Viruses / Vaccines

gvn2fly1421

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Well, what does your doctor tell you about the vaccine?  We have the leader of the free world saying you cannot catch covid if you have it, then we have the Washington Post saying that not only can I still catch the virus, but I can spread the virus and I can carry symptoms of the virus.

Hobbes

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

stuckinline said:

What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!

Masking up only helps if you have it and from spreading it.  It isn't helping you to prevent from getting it.

Unless they changed something?

Yes, wearing a mask does help you from getting CV19


If you have an N95 mask that's even better

Where did you find this at?  I think 6' away weighs in on this?  Basically last I read that only an N95 had the ability to effectively prevent transmission.

I'm asking because I am curious and can't find anything like this on the CDC site.  They did upgrade the homemade masks to 2 ply I see.  That is also new to me.

COVID-19: Considerations for Wearing Masks | CDC

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

oftenreading

New data available in pre-print looks at the effectiveness of a single doze of the Pfizer vaccine in terms of development of antibodies vs. two doses with respect to the timing of the two doses and confirms that a longer time period between the first and second dose leads to higher overall antibody levels, but leaves the individual less protected during the interval. The authors estimate that the "sweet spot" is 8 weeks between first and second dose (rather than the 3 weeks that Pfizer got authorization for).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spacing-pfizer-covid-shots-boosts-antibody-levels-after-initial-drop-study-2021-07-22/

Though probably no one will even read this, amongst all the bickering. 

Ledbetterman10

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Are you sure that getting medical advice from politicians and then coming to the 10C forum for clarification on said advice isn't a better approach? 

A few people seem to think it is. 

It's not "medical advice" that Biden is expected to be giving. He's expected to state the facts regarding the vaccine. And frankly, I bet there's doctors out there that aren't sure of exactly what the vaccines can and can't do. 

mickeyrat

gvn2fly1421 said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Well, what does your doctor tell you about the vaccine?  We have the leader of the free world saying you cannot catch covid if you have it, then we have the Washington Post saying that not only can I still catch the virus, but I can spread the virus and I can carry symptoms of the virus.

see her next month for a check up. usual stuff.  not overly or mildly concerned with the 95% efficacy of the 2 shot I got. feel pretty good about it , in fact.

so just out here living life. would recommend it to anyone, but hey to each their own.

PJNB

oftenreading said:

New data available in pre-print looks at the effectiveness of a single doze of the Pfizer vaccine in terms of development of antibodies vs. two doses with respect to the timing of the two doses and confirms that a longer time period between the first and second dose leads to higher overall antibody levels, but leaves the individual less protected during the interval. The authors estimate that the "sweet spot" is 8 weeks between first and second dose (rather than the 3 weeks that Pfizer got authorization for).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spacing-pfizer-covid-shots-boosts-antibody-levels-after-initial-drop-study-2021-07-22/

Though probably no one will even read this, amongst all the bickering. 

Great news and looks like Canada may have gotten lucky a bit with their strategy of single doses first to the masses and this also working in our favour. 

mickeyrat

PJNB said:

oftenreading said:

New data available in pre-print looks at the effectiveness of a single doze of the Pfizer vaccine in terms of development of antibodies vs. two doses with respect to the timing of the two doses and confirms that a longer time period between the first and second dose leads to higher overall antibody levels, but leaves the individual less protected during the interval. The authors estimate that the "sweet spot" is 8 weeks between first and second dose (rather than the 3 weeks that Pfizer got authorization for).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spacing-pfizer-covid-shots-boosts-antibody-levels-after-initial-drop-study-2021-07-22/

Though probably no one will even read this, amongst all the bickering. 

Great news and looks like Canada may have gotten lucky a bit with their strategy of single doses first to the masses and this also working in our favour. 

wheres meltdown when you need him....

tempo_n_groove

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

stuckinline said:

What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!

Masking up only helps if you have it and from spreading it.  It isn't helping you to prevent from getting it.

