doctor how to treat a patient. just ludicrous. 
    88,000 prescription requests per week. Can’t fix stupid. ^^^^^^ Like most things, follow the money. Suckers Hmmmmm, free vaccine or out of pocket for a livestock drug? If health plans are covering livestock drugs I might just get me a horse and a cow, by golly.
    File this under "if you don't laugh, you'll cry."
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  • I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
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  • I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
    yeah, both are true. the people claiming it treats covid AND those making it sound like people are ingesting medicine that is for animals exclusively. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,454
    edited August 2021



    Will it have been worth it to have owned libs? 

    Possibly. 



  • Will it have been worth it to have owned libs? 

    Possibly. 
    many of them will likely grow up rejecting and/or blaming science
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2021
    I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
    yeah, both are true. the people claiming it treats covid AND those making it sound like people are ingesting medicine that is for animals exclusively. 
    Exactly, the media outlets claiming ivermectin is only for horses are wrong, as are those saying it’s the cure for COVID.  The fact is, no one is 100% sure.  There have been some studies showing that ivermectin may be helpful due to antiviral and anti inflammation effects, but does that mean it’s a safe treatment?  Also, yes, it is used as a horse dewormer, but does that mean it is a veterinarian-only use medication?  
    I think more research should be done to rule it out or give it the go-ahead as a possible treatment.  
    Those that are actually going to the vet and dosing themselves are idiots, though.  
    Funny thing…I know a few potheads that swear their weed is the cure…should they be lumped in with the same idiots?  
    We’ll know in a few years after long term trials I suppose :)
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,677
    PJPOWER said:
    I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
    yeah, both are true. the people claiming it treats covid AND those making it sound like people are ingesting medicine that is for animals exclusively. 
    Exactly, the media outlets claiming ivermectin is only for horses are wrong, as are those saying it’s the cure for COVID.  The fact is, no one is 100% sure.  There have been some studies showing that ivermectin may be helpful due to antiviral and anti inflammation effects, but does that mean it’s a safe treatment?  Also, yes, it is used as a horse dewormer, but does that mean it is a veterinarian-only use medication?  
    I think more research should be done to rule it out or give it the go-ahead as a possible treatment.  
    Those that are actually going to the vet and dosing themselves are idiots, though.  
    Funny thing…I know a few potheads that swear their weed is the cure…should they be lumped in with the same idiots?  
    We’ll know in a few years after long term trials I suppose :)
    Yeah, those potheads are idiots.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    Well, bleach and water can sanitize your hands and kill ecoli and salmonella. Might as well inject it.

    https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    PJPOWER said:
    I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
    yeah, both are true. the people claiming it treats covid AND those making it sound like people are ingesting medicine that is for animals exclusively. 
    Exactly, the media outlets claiming ivermectin is only for horses are wrong, as are those saying it’s the cure for COVID.  The fact is, no one is 100% sure.  There have been some studies showing that ivermectin may be helpful due to antiviral and anti inflammation effects, but does that mean it’s a safe treatment?  Also, yes, it is used as a horse dewormer, but does that mean it is a veterinarian-only use medication?  
    I think more research should be done to rule it out or give it the go-ahead as a possible treatment.  
    Those that are actually going to the vet and dosing themselves are idiots, though.  
    Funny thing…I know a few potheads that swear their weed is the cure…should they be lumped in with the same idiots?  
    We’ll know in a few years after long term trials I suppose :)

    "'He was so hard-headed,' Jessica [his wife] said. "'He didn't want to see a doctor, because he didn't want to be part of the statistics with COVID tests.'

    "'Caleb instead began taking tablets of ivermectin (an anti-parasitic medicine the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has since urged people not to take for COVID-19), high doses of Vitamin C, zinc aspirin, and an inhaler. By July 30, however, Caleb was taken by a relative to the emergency room at Shannon Medical Center.'"

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,677
    Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea. 

    Not seeing much about it being an anti-viral in there.  I do shoot insulin to help treat my high blood pressure.  I'm not dead, so it must be working. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,146
    To be fair to the woman that sued the hospital, I suppose desperate times for call desperate measures. It looks like her husband is on his last legs and she's throwing up a hail mary. Whether it's responsible for the doctor to prescribe it (he did) is another question.

    But there's a huge uptick in calls to poison control. People are having sypmptoms such as blindness in the morning. And they won't get vaccinated? And let's not pretend Ivermectin isn't owned by a big corporation. They're eschewing big Pharma in favor of big Farma.

