Viruses / Vaccines

PJNB · July 2021

How lucky are we to have a vaccine that works as well as these ones do. Crazy when you think about it.

static111 · July 2021

cp3iverson said:

oftenreading said:

New data available in pre-print looks at the effectiveness of a single doze of the Pfizer vaccine in terms of development of antibodies vs. two doses with respect to the timing of the two doses and confirms that a longer time period between the first and second dose leads to higher overall antibody levels, but leaves the individual less protected during the interval. The authors estimate that the "sweet spot" is 8 weeks between first and second dose (rather than the 3 weeks that Pfizer got authorization for).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spacing-pfizer-covid-shots-boosts-antibody-levels-after-initial-drop-study-2021-07-22/

Though probably no one will even read this, amongst all the bickering.

Good to read more confirmation about this. I had a hunch about this so i cancelled my second appointment that was scheduled 20 days after Pfizer #1 and waited another 3 weeks. I didnt want to wait two whole months tho lol:

i just want my friends to get vaccinated, man. Its their choice but i see a lot of people i know just not wanting it. The vaccine divide doesn't seem to be a right wing/left wing thing here.

Same with my group. There is no common link socially politically racially or sexually as to why some people are vaccinated and others aren’t.

jerparker20 · July 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Epoch Times definitely needs to be fact checked.

The Epoch Times is a media propaganda arm of the Falun Gong, a religious cult based out of China.

OAN,One America News Network, and the Washington Times, are both financially supported by the Unification Church, aka the Moonies, a Korean based religious cult.

Halifax2TheMax · July 2021

jerparker20 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

The Epoch Times definitely needs to be fact checked.

The Epoch Times is a media propaganda arm of the Falun Gong, a religious cult based out of China.

OAN,One America News Network, and the Washington Times, are both financially supported by the Unification Church, aka the Moonies, a Korean based religious cult.

Guess I’ll change my cable package and newspaper subscription then. I want to be really (well informed).

lastexitlondon · July 2021

I just read a study that says the delta has x1200 viral load. This explains a lot about its transmissibilty . Mad evolution

josevolution · July 2021

https://twitter.com/morningpleaser/status/1419274471253364737?s=21
Tejas tejas! I feel for the hospital staff to have to go through this mess again..

cblock4life · July 2021

cblock4life said:

PJNB said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The kids don't matter?

The kids have been through enough…

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theepochtimes.com/five-times-more-children-committed-suicide-than-died-of-covid-19-during-lockdown-uk-study_3903566.html/amp

Five times more children and young people committed suicide than died of COVID-19 during the first year of the pandemic in the United Kingdom, according to a study, which also concluded that lockdowns are more detrimental to children’s health than the virus itself.

It was revealed in the study that only 25 children under the age of 18 died of COVID-19 from the start of the pandemic until the end of February 2021. Around 61 children in all died after testing positive, but in 36 cases it was found the virus “did not contribute to their death.”
But during the same time period, there were 124 suicides among children and 268 deaths from trauma, the study authors found, while noting the virus is “rarely fatal” for children.

Was there a large increase year over year for suicides?

Yes those numbers would be helpful especially
since I can see a lot of young GLBTQ individuals distraught over having a president who openly despised them. Let’s gets the numbers per year during his presidency and see if it began increasing in the years after his election and not just during the pandemic. I’m not disagreeing that keeping kids locked up isn’t detrimental, I just want to know if our former leader being homophobic increased the numbers as well.

[Post edited. Discuss the topic not the people discussing the topic. - Sea]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/cdc-report-states-suicide-rates-donald-trump-mental-health-guns-1/

curmudgeoness · July 2021

I read this article this morning, and have had follow-up from a doctor: If you are immunocompromised, the delta variant poses a real threat to you, vaccinated or not, and you should act as if you are not vaccinated. Meaning: continue masking, practice social distancing, do not socialize indoors with unvaccinated people.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/25/health/us-coronavirus-sunday/index.html

curmudgeoness · July 2021

Also, despite conventional wisdom and the widespread coverage of our mental health epidemic, suicide rates actually dropped by 5% last year. https://www.axios.com/suicide-decreased-in-2020-pandemmic-mental-health-26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html

And there's this (from same article): "COVID-19 became the third leading cause of death in 2020, bumping suicide down from the tenth leading cause of death in 2019 to the eleventh."

mickeyrat · July 2021

cblock4life said:

cblock4life said:

PJNB said:

gvn2fly1421 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

The kids don't matter?

