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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Gotta go, there's some rough knocking on my door.
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  • mrussel1
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    edited July 2021
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Gotta go, there's some rough knocking on my door.
    Those aren't knocks, those are the jackboots on your porch. 
  • Merkin Baller
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Gotta go, there's some rough knocking on my door.
    Hide your bibles & guns, just to be safe. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,164
    mrussel1 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Gotta go, there's some rough knocking on my door.
    Those aren't knocks, those are the jackboots on your porch. 
    I peeked out the window and I think I saw Hillary and Obama, maybe Nancy and Joe too but I thought they were in DC? I'm looking for my counterfeit covid vaccination card before I open the door. They ain't jabbing me!
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  • static111
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    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Personally I wish they would mandate it.  This is all just crazy.  It’s not just Trumpers refusing the vaccine.  It’s people from all walks of life and political persuasions.   The deep distrust of our government and media that have been on the decline for years has made it hard for a lot of people to accept the truth even if it is spelled out for them.  This isn’t trumps fault, this isn’t even the individuals fault, it is a fault of our society getting to the place where there is so much distrust in public institutions on top of the plethora of misinformation that looks to most people like a verified source.  

    I’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad. 

     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
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  • tempo_n_groove
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    stuckinline said:
    What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
    Masking up only helps if you have it and from spreading it.  It isn't helping you to prevent from getting it.

    Unless they changed something?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    tempo_n_groove said:
    stuckinline said:
    What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
    Masking up only helps if you have it and from spreading it.  It isn't helping you to prevent from getting it.

    Unless they changed something?


    Yes, wearing a mask does help you from getting CV19


    If you have an N95 mask that's even better


  • mrussel1
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    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Personally I wish they would mandate it.  This is all just crazy.  It’s not just Trumpers refusing the vaccine.  It’s people from all walks of life and political persuasions.   The deep distrust of our government and media that have been on the decline for years has made it hard for a lot of people to accept the truth even if it is spelled out for them.  This isn’t trumps fault, this isn’t even the individuals fault, it is a fault of our society getting to the place where there is so much distrust in public institutions on top of the plethora of misinformation that looks to most people like a verified source.  

    I’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad. 

     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
    Well there are no vaccines that are mandated by the gov't as a condition of freedom/citizenship.   But as a condition of attending public schools, as an example, I could get behind that.  Certainly there are examples of the gov't (through judges) quarantining or isolating certain people because of risks they pose to the public.  Typhoid Mary is the perfect example of that.  
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,211
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Personally I wish they would mandate it.  This is all just crazy.  It’s not just Trumpers refusing the vaccine.  It’s people from all walks of life and political persuasions.   The deep distrust of our government and media that have been on the decline for years has made it hard for a lot of people to accept the truth even if it is spelled out for them.  This isn’t trumps fault, this isn’t even the individuals fault, it is a fault of our society getting to the place where there is so much distrust in public institutions on top of the plethora of misinformation that looks to most people like a verified source.  

    I’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad. 

     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
    Well there are no vaccines that are mandated by the gov't as a condition of freedom/citizenship.   But as a condition of attending public schools, as an example, I could get behind that.  Certainly there are examples of the gov't (through judges) quarantining or isolating certain people because of risks they pose to the public.  Typhoid Mary is the perfect example of that.  
    Thank fuck this isn’t an actual deadly disease.  I realize it is dangerous and has killed millions globally, but I mean like severely deadly.  With the response we are seeing now I’m pretty sure we would be living in a real life adaptation of the Stand.  Sadly it’s gonna take an alarming fatality rate for some people to take this seriously.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Personally I wish they would mandate it.  This is all just crazy.  It’s not just Trumpers refusing the vaccine.  It’s people from all walks of life and political persuasions.   The deep distrust of our government and media that have been on the decline for years has made it hard for a lot of people to accept the truth even if it is spelled out for them.  This isn’t trumps fault, this isn’t even the individuals fault, it is a fault of our society getting to the place where there is so much distrust in public institutions on top of the plethora of misinformation that looks to most people like a verified source.  

    I’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad. 