Unless they changed something?

Yes, wearing a mask does help you from getting CV19


If you have an N95 mask that's even better

Where did you find this at?  I think 6' away weighs in on this?  Basically last I read that only an N95 had the ability to effectively prevent transmission.

I'm asking because I am curious and can't find anything like this on the CDC site.  They did upgrade the homemade masks to 2 ply I see.  That is also new to me.

COVID-19: Considerations for Wearing Masks | CDC

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

TY.  I read the first link already but never saw the second one.

We might go back to masks full time again it seems.

tempo_n_groove

oftenreading said:

New data available in pre-print looks at the effectiveness of a single doze of the Pfizer vaccine in terms of development of antibodies vs. two doses with respect to the timing of the two doses and confirms that a longer time period between the first and second dose leads to higher overall antibody levels, but leaves the individual less protected during the interval. The authors estimate that the "sweet spot" is 8 weeks between first and second dose (rather than the 3 weeks that Pfizer got authorization for).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spacing-pfizer-covid-shots-boosts-antibody-levels-after-initial-drop-study-2021-07-22/

Though probably no one will even read this, amongst all the bickering. 

Read it.  TY.

So an 8 week gap is proving to be way more effective than a 3 week gap.  

Merkin Baller

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Are you sure that getting medical advice from politicians and then coming to the 10C forum for clarification on said advice isn't a better approach? 

A few people seem to think it is. 

It's not "medical advice" that Biden is expected to be giving. He's expected to state the facts regarding the vaccine. And frankly, I bet there's doctors out there that aren't sure of exactly what the vaccines can and can't do. 

Do you think he misspoke intentionally?

I'm with you, the reporter should have pushed back and had him clarify, but expecting the media to do the right thing these days is unfortunately expecting too much.

He made an erroneous statement... with that being said, do you really think he's intentionally lying? 

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Hobbes said:

tempo_n_groove said:

CM189191 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

stuckinline said:

What a hot mess this thread has become! I wish people would stop the 'blame' game regarding who said what. Please get vaccinated, and if you are not vaccinated - mask up!

Masking up only helps if you have it and from spreading it.  It isn't helping you to prevent from getting it.

Unless they changed something?

Yes, wearing a mask does help you from getting CV19


If you have an N95 mask that's even better

Where did you find this at?  I think 6' away weighs in on this?  Basically last I read that only an N95 had the ability to effectively prevent transmission.

I'm asking because I am curious and can't find anything like this on the CDC site.  They did upgrade the homemade masks to 2 ply I see.  That is also new to me.

COVID-19: Considerations for Wearing Masks | CDC

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

TY.  I read the first link already but never saw the second one.

We might go back to masks full time again it seems.

I think so too, which doesn't bother me personally, but man... things are going to get ugly if (when?) we take a step back this fall. 

Ledbetterman10

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Are you sure that getting medical advice from politicians and then coming to the 10C forum for clarification on said advice isn't a better approach? 

A few people seem to think it is. 

It's not "medical advice" that Biden is expected to be giving. He's expected to state the facts regarding the vaccine. And frankly, I bet there's doctors out there that aren't sure of exactly what the vaccines can and can't do. 

Do you think he misspoke intentionally?

I'm with you, the reporter should have pushed back and had him clarify, but expecting the media to do the right thing these days is unfortunately expecting too much.

He made an erroneous statement... with that being said, do you really think he's intentionally lying? 

I tend to think he's not. Though it's not impossible. But of the two options...

1) Biden doesn't know what the hell he's talking about

and

2) Biden is so desperate to get more people vaccinated that he'll lie and exaggerate the effectiveness of the vaccines.

....I think option 1 is more likely. But I don't think option 2 is completely out of realm of possibility. But it's probably option 1. 

oftenreading

PJNB said:

oftenreading said:

New data available in pre-print looks at the effectiveness of a single doze of the Pfizer vaccine in terms of development of antibodies vs. two doses with respect to the timing of the two doses and confirms that a longer time period between the first and second dose leads to higher overall antibody levels, but leaves the individual less protected during the interval. The authors estimate that the "sweet spot" is 8 weeks between first and second dose (rather than the 3 weeks that Pfizer got authorization for).