The kids have been through enough…

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.theepochtimes.com/five-times-more-children-committed-suicide-than-died-of-covid-19-during-lockdown-uk-study_3903566.html/amp

Five times more children and young people committed suicide than died of COVID-19 during the first year of the pandemic in the United Kingdom, according to a study, which also concluded that lockdowns are more detrimental to children’s health than the virus itself.

It was revealed in the study that only 25 children under the age of 18 died of COVID-19 from the start of the pandemic until the end of February 2021. Around 61 children in all died after testing positive, but in 36 cases it was found the virus “did not contribute to their death.”
But during the same time period, there were 124 suicides among children and 268 deaths from trauma, the study authors found, while noting the virus is “rarely fatal” for children.

Was there a large increase year over year for suicides?

Yes those numbers would be helpful especially
since I can see a lot of young GLBTQ individuals distraught over having a president who openly despised them. Let’s gets the numbers per year during his presidency and see if it began increasing in the years after his election and not just during the pandemic. I’m not disagreeing that keeping kids locked up isn’t detrimental, I just want to know if our former leader being homophobic increased the numbers as well.

[Post edited. Discuss the topic not the people discussing the topic. - Sea]

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/06/cdc-report-states-suicide-rates-donald-trump-mental-health-guns-1/

those were also purported to be UK numbers I believe.

I dont click those links so I could be mistaken.

lastexit78 · July 2021

PJNB said:

How lucky are we to have a vaccine that works as well as these ones do. Crazy when you think about it.

I often think about this, especially in the context of where we were a year ago. Yet here we are unable to really celebrate this miracle because half the country won’t get on board despite overwhelming evidence. It’s the equivalent of half the country not acknowledging the Apollo 11 moon landing in ‘69. It’s sad and was my biggest fear once we knew these vaccines were so effective. We’d still find a way to fuck it up and here we are. In a sick way I hope this delta wave knocks out another good portion of those without immunity. Not rooting for deaths/hospitalizations but just a solid surge much like the UK just got through. It’s really the ONLY way out now, to get these people infected, We have to be close to 70-75% at this point when you factor in the all those who never officially tested positive. Thankfully immunity is long lasting, including from natural infection. My pre vaccine prediction was this thing would end in mid to late 2022. Can’t believe with a vaccine this effective my prediction might still might hold up. It’s a pathetic reflection of our society.

Gern Blansten · July 2021

My wife does medical transcription for a large surgical office. It is amazing how many times the doctor will dictate that he tried to convince the patient to get vaccinated. It's like they trust their doctor enough to have him operate on or treat their heart issues (these are all major issues...that's why they are there) but they won't take his/her advice on a fucking vaccine?

Fucking morons....no other way around it

mickeyrat · July 2021

mickeyrat · July 2021

https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-292762c1dcf0a208cb78e18fc0694299

Moderna expanding kids vaccine study to better assess safety

By MATTHEW PERRONE and LINDA A. JOHNSON

2 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Moderna said Monday it plans to expand the size of its COVID-19 vaccine study in younger children to better detect rare side effects, such as a type of heart inflammation recently flagged by U.S. health authorities.

The company said it is in talks with the Food and Drug Administration to enroll more study participants under age 12. It had intended to test the vaccine in about 7,000 children, with some as young as 6 months. The Cambridge, Massachusetts-based company said via email it hasn't decided on how many kids might be added.

The announcement comes as U.S. COVID-19 cases are rising and schools prepare to welcome students back to classrooms. At the same time, regulators continue to review cases of a rare type of heart inflammation called myocarditis that has been reported in a small number of teenagers who got the Moderna or Pfizer shots.

Pfizer said on Monday that if it makes changes to its vaccine testing in children, it will provide an update then. The New York-based company is testing its vaccine in up to 4,500 children in the United States and Europe.

