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Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/
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I do find it weird that the northern border is closed but the southern border is not. Definitely gives the right a lot of ammo.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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You don't need to be tested, you need a vaccine. And it doesn't prevent you from leaving your house, it's the opposite. It's about indoor public activities.tempo_n_groove said:
Read what is going on in NY right now. This could be the precedent. It's being mandated to be able to go to a gym, restaurant or movie theatre.mrussel1 said:
Under what precedent in US history or law?tempo_n_groove said:
I see that coming soon if you want to be able to leave your house.mrussel1 said:
Are the feds making you get tested under the force of law? No. That's why I'm not upset. I don't have to get tested. Quit being a victim.gvn2fly1421 said:
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.Meltdown99 said:Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
I'm not screaming Fahrenheit 451. Just putting it out there.0 -
What was the definition of “dis-information” or “mis-information” again? FauciOuchi?mickeyrat said:gvn2fly1421 said:dankind said:
I said "generally."mrussel1 said:
Someone got really rich off the statin I take. Therefore I'm not taking it anymore. That'll show 'em.gvn2fly1421 said:
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!dankind said:Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, *which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
But reactionaries gonna reactionary (*and of course, spread a little misinformation while they're at it).
Here I am getting accused of spreading misinformation, which oddly enough is the reason I got my timeout, or as I call it, my #FauciOuchie. It is so dangerous for people to judge what mis (or dis) information is. I define minsformation as information that goes against the narrative of "my" party and ultimately "The" party. Prove me wrong.HughFreakingDillon said:
show me your data that suggests asymptomatic spread is not a thing.gvn2fly1421 said:
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!dankind said:Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00059-4/fulltext
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210110/59-percent-of-covid-cases-stem-from-asymptomatic-spread
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851
Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much. Anyways, let's look at the data.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102
Results A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”June of 2020.think science knows a skosh bit more this year than last.
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Weird indeed. But on a follow up note:mcgruff10 said:I do find it weird that the northern border is closed but the southern border is not. Definitely gives the right a lot of ammo.5. Immigration
The Biden administration plans to indefinitely extend a Trump-era policy that allows the government to swiftly expel migrants encountered at the US-Mexico border. The Trump administration instituted the policy at the start of the pandemic, citing coronavirus concerns. But immigrant advocates and health experts argue it has no public health basis and instead puts migrants in harm's way. Tens of thousands of migrants continue to cross into the US each month, and officials say facilities are overwhelmed. Meanwhile, a government watchdog announced it is looking into a facility for unaccompanied migrant children at Fort Bliss in Texas following complaints that it felt more like a warehouse
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I said it could be precedent. You can under certain circumstances show that you were tested so therefore being forced to be tested.mrussel1 said:
You don't need to be tested, you need a vaccine. And it doesn't prevent you from leaving your house, it's the opposite. It's about indoor public activities.tempo_n_groove said:
Read what is going on in NY right now. This could be the precedent. It's being mandated to be able to go to a gym, restaurant or movie theatre.mrussel1 said:
Under what precedent in US history or law?tempo_n_groove said:
I see that coming soon if you want to be able to leave your house.mrussel1 said:
Are the feds making you get tested under the force of law? No. That's why I'm not upset. I don't have to get tested. Quit being a victim.gvn2fly1421 said:
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.Meltdown99 said:Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
I'm not screaming Fahrenheit 451. Just putting it out there.
if you have to show proof that you got the shot to go grocery shopping I would expect riots.
There will be more added to the list as more people in the city still won't get the shot.0 -
gvn2fly1421 said:
I think AOC knows a skosh bit more too... Check out the science at work here!mickeyrat said:gvn2fly1421 said:dankind said:
I said "generally."mrussel1 said:
Someone got really rich off the statin I take. Therefore I'm not taking it anymore. That'll show 'em.gvn2fly1421 said:
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!dankind said:Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, *which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
But reactionaries gonna reactionary (*and of course, spread a little misinformation while they're at it).