    What's even behind these cures/antidotes? It used to be Hydrochloruqine (or whatever) and now it's 
    Ivermectin. Is it some weird GOP or Q conspiracy to make it look like Science/Doctors/Dems/Libs are all trying to keep the pandemic going by hiding cures? Or is that just the power of internet rumor mills? Maybe I could share with my 75 Twitter followers that a drink of one party Coke, two-parts OJ, and 4 parts goat urine will cure Covid and a couple months from now, everyone with goats is getting rich selling urine?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    OnWis97 said:
    To be fair to the woman that sued the hospital, I suppose desperate times for call desperate measures. It looks like her husband is on his last legs and she's throwing up a hail mary. Whether it's responsible for the doctor to prescribe it (he did) is another question.

    But there's a huge uptick in calls to poison control. People are having sypmptoms such as blindness in the morning. And they won't get vaccinated? And let's not pretend Ivermectin isn't owned by a big corporation. They're eschewing big Pharma in favor of big Farma.

    What's even behind these cures/antidotes? It used to be Hydrochloruqine (or whatever) and now it's Ivermectin. Is it some weird GOP or Q conspiracy to make it look like Science/Doctors/Dems/Libs are all trying to keep the pandemic going by hiding cures? Or is that just the power of internet rumor mills? Maybe I could share with my 75 Twitter followers that a drink of one party Coke, two-parts OJ, and 4 parts goat urine will cure Covid and a couple months from now, everyone with goats is getting rich selling urine?
    Follow the money.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,454

    I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
    yeah, both are true. the people claiming it treats covid AND those making it sound like people are ingesting medicine that is for animals exclusively. 
    I get your point, but If you're buying it at a feed store though... you're buying and ingesting medicine that is intended for animals.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,146
    OnWis97 said:

    What's even behind these cures/antidotes? It used to be Hydrochloruqine (or whatever) and now it's Ivermectin. Is it some weird GOP or Q conspiracy to make it look like Science/Doctors/Dems/Libs are all trying to keep the pandemic going by hiding cures? Or is that just the power of internet rumor mills? Maybe I could share with my 75 Twitter followers that a drink of one party Coke, two-parts OJ, and 4 parts goat urine will cure Covid and a couple months from now, everyone with goats is getting rich selling urine?
    Looks like a politically compromised "doctor" has answered my question...

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,059
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:

    What's even behind these cures/antidotes? It used to be Hydrochloruqine (or whatever) and now it's Ivermectin. Is it some weird GOP or Q conspiracy to make it look like Science/Doctors/Dems/Libs are all trying to keep the pandemic going by hiding cures? Or is that just the power of internet rumor mills? Maybe I could share with my 75 Twitter followers that a drink of one party Coke, two-parts OJ, and 4 parts goat urine will cure Covid and a couple months from now, everyone with goats is getting rich selling urine?
    Looks like a politically compromised "doctor" has answered my question...

    https://thehill.com/homenews/569975-rand-paul-hatred-for-trump-blocking-research-into-ivermectin
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea. 

    Not seeing much about it being an anti-viral in there.  I do shoot insulin to help treat my high blood pressure.  I'm not dead, so it must be working. 
    There are some studies out there that seem to suggest antiviral and anti inflammatory properties, but I think those got way hyped, and the jury is out as to whether or not people could benefit from that.  I, for one, see no harm in other avenues for treatment being explored by researchers (since it appears the virus is going to be with us for a loooong time).  Do not misconstrue that to mean I think people should be taking it without the research being more conclusive or on their own accord… 
    The below article sums up things pretty well:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/08/ivermectin-covid-drug/

    Here is a the part that does annoy me to no end:
    “But the United States has lagged behind in conducting such trials because of the fragmentation of the health-care system and the lack of financial incentive for pharmaceutical companies to continue to do research on old, cheap drugs.”
    To play the devil’s advocate, for the “but it’s for horses” crowd… Warfarin is a drug that was initially created as rat poison and is now readily used as an anticoagulant in humans :)
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  • I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
    yeah, both are true. the people claiming it treats covid AND those making it sound like people are ingesting medicine that is for animals exclusively. 
    I get your point, but If you're buying it at a feed store though... you're buying and ingesting medicine that is intended for animals.  
    agree with that completely
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2021
    PJPOWER said:
    I think we all know by now that, while it makes for a good laugh, it's not just a livestock drug. it's used in humans all the time to treat parasites. But people are taking it in the wrong doses, because they are buying it without an Rx. 
    There is no body of scientific research that proves it prevents or cures covid. All that screeching about not trusting vaccines but promoting this drug for this virus is madness. Or stupidity. Or both.
    I know that. But I'm just saying people calling it "horse medicine" are being misleading. that's all I mean. 
    If you have head lice or scabies, sure. Not COVID. People claiming it can treat or prevent covid is what is misleading.
    yeah, both are true. the people claiming it treats covid AND those making it sound like people are ingesting medicine that is for animals exclusively. 
    Exactly, the media outlets claiming ivermectin is only for horses are wrong, as are those saying it’s the cure for COVID.  The fact is, no one is 100% sure.  There have been some studies showing that ivermectin may be helpful due to antiviral and anti inflammation effects, but does that mean it’s a safe treatment?  Also, yes, it is used as a horse dewormer, but does that mean it is a veterinarian-only use medication?  
    I think more research should be done to rule it out or give it the go-ahead as a possible treatment.  
    Those that are actually going to the vet and dosing themselves are idiots, though.  
    Funny thing…I know a few potheads that swear their weed is the cure…should they be lumped in with the same idiots?  
    We’ll know in a few years after long term trials I suppose :)

