Viruses / Vaccines

Kat
Kat Posts: 4,989
edited January 2022 in A Moving Train

Let's continue an important discussion that could help everyone here.

I think this action by a Dept. of Health is a big mistake.

Brett Kelman, Nashville Tennessean

 The Tennessee Department of Health will halt all adolescent vaccine outreach – not just for coronavirus, but all diseases – amid pressure from Republican state lawmakers, according to an internal report and agency emails obtained by the Tennessean. If the health department must issue any information about vaccines, staff are instructed to strip the agency logo off the documents.

The health department will also stop all COVID-19 vaccine events on school property, despite holding at least one such event this month. The decisions to end vaccine outreach and school events come directly from Health Commissioner Dr. Lisa Piercey, the internal report states.

Additionally, the health department will take steps to ensure it no longer sends postcards or other notices reminding teenagers to get their second dose of the coronavirus vaccines. Postcards will still be sent to adults, but teens will be excluded from the mailing list so the postcards are not “potentially interpreted as solicitation to minors,” the report states.

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https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2021/07/13/tennessee-halts-all-vaccine-outreach-minors-not-just-covid-19/7928701002/

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,139
    It's so sad that we have reached a point where politics is more important than public health. There is no longer 'for the greater good' in this country.  It's now 'for the greater good of my party'.  It's harmful to all of us.  
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,731
    I'm (sarcastically) looking forward to the day when diseases I didn't even worry about as a kid are raging through schools. People are going to use their kids as pawns to own the libs.

    pjhawks said:
    It's so sad that we have reached a point where politics is more important than public health. There is no longer 'for the greater good' in this country.  It's now 'for the greater good of my party'.  It's harmful to all of us.  

    It makes me wonder if there ever really was a "greater good." I mean, first and foremost, vaccines help the recipient. It hasn't even gone from "greater good" to "for the party." More like "looking out for myself" to "for the party." 
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    LA County has reimplemented indoor masks…even for the fully-vaccinated :i_dunno:
  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,034
    So with the rising cases in the world but more specifically the USA, I'm getting a bit worried. I'm vaccinated with Pfizer and have been maskless since it was advised. I felt pretty protected and quite frankly so relieved!  I knew the vax wasn't 100% but kept hearing we were unlikely to even get sick, let alone pass it on to someone else.

    Unfortunately, I'm hearing about a lot of breatkthrough cases. The CDC is not tracking these unless you end up hospitalized.  While most of these cases seem to be mild and a lot of people thought they just had allergies or a cold, some are feeling pretty sick. Not hospitalized, just feeling awful.

    I'm in Texas, so our vax rate isn't good. All of this had led me to the decision to start wearing my KN95 mask again. I work at Costco, so I'm around a crap ton of people.
    Believe me I did NOT want to start wearing the mask aging for 8 hours a day. It's fricking hot in the warehouse in the summer! I just feel things are about to get hairy again. I feel confident I won't end up in the hospital or dead, though I'm about to turn 59 so age is a factor,  but I just don't want Covid at all.

    I felt a bit defeated today in a strange way. Getting vaccinated had really made me feel like a corner had been turned, and I believe they are tremendously helpful! People who get them are not dying. That's huge. This Delta crap though is just fricking bad and we are not done with this pandemic.

    So, there's my story. Just felt like sharing it here.


  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    ^ I read that hedonist, and honestly I wonder if it's better that I do voluntarily. I mean, double vax will lower infection and serious outcome rates, but isn't it better not to catch it at all? 
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    ^^^As for what Kat posted, I think I'm on the side of these politicians. I don't feel that the risk is worth it for kids (particularly the younger ones still developing) especially in a country that wouldn't reach herd anyhow?
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 32,037
    TN is a joke.  
    A safe one, but a joke nonetheless.
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  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    Canada is preparing to allow fully vaccinated American in mid-August and other countries mid-September, cruises in November.
    I wonder which vaccines will be approved? I assume we will go with WHO rather than CDN which didn't approve J&J.
    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,721
    Is this a new Covid-thread or what is happening?

    Anyways, I'm getting my first shot on tuesday. Just in time for my vaccation.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,796
    https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2021/07/15/yankees-red-sox-postponed-after-new-york-positive-covid-19-tests/?p1=hp_featurestack

    Red Sox / Yankees series for this weekend was cancelled due to a few Yankees testing positive. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,645
    shortsighted and wasteful....