Here I am getting accused of spreading misinformation, which oddly enough is the reason I got my timeout, or as I call it, my #FauciOuchie. It is so dangerous for people to judge what mis (or dis) information is. I define minsformation as information that goes against the narrative of "my" party and ultimately "The" party. Prove me wrong.HughFreakingDillon said:
show me your data that suggests asymptomatic spread is not a thing.gvn2fly1421 said:
I totally disagree with this statement. All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test! If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!dankind said:Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.
So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.
Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms? Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.
Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US. Anyone know who?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00059-4/fulltext
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210110/59-percent-of-covid-cases-stem-from-asymptomatic-spread
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851
Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much. Anyways, let's look at the data.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w
Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102
Results A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”June of 2020.think science knows a skosh bit more this year than last.
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apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Huh?tempo_n_groove said:
I said it could be precedent. You can under certain circumstances show that you were tested so therefore being forced to be tested.mrussel1 said:
You don't need to be tested, you need a vaccine. And it doesn't prevent you from leaving your house, it's the opposite. It's about indoor public activities.tempo_n_groove said:
Read what is going on in NY right now. This could be the precedent. It's being mandated to be able to go to a gym, restaurant or movie theatre.mrussel1 said:
Under what precedent in US history or law?tempo_n_groove said:
I see that coming soon if you want to be able to leave your house.mrussel1 said:
Are the feds making you get tested under the force of law? No. That's why I'm not upset. I don't have to get tested. Quit being a victim.gvn2fly1421 said:
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.Meltdown99 said:Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
I'm not screaming Fahrenheit 451. Just putting it out there.
if you have to show proof that you got the shot to go grocery shopping I would expect riots.
There will be more added to the list as more people in the city still won't get the shot.0 -
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/The kicker is, it’s not just a Texas issue. I still believe a ticket straight to Washington for these unvaccinated immigrants is probably the best way to get the ball rolling. Maybe it’s time for Texas border towns to start buying loads of bus tickets to hand out. There is plenty of unused room on the White House lawn.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
the federal government SHOULD be concerned about the non vaccinated texan. they vaccine is there, free to get, convenient to get. texas is a hot spot for the virus already and nobody there gives a fuck. maybe the messaging should be that "you will get this from your fellow texan AND from the immigrants coming in, so pretty please with sugar on top, get the fucking vaccine."PJPOWER said:
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-may-offer-covid-vaccine-migrants-crossing-mexico-washington-post-2021-08-04/PJPOWER said:
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/
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That has been my message from the beginning…some people definitely “give a fuck”.gimmesometruth27 said:
the federal government SHOULD be concerned about the non vaccinated texan. they vaccine is there, free to get, convenient to get. texas is a hot spot for the virus already and nobody there gives a fuck. maybe the messaging should be that "you will get this from your fellow texan AND from the immigrants coming in, so pretty please with sugar on top, get the fucking vaccine."PJPOWER said:
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/0 -
I would go a step further and deny entry to anyone that refuses the vaccine.mrussel1 said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-may-offer-covid-vaccine-migrants-crossing-mexico-washington-post-2021-08-04/PJPOWER said:
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/0 -
Correct me if I'm wrong but when our ancestors passed through Ellis Island they were checked to see if they were sick and given whatever shots they needed before given the stamp of approval to head over to the main land. I wonder why this is not implemented on the Southern border; maybe because of the huge numbers of people trying to cross?mrussel1 said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-may-offer-covid-vaccine-migrants-crossing-mexico-washington-post-2021-08-04/PJPOWER said:
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/
We should be worried about unvaccinated Texans AND unvaccinated immigrants streaming across the border.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
That's the Russian way!mrussel1 said:
Why do you care? It's just a flu. The mortality rate is low and overstated. The vaccine doesn't work. We need herd immunity.gvn2fly1421 said:
Critical thinking...mrussel1 said:
Well the unemployment benefits are winding down, forebearance will be over soon and guess what, no one is forced to stay home and not work. So "Brostradamus" sounds like an idiot to me, but whatever dude. You've been so accurate and had such high level critical thinking, why wouldn't you gravitate towards someone called "Brostradamus".gvn2fly1421 said:
Sounds just like the Brostadamus predicted... A lot of people depending on the government thus creating a slave class...mrussel1 said:
I live in a blue state. None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law. The argument doesn't make sense. But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work. But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense. The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help. We must live in different worlds.elvistheking44 said:
He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.mrussel1 said:
So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?Meltdown99 said:
I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it. How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque. I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…gvn2fly1421 said:
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.Meltdown99 said:Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
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Exactlymcgruff10 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but when our ancestors passed through Ellis Island they were checked to see if they were sick and given whatever shots they needed before given the stamp of approval to head over to the main land. I wonder why this is not implemented on the Southern border; maybe because of the huge numbers of people trying to cross?mrussel1 said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-may-offer-covid-vaccine-migrants-crossing-mexico-washington-post-2021-08-04/PJPOWER said:
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/
We should be worried be unvaccinated Texans AND unvaccinated immigrants streaming across the border.0 -
Typing without finishing again...mrussel1 said:
Huh?tempo_n_groove said:
I said it could be precedent. You can under certain circumstances show that you were tested so therefore being forced to be tested.mrussel1 said:
You don't need to be tested, you need a vaccine. And it doesn't prevent you from leaving your house, it's the opposite. It's about indoor public activities.tempo_n_groove said:
Read what is going on in NY right now. This could be the precedent. It's being mandated to be able to go to a gym, restaurant or movie theatre.mrussel1 said:
Under what precedent in US history or law?tempo_n_groove said:
I see that coming soon if you want to be able to leave your house.mrussel1 said:
Are the feds making you get tested under the force of law? No. That's why I'm not upset. I don't have to get tested. Quit being a victim.gvn2fly1421 said:
My point exactly. And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.Meltdown99 said:Who gets tested if fully vaxxed? Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…
The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well
I'm not screaming Fahrenheit 451. Just putting it out there.
if you have to show proof that you got the shot to go grocery shopping I would expect riots.
There will be more added to the list as more people in the city still won't get the shot.
They are asking to show that you were tested if you didn't get the shot to enter certain places.
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Agreed and I have no objection to vaccinating them.mcgruff10 said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but when our ancestors passed through Ellis Island they were checked to see if they were sick and given whatever shots they needed before given the stamp of approval to head over to the main land. I wonder why this is not implemented on the Southern border; maybe because of the huge numbers of people trying to cross?mrussel1 said:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-may-offer-covid-vaccine-migrants-crossing-mexico-washington-post-2021-08-04/PJPOWER said:
On the flip side, apparently the federal government is only concerned about non-vaccinated Texans and not the “tens of thousands” of immigrants flooding in every month from Mexico. I concede, though, there are a whole hell of a lot of Texans refusing to get the vaccine and that is probably going to bite them in the ass over the next couple of weeks/months. But that doesn’t excuse a lack of concern over unvaxxed border crossers that will compound the issue.gimmesometruth27 said:
apparently texas is only concerned about coronavirus being brought in from mexico, and not the homegrown coronavirus already being spread because so many free texans are refusing to get the vaccine that has been proven to be effective in slowing the spread.PJPOWER said:Why not close the border, like plenty other I countries have done, to help mitigate the spread of the virus?https://www.kxan.com/border-report/local-south-texas-officials-declare-disaster-declarations-due-to-migrant-influx-coronavirus-concerns/
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Some data out of Florida... A couple of things I take from it.
1. 1 out of 4 hospitalizations for covid are not from covid. Definitely skews the numbers and could make things appear worse than they are.
2. Vaccines seem to be doing their jobs as far as preventing serious illness.
3. Much like India and the UK, delta seems to have come and is on the way out. I guess bring on Lambda.
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