    "'He was so hard-headed,' Jessica [his wife] said. "'He didn't want to see a doctor, because he didn't want to be part of the statistics with COVID tests.'

    "'Caleb instead began taking tablets of ivermectin (an anti-parasitic medicine the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has since urged people not to take for COVID-19), high doses of Vitamin C, zinc aspirin, and an inhaler. By July 30, however, Caleb was taken by a relative to the emergency room at Shannon Medical Center.'"

    Well that’s just idiotic…don’t know what you’re digging for or what your point is based on what I said, though.  
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,677
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea. 

    Not seeing much about it being an anti-viral in there.  I do shoot insulin to help treat my high blood pressure.  I'm not dead, so it must be working. 
    There are some studies out there that seem to suggest antiviral and anti inflammatory properties, but I think those got way hyped, and the jury is out as to whether or not people could benefit from that.  I, for one, see no harm in other avenues for treatment being explored by researchers (since it appears the virus is going to be with us for a loooong time).  Do not misconstrue that to mean I think people should be taking it without the research being more conclusive or on their own accord… 
    The below article sums up things pretty well:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/08/ivermectin-covid-drug/

    Here is a the part that does annoy me to no end:
    “But the United States has lagged behind in conducting such trials because of the fragmentation of the health-care system and the lack of financial incentive for pharmaceutical companies to continue to do research on old, cheap drugs.”
    To play the devil’s advocate, for the “but it’s for horses” crowd… Warfarin is a drug that was initially created as rat poison and is now readily used as an anticoagulant in humans :)
    Yeah sure, let's do more research.  No arguments.  It's the self medicating idiots that are... idiots. 
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Ivermectin tablets are approved by the FDA to treat people with intestinal strongyloidiasis and onchocerciasis, two conditions caused by parasitic worms. In addition, some topical (on the skin) forms of ivermectin are approved to treat external parasites like head lice and for skin conditions such as rosacea. 

    Not seeing much about it being an anti-viral in there.  I do shoot insulin to help treat my high blood pressure.  I'm not dead, so it must be working. 
    There are some studies out there that seem to suggest antiviral and anti inflammatory properties, but I think those got way hyped, and the jury is out as to whether or not people could benefit from that.  I, for one, see no harm in other avenues for treatment being explored by researchers (since it appears the virus is going to be with us for a loooong time).  Do not misconstrue that to mean I think people should be taking it without the research being more conclusive or on their own accord… 
    The below article sums up things pretty well:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/08/ivermectin-covid-drug/

    Here is a the part that does annoy me to no end:
    “But the United States has lagged behind in conducting such trials because of the fragmentation of the health-care system and the lack of financial incentive for pharmaceutical companies to continue to do research on old, cheap drugs.”
    To play the devil’s advocate, for the “but it’s for horses” crowd… Warfarin is a drug that was initially created as rat poison and is now readily used as an anticoagulant in humans :)
    Yeah sure, let's do more research.  No arguments.  It's the self medicating idiots that are... idiots. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:

    What's even behind these cures/antidotes? It used to be Hydrochloruqine (or whatever) and now it's Ivermectin. Is it some weird GOP or Q conspiracy to make it look like Science/Doctors/Dems/Libs are all trying to keep the pandemic going by hiding cures? Or is that just the power of internet rumor mills? Maybe I could share with my 75 Twitter followers that a drink of one party Coke, two-parts OJ, and 4 parts goat urine will cure Covid and a couple months from now, everyone with goats is getting rich selling urine?
    Looks like a politically compromised "doctor" has answered my question...

    https://thehill.com/homenews/569975-rand-paul-hatred-for-trump-blocking-research-into-ivermectin
    I prefer Rupaul to rand paul 


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