The FDA said in a statement it could not comment on its discussions with companies, but added “we do generally work with sponsors to ensure the number of participants in clinical trials are of adequate size to detect safety signals.”

The news was first reported by the New York Times.

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Zod · July 2021

mickeyrat said:

https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-292762c1dcf0a208cb78e18fc0694299
Moderna expanding kids vaccine study to better assess safety
By MATTHEW PERRONE and LINDA A. JOHNSON
2 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Moderna said Monday it plans to expand the size of its COVID-19 vaccine study in younger children to better detect rare side effects, such as a type of heart inflammation recently flagged by U.S. health authorities.
The company said it is in talks with the Food and Drug Administration to enroll more study participants under age 12. It had intended to test the vaccine in about 7,000 children, with some as young as 6 months. The Cambridge, Massachusetts-based company said via email it hasn't decided on how many kids might be added.
The announcement comes as U.S. COVID-19 cases are rising and schools prepare to welcome students back to classrooms. At the same time, regulators continue to review cases of a rare type of heart inflammation called myocarditis that has been reported in a small number of teenagers who got the Moderna or Pfizer shots.
Pfizer said on Monday that if it makes changes to its vaccine testing in children, it will provide an update then. The New York-based company is testing its vaccine in up to 4,500 children in the United States and Europe.
The FDA said in a statement it could not comment on its discussions with companies, but added “we do generally work with sponsors to ensure the number of participants in clinical trials are of adequate size to detect safety signals.”
The news was first reported by the New York Times.

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Would it make a difference in the US. Here in Canada we're probably going to end up at something like 80% of people over 12 will end up being vaccinated. The problem being that that number will be under 70% when you include the people under 12. Not enough for herd immunity. So your stuck in the conundrum of not having herd immunity, or figuring out how to vaccinate the kids.

The US though.. there's no real tipping point in needing to that. Kids seem to be the most resilient against Covid19. If complications are rare, they're also rare with covid, so it's a wash?

F Me In The Brain · July 2021

Zod said:

mickeyrat said:

https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-292762c1dcf0a208cb78e18fc0694299
Moderna expanding kids vaccine study to better assess safety
By MATTHEW PERRONE and LINDA A. JOHNSON
2 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Moderna said Monday it plans to expand the size of its COVID-19 vaccine study in younger children to better detect rare side effects, such as a type of heart inflammation recently flagged by U.S. health authorities.
The company said it is in talks with the Food and Drug Administration to enroll more study participants under age 12. It had intended to test the vaccine in about 7,000 children, with some as young as 6 months. The Cambridge, Massachusetts-based company said via email it hasn't decided on how many kids might be added.
The announcement comes as U.S. COVID-19 cases are rising and schools prepare to welcome students back to classrooms. At the same time, regulators continue to review cases of a rare type of heart inflammation called myocarditis that has been reported in a small number of teenagers who got the Moderna or Pfizer shots.
Pfizer said on Monday that if it makes changes to its vaccine testing in children, it will provide an update then. The New York-based company is testing its vaccine in up to 4,500 children in the United States and Europe.
The FDA said in a statement it could not comment on its discussions with companies, but added “we do generally work with sponsors to ensure the number of participants in clinical trials are of adequate size to detect safety signals.”
The news was first reported by the New York Times.

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Would it make a difference in the US. Here in Canada we're probably going to end up at something like 80% of people over 12 will end up being vaccinated. The problem being that that number will be under 70% when you include the people under 12. Not enough for herd immunity. So your stuck in the conundrum of not having herd immunity, or figuring out how to vaccinate the kids.

The US though.. there's no real tipping point in needing to that. Kids seem to be the most resilient against Covid19. If complications are rare, they're also rare with covid, so it's a wash?

I'm not sure I understand....
Herd immunity is about impacting the spread of the virus, about a difference in how the virus is spread/mutates/etc, in the entire human population, right?
It seems you are referencing what numbers tell us herd immunity is for a certain population?
Wouldn't all people count, if we are concerned about impacting the virus for the whole community and not about statistics the govts will utilize to set standards with?