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/spacing-pfizer-covid-shots-boosts-antibody-levels-after-initial-drop-study-2021-07-22/

Though probably no one will even read this, amongst all the bickering. 

Great news and looks like Canada may have gotten lucky a bit with their strategy of single doses first to the masses and this also working in our favour. 

Yesterday Canada surpassed the UK in percentage of population vaccinated, both first dose and fully. We’re now the highest vaccinated of the G7 nations. The only countries with a higher vaccination rate are a handful of little ones, like Aruba and Malta, and Chile. 

Yes, our vaccine program was a total shambles    

Merkin Baller

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Are you sure that getting medical advice from politicians and then coming to the 10C forum for clarification on said advice isn't a better approach? 

A few people seem to think it is. 

It's not "medical advice" that Biden is expected to be giving. He's expected to state the facts regarding the vaccine. And frankly, I bet there's doctors out there that aren't sure of exactly what the vaccines can and can't do. 

Do you think he misspoke intentionally?

I'm with you, the reporter should have pushed back and had him clarify, but expecting the media to do the right thing these days is unfortunately expecting too much.

He made an erroneous statement... with that being said, do you really think he's intentionally lying? 

I tend to think he's not. Though it's not impossible. But of the two options...

1) Biden doesn't know what the hell he's talking about

and

2) Biden is so desperate to get more people vaccinated that he'll lie and exaggerate the effectiveness of the vaccines.

....I think option 1 is more likely. But I don't think option 2 is completely out of realm of possibility. But it's probably option 1. 

I believe he's desperate for more people to get vaccinated... aren't you? We should all be. It's what's in the best interest of the country moving forward. That said, I genuinely don't think he would push such a demonstrably false lie. I know we're used to that after the 4 years that preceded him, but that doesn't seem to be his style. 




I also entertain a third option, that he knows what the vaccines do and don't do, and that he simply misspoke... you know... Occam's razor & all. 

mace1229

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

I agree 100% he should have been called out or asked a follow up question. And even meaning that you won’t get any of the devastation effects of covid isn’t true either. People have still been hospitalized and died.
I assume he meant the chances are much, much less. But that’s just an assumption. He should have been asked and he should have clarified. I find it funny that people defend the coverage and the interview.

Ledbetterman10

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Are you sure that getting medical advice from politicians and then coming to the 10C forum for clarification on said advice isn't a better approach? 

A few people seem to think it is. 

It's not "medical advice" that Biden is expected to be giving. He's expected to state the facts regarding the vaccine. And frankly, I bet there's doctors out there that aren't sure of exactly what the vaccines can and can't do. 

Do you think he misspoke intentionally?

I'm with you, the reporter should have pushed back and had him clarify, but expecting the media to do the right thing these days is unfortunately expecting too much.

He made an erroneous statement... with that being said, do you really think he's intentionally lying? 

I tend to think he's not. Though it's not impossible. But of the two options...

1) Biden doesn't know what the hell he's talking about

and

2) Biden is so desperate to get more people vaccinated that he'll lie and exaggerate the effectiveness of the vaccines.

....I think option 1 is more likely. But I don't think option 2 is completely out of realm of possibility. But it's probably option 1. 

I believe he's desperate for more people to get vaccinated... aren't you? We should all be. It's what's in the best interest of the country moving forward. That said, I genuinely don't think he would push such a demonstrably false lie. I know we're used to that after the 4 years that preceded him, but that doesn't seem to be his style. 




I also entertain a third option, that he knows what the vaccines do and don't do, and that he simply misspoke... you know... Occam's razor & all. 

I know Trump was outrageous to a point that it was hard to believe it was even happening, but Biden's as big of a government guy as there could be. You can't just totally trust the government. 