    Canadian government rejects virus shots in US border tunnel
    Yesterday

    DETROIT (AP) — The Canadian government has rejected a creative plan to have Ontario residents line up inside a U.S. border tunnel to tap into a surplus of COVID-19 vaccine held by Michigan, a mayor said.

    A white stripe was painted inside the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel in the Detroit River. Windsor Mayor Drew Dilkens proposed that Canadians would stand along the border while health care workers jab them.

    “We’re not trying to send a man to the moon here. We’re using the infrastructure to accomplish a shared goal,” Dilkens told the Detroit Free Press. “This is a sensible, reasonable alternative to vaccines heading to the landfill.”

    Motor vehicle travel between the countries is prohibited during the pandemic except for commercial truck traffic and workers deemed essential. Dilkens said partnering with Michigan, which has a vaccine surplus, would reduce the waiting time for Canadians who need a second shot.

    But the Canada Border Services Agency told Dilkens that the tunnel clinic could disrupt travel and carry “significant security implications.”

    Separately, Public Health Agency of Canada warned there could be trouble if the person giving the shot reached across the tunnel's white line into Canada.

    “A vaccine cannot be imported into Canadian space without the express consent of Health Canada,” said Kathy Thompson, executive vice president at the agency.

    More than 500,000 vaccine doses held by Michigan are set to expire by early August, said Lynn Sutfin, spokeswoman at the state health department.

    “It’s dead,” Dilkens said of his plan. “Our government will not let this happen.”


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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,645
    ^^^^ fine , lets put some folks on barges from each side, lash together in the middle of the river and get this done......
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  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    hedonist said:
    LA County has reimplemented indoor masks…even for the fully-vaccinated :i_dunno:
    If the powers that be felt this to be a necessary measure, why would it not be effective immediately?  

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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,139
    tish said:
    ^^^As for what Kat posted, I think I'm on the side of these politicians. I don't feel that the risk is worth it for kids (particularly the younger ones still developing) especially in a country that wouldn't reach herd anyhow?
    Maybe for Covid but they are trying to stop providing information for ALL vaccines for kids including things like polio.  Now I would assume doctors would still get that word out but can you imagine the number of diseases we have basically eradicated because of vaccines that might come back if people stop getting vaccinated.  It's scary and will put the rest of the country at risk.  It's completely irresponsible.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 42,252
    This anti vax thing is big in the Hasidic community here in NY.  Big time anti vaxxers.
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    ^Hawkeye: I see what you mean. Isn't it stopping the info getting to kids? Isn't informed consent and age of consent an issue in the states now? 
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    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    gvn2fly1421 said:
    hedonist said:
    LA County has reimplemented indoor masks…even for the fully-vaccinated :i_dunno:
    If the powers that be felt this to be a necessary measure, why would it not be effective immediately?  

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    Gotta say I wondered about that as well. Especially in bars that are open till 2am on Saturday into Sunday. 
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited July 2021
    Ya, sometimes I wonder if they only stopped masking requirements to promote vaccinations as enticing or effective? 

    Or maybe we all need to catch covid for herd, it's just safer with vax? Or not because this allows mutations... done thinking 4 now!
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    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • Spunkie
    Spunkie i come from downtown. Posts: 7,095
    edited July 2021
    ^ I wonder if BC will have to backtrack with our high levels of vaccination... I'll have to look up how we compare to CA...

    Looks like your under 60% one dose, so maybe our vaccination efforts here won't result in a resurgence requiring masks again soon.
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    I was swimming in the Great Barrier Reef 
    Animals were hiding behind the Coral 
    Except for little Turtle
    I could swear he's trying to talk to me 
    Gurgle Gurgle
  • gvn2fly1421
    gvn2fly1421 Posts: 935
    To stick with the thread title 'Viruses / Vaccines", which one of these statements do you view to be true?

    A.  You will either catch covid OR get vaccinated
    B.  You will either catch covid OR get vaccinated and catch covid

    I tend to think B. is true, especially with more and more data pouring out of other heavily vaccinated countries.  So, if B. is true and we will all eventually catch covid, what do we see as the best way forward?

    Discuss...
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