Meltdown99 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well

My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.

I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it.  How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque.   I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well

My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.

I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it.  How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque.   I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…

So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?

He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.

gvn2fly1421 said:

mrussel1 said:

elvistheking44 said:

mrussel1 said:

Meltdown99 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well

My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.

I’m in Ontario and some docs are saying a 4th wave is coming and and maybe another lockdown…and if that happens, just like sheep we in Ontario will do it.  How come the politicians and doctors who advise lockdowns never give up their pay…the politicians in Canada have been giving themselves raises and calling elections…the people who want lockdowns have not lost a paycheque.   I’m am amazed that this virus is immune to big box stores, manufacturing facilities etc…because they are somehow essential…

So you think that if a govt official supports a lockdown they relinquish pay? What kind of half asset logic is that? Do you think that will lead a person to make the best possible decision?

He’s not saying they should lose their pay, he’s saying IF they lost their income like millions of people have….their choice to lock down may be different.

I live in a blue state.  None of our restaurants were mandated to closed down by force of law.  The argument doesn't make sense.  But then of course we also provided massive unemployment benefits, eliminated foreclosure procedures with fed guaranteed loans, created a student loan forebearance program, all to the point where we now have more jobs than people willing to work.  But sure, yeah the point makes perfect sense.  The gov't forcibly shut down the economy and then did nothing to help.  We must live in different worlds.  

Sounds just like the Brostadamus predicted...  A lot of people depending on the government thus creating a slave class...

Poncier said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

It seems no one remembers 1918-1921

I'm sure Wobbie does.

gvn2fly1421 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

dankind said:

Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.

So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.

I totally disagree with this statement.  All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test!  If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!

Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms?  Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, *which has since been proven to not be a thing.

Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US.  Anyone know who?

Someone got really rich off the statin I take.  Therefore I'm not taking it anymore.  That'll show 'em. 

I said "generally."

But reactionaries gonna reactionary (*and of course, spread a little misinformation while they're at it).

HughFreakingDillon said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

dankind said:

Let's first define the "we" doing "too much" testing: It's generally people who feel ill, particularly with Covid symptoms.

So, no, we're not testing too much. Probably too little from what I've observed anecdotally in a mostly Covid-conscious state.

I totally disagree with this statement.  All of these mandates are coming out and you have to show proof of vaccination to enter or.... a negative test!  If you get contact traced from school or work, you have to wait 14 days or show.... a negative test!

Why are we doing these things if there are no signs or symptoms?  Since I have been down this road, I know the responses are going to come back to asymptomatic spread, which has since been proven to not be a thing.

Related, and this is something I have not looked into, but someone is getting really, really rich on testing in the US.  Anyone know who?

show me your data that suggests asymptomatic spread is not a thing. 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanepe/article/PIIS2666-7762(21)00059-4/fulltext

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210110/59-percent-of-covid-cases-stem-from-asymptomatic-spread

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4851

Here I am getting accused of spreading misinformation, which oddly enough is the reason I got my timeout, or as I call it, my #FauciOuchie.  It is so dangerous for people to judge what mis (or dis) information is.  I define minsformation as information that goes against the narrative of "my" party and ultimately "The" party.  Prove me wrong.

Anywho, to my point, maybe I should have said asymp spread is virtually non-existent, maybe "not a thing" was a little much.  Anyways, let's look at the data.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

Stringent COVID-19 control measures were imposed in Wuhan between January 23 and April 8, 2020. Estimates of the prevalence of infection following the release of restrictions could inform post-lockdown pandemic management. Here, we describe a city-wide SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acid screening programme between May 14 and June 1, 2020 in Wuhan. All city residents aged six years or older were eligible and 9,899,828 (92.9%) participated. No new symptomatic cases and 300 asymptomatic cases (detection rate 0.303/10,000, 95% CI 0.270–0.339/10,000) were identified. There were no positive tests amongst 1,174 close contacts of asymptomatic cases. 107 of 34,424 previously recovered COVID-19 patients tested positive again (re-positive rate 0.31%, 95% CI 0.423–0.574%). The prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 infection in Wuhan was therefore very low five to eight weeks after the end of lockdown.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774102

Results  A total of 54 relevant studies with 77 758 participants reporting household secondary transmission were identified. Estimated household secondary attack rate was 16.6% (95% CI, 14.0%-19.3%), higher than secondary attack rates for SARS-CoV (7.5%; 95% CI, 4.8%-10.7%) and MERS-CoV (4.7%; 95% CI, 0.9%-10.7%). Household secondary attack rates were increased from symptomatic index cases (18.0%; 95% CI, 14.2%-22.1%) than from asymptomatic index cases (0.7%; 95% CI, 0%-4.9%), to adult contacts (28.3%; 95% CI, 20.2%-37.1%) than to child contacts (16.8%; 95% CI, 12.3%-21.7%), to spouses (37.8%; 95% CI, 25.8%-50.5%) than to other family contacts (17.8%; 95% CI, 11.7%-24.8%), and in households with 1 contact (41.5%; 95% CI, 31.7%-51.7%) than in households with 3 or more contacts (22.8%; 95% CI, 13.6%-33.5%).

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”

mrussel1 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

mrussel1 said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

Meltdown99 said:

Who gets tested if fully vaxxed?  Probably the same people who go to the ER with a stubbed toe…

The vaccine was touted as a return to normal…that’s going well

My point exactly.  And the crazy thing is, there seems to be a decent part of the population here in the US that is perfectly ok with it.

Are the feds making you get tested under the force of law? No.  That's why I'm not upset.  I don't have to get tested. Quit being a victim. 

I see that coming soon if you want to be able to leave your house.

Under what precedent in US history or law?