     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
    Well there are no vaccines that are mandated by the gov't as a condition of freedom/citizenship.   But as a condition of attending public schools, as an example, I could get behind that.  Certainly there are examples of the gov't (through judges) quarantining or isolating certain people because of risks they pose to the public.  Typhoid Mary is the perfect example of that.  
    Thank fuck this isn’t an actual deadly disease.  I realize it is dangerous and has killed millions globally, but I mean like severely deadly.  With the response we are seeing now I’m pretty sure we would be living in a real life adaptation of the Stand.  Sadly it’s gonna take an alarming fatality rate for some people to take this seriously.
    Yeah, maybe we go send them to live with teh Walking Dude (Trump) in Idaho or something.  Actually he'd be the golf cart riding dude...
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,503
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Personally I wish they would mandate it.  This is all just crazy.  It’s not just Trumpers refusing the vaccine.  It’s people from all walks of life and political persuasions.   The deep distrust of our government and media that have been on the decline for years has made it hard for a lot of people to accept the truth even if it is spelled out for them.  This isn’t trumps fault, this isn’t even the individuals fault, it is a fault of our society getting to the place where there is so much distrust in public institutions on top of the plethora of misinformation that looks to most people like a verified source.  

    I’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad. 

     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
    Well there are no vaccines that are mandated by the gov't as a condition of freedom/citizenship.   But as a condition of attending public schools, as an example, I could get behind that.  Certainly there are examples of the gov't (through judges) quarantining or isolating certain people because of risks they pose to the public.  Typhoid Mary is the perfect example of that.  
    Thank fuck this isn’t an actual deadly disease.  I realize it is dangerous and has killed millions globally, but I mean like severely deadly.  With the response we are seeing now I’m pretty sure we would be living in a real life adaptation of the Stand.  Sadly it’s gonna take an alarming fatality rate for some people to take this seriously.
    I know this is morbid, but this world is going to need another deadly disease or event to counter the net negative that only amplifies each generation. I don't wish death upon anyone, but at some point in the next 100 years I think we will get that event.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,877
    CM189191 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    stuckinline said:
    What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
    Masking up only helps if you have it and from spreading it.  It isn't helping you to prevent from getting it.

    Unless they changed something?


    Yes, wearing a mask does help you from getting CV19


    If you have an N95 mask that's even better


    Where did you find this at?  I think 6' away weighs in on this?  Basically last I read that only an N95 had the ability to effectively prevent transmission.

    I'm asking because I am curious and can't find anything like this on the CDC site.  They did upgrade the homemade masks to 2 ply I see.  That is also new to me.
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:


     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
    Well there are no vaccines that are mandated by the gov't as a condition of freedom/citizenship.   But as a condition of attending public schools, as an example, I could get behind that.  Certainly there are examples of the gov't (through judges) quarantining or isolating certain people because of risks they pose to the public.  Typhoid Mary is the perfect example of that.  

    Just the other day, in France, Macron announced that vaccines would be required to do things like go to movie theaters, dine in restaurants, attend sporting events. In the space of 48 hours, some three million French people made appointments to get vaccinated.

    Can the government force you to get vaccinated? Probably not. On the other hand, you do not have a constitutional right to eat in a restaurant, go to a basketball game or attend a PJ concert -- or to be a plague vector. I think we are on the way to seeing similar requirements to those in France implemented here.

    And vaccinations have been required for work and school for a long time -- I assume most of you are old enough that you have children, yes? Vaccinations need to be up to date for school attendance. My son is entering graduate school in the fall, and he needed to submit his immunization info -- and I don't mean COVID (although proof of that vaccine is required) -- I mean DTaP, etc.
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  • JeBurkhardt
    JeBurkhardt Posts: 5,374
    edited July 2021
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Personally I wish they would mandate it.  This is all just crazy.  It’s not just Trumpers refusing the vaccine.  It’s people from all walks of life and political persuasions.   The deep distrust of our government and media that have been on the decline for years has made it hard for a lot of people to accept the truth even if it is spelled out for them.  This isn’t trumps fault, this isn’t even the individuals fault, it is a fault of our society getting to the place where there is so much distrust in public institutions on top of the plethora of misinformation that looks to most people like a verified source.  

    I’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad. 

     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
    Well there are no vaccines that are mandated by the gov't as a condition of freedom/citizenship.   But as a condition of attending public schools, as an example, I could get behind that.  Certainly there are examples of the gov't (through judges) quarantining or isolating certain people because of risks they pose to the public.  Typhoid Mary is the perfect example of that.  
    Employers could mandate it if they had the will to. When I started at my job at a correctional facility, due to the chance of contact with bloodborne pathogens, it was mandated that we received the Hep B vaccination as a condition of employment. One person in my training class refused, he was no longer employed there. The COVID vaccine hasn't been mandated for us yet.
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  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    tbergs said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    All righty.. here's today's talking points.  Nice strawman.  Pretty sure there's no laws on the books nor pending to make the vaccine mandatory, but keep that in the talking points to be safe.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/564319-house-gop-leaders-sav-vaccine-works-but-shouldn't-be-mandated
    Personally I wish they would mandate it.  This is all just crazy.  It’s not just Trumpers refusing the vaccine.  It’s people from all walks of life and political persuasions.   The deep distrust of our government and media that have been on the decline for years has made it hard for a lot of people to accept the truth even if it is spelled out for them.  This isn’t trumps fault, this isn’t even the individuals fault, it is a fault of our society getting to the place where there is so much distrust in public institutions on top of the plethora of misinformation that looks to most people like a verified source.  