Long Covid is a thing, even if kids are less likely to be hospitalized and die from this.
Kids also get it and spread it to other non vaccinated folks....be it someone in their family who is unable to take the shots or is unwilling to because they are anti-vaxx.

I think we should absolutely be working to try and make sure we have a vaccine that protects kids as well and not just adults.

I'm not sure my wife will agree to give our kid the vaccine but I would be near the front of the line. Going to be an interesting discussion.... hopefully we get there soon, for the protection of all kids, not just those over 12.

mickeyrat · July 2021

Andy Borowitz adbook post

Biden Considers Banning Vaccine To Convince People To Get It

tempo_n_groove · July 2021

mickeyrat said:

Andy Borowitz adbook post

Biden Considers Banning Vaccine To Convince People To Get It

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

This is hysterical!

PJNB · July 2021

One of the best studies I have seen yet on breakthrough cases and how rare they are. And even then look at those hospitalization and death numbers.

https://twitter.com/GovMurphy/status/1419705958213853191?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1419705958213853191%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

curmudgeoness · July 2021

F Me In The Brain said:

Zod said:

mickeyrat said:

https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-business-science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-292762c1dcf0a208cb78e18fc0694299
Moderna expanding kids vaccine study to better assess safety
By MATTHEW PERRONE and LINDA A. JOHNSON
2 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Moderna said Monday it plans to expand the size of its COVID-19 vaccine study in younger children to better detect rare side effects, such as a type of heart inflammation recently flagged by U.S. health authorities.

Would it make a difference in the US. Here in Canada we're probably going to end up at something like 80% of people over 12 will end up being vaccinated. The problem being that that number will be under 70% when you include the people under 12. Not enough for herd immunity. So your stuck in the conundrum of not having herd immunity, or figuring out how to vaccinate the kids.

The US though.. there's no real tipping point in needing to that. Kids seem to be the most resilient against Covid19. If complications are rare, they're also rare with covid, so it's a wash?

I'm not sure I understand....
Herd immunity is about impacting the spread of the virus, about a difference in how the virus is spread/mutates/etc, in the entire human population, right?
It seems you are referencing what numbers tell us herd immunity is for a certain population?
Wouldn't all people count, if we are concerned about impacting the virus for the whole community and not about statistics the govts will utilize to set standards with?

Long Covid is a thing, even if kids are less likely to be hospitalized and die from this.
Kids also get it and spread it to other non vaccinated folks....be it someone in their family who is unable to take the shots or is unwilling to because they are anti-vaxx.

Some random points here:

1) Since Delta is so much more transmissible, doctors (Fauci, et al) now seem to be saying that we might need to get to 90% for herd immunity. Not good.

2) Contrary to anti-vax rumors that vaccines cause miscarriages and sterility, early reports are that COVID might reduce fertility -- an especially important complication for younger people. I've only seen one or two mentions of this, so my guess is there is not a lot of data -- yet. I imagine that if the data show a big negative impact on fertility that will cause younger people to be much more eager to get the shot.

3) Long Covid: as someone living with an autoimmune disease, those symptoms are all too familiar; they were the biggest reason I was willing to do anything to get vaccinated. Spending years of your life dealing with a cluster of vague yet debilitating symptoms and trying to get back to feeling like your old self? Not fun.

Another thought, since some people still say "It's just the flu." -- How many people saying that actually have had the flu and can remember what it was like? Back in February/ March 2020, when some people on here were upset that PJ was cancelling their spring tour, I reminded some of how H1N1 swept through the crowd at the Spectrum shows in Philly. We took our kids, then ages 10 and 13, and we went to all four shows. We all got sick -- first I got sick (so I've long believed that someone in the ticket office was contagious), then my husband, then the kids.

We lost most of the month of November to H1N1. So last year, when my kids said "Don't worry, Mom, it's just like the flu!" I was able to say, hey, remember H1N1?!? And they both paused and said, oh. Yeah. That really sucked. And then they both got vaccinated against COVID at the first opportunity.

There is a big wave of mandates happening now, and frankly I'm glad to see it.

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