As for Biden misspeaking, sure that's possible. But if that's the case, he needs to get with the program. If the pandemic/vaccines are the most important thing going on in the world, get it right when you're addressing it publicly. Maybe he's not malicious like Trump, but he comes off as being as dumb as Bush. The three of them make me appreciate Obama a little more. 

Merkin Baller

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mickeyrat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mickeyrat said:

I will assume and do in fact, he meant not get any of the devastating effects visited on the unvaccinated.

Can't ya just acknowledge that Biden was wrong when he said that, rather than assuming what he meant? He said "You’re not gonna get COVID if you have these vaccinations." That's his quote, in a televised townhall, and it's incorrect. God forbid the interviewer push back and note that he was incorrect so then Biden could correct himself and say what you assume he meant. 

assuming different meaning sorta infers the statement was incorrect.

no matter, I go to my doctor for medical advice, not a life long politician. or a first time one.

Are you sure that getting medical advice from politicians and then coming to the 10C forum for clarification on said advice isn't a better approach? 

A few people seem to think it is. 

It's not "medical advice" that Biden is expected to be giving. He's expected to state the facts regarding the vaccine. And frankly, I bet there's doctors out there that aren't sure of exactly what the vaccines can and can't do. 

Do you think he misspoke intentionally?

I'm with you, the reporter should have pushed back and had him clarify, but expecting the media to do the right thing these days is unfortunately expecting too much.

He made an erroneous statement... with that being said, do you really think he's intentionally lying? 

I tend to think he's not. Though it's not impossible. But of the two options...

1) Biden doesn't know what the hell he's talking about

and

2) Biden is so desperate to get more people vaccinated that he'll lie and exaggerate the effectiveness of the vaccines.

....I think option 1 is more likely. But I don't think option 2 is completely out of realm of possibility. But it's probably option 1. 

I believe he's desperate for more people to get vaccinated... aren't you? We should all be. It's what's in the best interest of the country moving forward. That said, I genuinely don't think he would push such a demonstrably false lie. I know we're used to that after the 4 years that preceded him, but that doesn't seem to be his style. 




I also entertain a third option, that he knows what the vaccines do and don't do, and that he simply misspoke... you know... Occam's razor & all. 

I know Trump was outrageous to a point that it was hard to believe it was even happening, but Biden's as big of a government guy as there could be. You can't just totally trust the government. 

As for Biden misspeaking, sure that's possible. But if that's the case, he needs to get with the program. If the pandemic/vaccines are the most important thing going on in the world, get it right when you're addressing it publicly. Maybe he's not malicious like Trump, but he comes off as being as dumb as Bush. The three of them make me appreciate Obama a little more. 

I don't trust the government or politicians, but this current administration at least shows an interest in governing and trying to get the country out of this mess, which is more than we can say about the administration it replaced. 


Again... Occam's razor, I'm hard pressed to believe he intentionally lied and also doesn't know what the vaccines do and don't do. I know he's a government guy and no more trustworthy than any other politician, but he's also no dummy, despite the stutter. 


And yes... someone should have pushed back on that statement and made him clarify.

josevolution

Time to start blaming the unvaccinated for the prolonging of this pandemic! Unless you wanna blame Obama because we all know mango Mussolini was perfect bestest of the best president..

brianlux

WTF is it with FLA?! 

And what about Alabama Governor, Kay Ivey, and her statement that "Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the vaccinated folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”  WTF, Kay?  Where do you think these people got there notions about the vaccine in the first place???

What the hell is wrong with some of these people?!

Halifax2TheMax

brianlux said:

WTF is it with FLA?! 

And what about Alabama Governor, Kay Ivey, and her statement that "Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the vaccinated folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.”  WTF, Kay?  Where do you think these people got there notions about the vaccine in the first place???

What the hell is wrong with some of these people?!

Their/there/they're only policy is owning libs.