    I’m not blaming anyone that doesn’t get the vaccine for anything that happens, this is a societal problem, the fact that enough people have lost trust in one another and their public servants to seriously believe that this isn’t a substantial public health crisis is just sad. 

     I don’t know what to do, but down talking and finger pointing and fact checking these people to death will not change anything.  Based on the data most unvaccinated people still make it through ok without serious long term effects or death,  that is what most unvaxxed latch onto.   How do you counter message that? By calling them selfish assholes?   Sorry but that isn’t going to change hearts and minds.  Mandate the vaccine, or I guess people need to just get over it, because nothing is going to change if it hasn’t by now.
    Well there are no vaccines that are mandated by the gov't as a condition of freedom/citizenship.   But as a condition of attending public schools, as an example, I could get behind that.  Certainly there are examples of the gov't (through judges) quarantining or isolating certain people because of risks they pose to the public.  Typhoid Mary is the perfect example of that.  
    Thank fuck this isn’t an actual deadly disease.  I realize it is dangerous and has killed millions globally, but I mean like severely deadly.  With the response we are seeing now I’m pretty sure we would be living in a real life adaptation of the Stand.  Sadly it’s gonna take an alarming fatality rate for some people to take this seriously.
    I know this is morbid, but this world is going to need another deadly disease or event to counter the net negative that only amplifies each generation. I don't wish death upon anyone, but at some point in the next 100 years I think we will get that event.
    Well according to Nostradamus, the quatrains of the end have already begun….with the final end beginning in 2064.  I’m not saying I truly believe all that, I’m just saying that it’s up to the late teens to twenty somethings to fix this.  Clean up the mess we’ve created for thousands of years.  And I failed at conveying that to my children who are in their mid thirties. They really take the virus seriously so I did something right but I should have been more concerned about teaching them about taking care of the earth.  It’s up to you 40, 30, 20 year olds to teach your children being fully honest about all of it…climate change, politics, government, etc. 
  • curmudgeoness
    curmudgeoness Brigadoon, foodie capital Posts: 4,130
    I read this morning that, through the end of April, 100 million Americans had been fully vaccinated. The CDC looked through their data and found that through the end of April there had been 10,000 cases of COVID reported in fully vaccinated people, of which 1,000 required hospitalization.

    Takeaways:

    1) They take as a *given* that there actually were more than 10,000 breakthrough cases, but most were asymptomatic, so those people don't even know that they were infected. These were just the cases severe enough to attract attention/ cause people to go get tested.

    2) Out of 100 million fully vaccinated people, ONE THOUSAND required hospitalization after contracting COVID. That means that the odds of contracting a case of COVID severe enough to require hospitalization, if you're fully vaccinated, are 1 in 100,000.

    3) I believe 94 of those people died, but I might have that number wrong. At any rate, the odds of dying of COVID after being fully vaccinated are approximately one in a million. Compare that with the mortality rate for unvaccinated people.

    I also saw a headline this morning from, I think, the Dallas Morning News (I'm so uncool that I read Apple News on the treadmill). It said that all but 24 COVID deaths in Texas, since February, were in unvaccinated people.
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    edited July 2021
    One more thing before I go try to be productive:

    For those of you who are skeptical of liberal media, or who just want a more unbiased approach to news, some of the resources with the most neutral, fact-based approach are Bloomberg and Reuters. They have pandemic coverage, too.

    This is off the topic of vaccines, but since where we get our information influences how we see things, I'm including some links on bias and reliability in news sources.




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    Speaking of politicizing covid, from Woodward’s Rage:


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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,328
    Bentleyspop said:
    stuckinline said:
    What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!
    To most people yes of course.

    But to too many people around the world, in this country, and on this site, being ignorant and selfish makes more sense to them.
    Yes, other parts of the World too:

    Anger as French protesters compare vaccines to Nazi horrors

    https://apnews.com/article/europe-health-government-and-politics-coronavirus-pandemic-race-and-ethnicity-e3757c1c51abd7ce56473c455f6f880d
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