George Floyd Protests

josevolution · April 2021

static111 said:

What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?

Yep I blame the fucking foster bitch mom & all the vile chicks coming after a 16 year old girl & the cop too he could of just tased her..

Ledbetterman10 · April 2021

static111 said:

What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?

IF true....

The cops arriving should be in her favor. Her and her father could report this all to the cops. The little sister who called 911 could corroborate the story. And the three women, and especially the foster mom (who did seem unemotional in her interview on TV) could be in big, big trouble.

Instead, as the cops arrive, the father kicks a woman in the head and she tries to stab someone.

benjs · April 2021

lindamarie73 said:

CM189191 said:

PJNB said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?

Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

I have and I don’t.

Police shouldn't be killing anyone. I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
We need to find a better way of policing.

In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one.

I'm not talking about a perfect world. Just every. other. nation.

It only happens here. In the US. We live in a police state. Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else. Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen. Literally any other response. Why is it always kill kill kill?

Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.

I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.

mace1229 · April 2021

benjs said:

lindamarie73 said:

CM189191 said:

PJNB said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?

Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

I have and I don’t.

Police shouldn't be killing anyone. I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
We need to find a better way of policing.

In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one.

I'm not talking about a perfect world. Just every. other. nation.

It only happens here. In the US. We live in a police state. Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else. Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen. Literally any other response. Why is it always kill kill kill?

Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.

I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.

So how many people should she be allowed to stab to death before moving beyond non-lethal force? In just a few seconds that other girl would have likely been dead. So saying he should have tried this, that, and the other thing also means you’re accepting at least 1 other girl is killed. So how many is the limit before he steps in?

benjs · April 2021

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

lindamarie73 said:

CM189191 said:

PJNB said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?

Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

I have and I don’t.

Police shouldn't be killing anyone. I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
We need to find a better way of policing.

In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one.

I'm not talking about a perfect world. Just every. other. nation.

It only happens here. In the US. We live in a police state. Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else. Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen. Literally any other response. Why is it always kill kill kill?

Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.

I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.

So how many people should she be allowed to stab to death before moving beyond non-lethal force? In just a few seconds that other girl would have likely been dead. So saying he should have tried this, that, and the other thing also means you’re accepting at least 1 other girl is killed. So how many is the limit before he steps in?

You don't think being tased would stop this person? Seriously?

mace1229 · April 2021

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

benjs said:

lindamarie73 said:

CM189191 said:

PJNB said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?

Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

I have and I don’t.

Police shouldn't be killing anyone. I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
We need to find a better way of policing.

In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one.

I'm not talking about a perfect world. Just every. other. nation.

It only happens here. In the US. We live in a police state. Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else. Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen. Literally any other response. Why is it always kill kill kill?

Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.

I want them to stop reaching for guns before reasonable non-lethal forces are exhausted. I want them to fucking try this approach, and to watch it work or fail, rather than to make moronic comments insinuating that guns and unicorn farts and fairy dust (I fixed your shitty spelling) are the only options available to a cop.

As for the cops sticking around, maybe they can differentiate between right from wrong? Or maybe they understand that they aren't living up to their mantra (To Serve and Protect). Or maybe they're not snowflakes like you and know that the public has a right to criticize public services when it's warranted.

So how many people should she be allowed to stab to death before moving beyond non-lethal force? In just a few seconds that other girl would have likely been dead. So saying he should have tried this, that, and the other thing also means you’re accepting at least 1 other girl is killed. So how many is the limit before he steps in?

You don't think being tased would stop this person? Seriously?

Not when you have about 0.3 seconds to save a life, no.

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/27/729922975/despite-widespread-use-police-rate-tasers-as-less-effective-than-believed

mickeyrat · April 2021

George Floyd Minneapolis Trials Death of George Floyd Brandon Mitchell

Chauvin juror: After intense trial, verdict was 'easy part'

By AMY FORLITI and DOUG GLASS

Today

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — A juror who cast one of the unanimous votes to convict a white former Minneapolis police officer in George Floyd's death said Wednesday that deliberations were relaxed and methodical as he and 11 other jurors quickly talked their way to agreement in parts of just two days.

Brandon Mitchell was the first juror who deliberated to come forward publicly since Derek Chauvin was convicted April 20 of second- and third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter, following an alternate juror who wasn't part of deliberations. Mitchell, who is Black, said the jury room was a relief after three weeks of emotional testimony that he described as “like a funeral” day after day.

“It’s not human nature to watch people die," Mitchell said in an interview with The Associated Press, describing testimony that day after day included video of Floyd's desperate cries as he was held down by Chauvin. “You know you want to be able to help somebody... watching the same person die every day, and you see his family member in the (courtroom).”

Prosecutors said Chauvin pinned Floyd, a Black man, to the pavement outside Cup Foods in Minneapolis for 9 minutes, 29 seconds on May 25. Floyd had been accused of passing a counterfeit $20 bill at the store. Three other officers, since fired, face trial in August.

Prosecutors played a wide range of videos for the jury, including teenager Darnella Frazier’s bystander video that was seen worldwide in the hours after Floyd’s death. That video and the officers’ body camera video recorded bystanders shouting at Chauvin and the other officers to get off Floyd, warning that they were cutting off his breathing and asking them to check for a pulse.

“It's cold in the room. It just feels dark,” Mitchell said of the weeks of testimony. “It felt like a funeral in there... The decision was the easy part.”

Mitchell, 31, a high school basketball coach, recounted his jury experience in a round of interviews with multiple media outlets, including telling ABC's “Good Morning America” that he thought verdicts could have been reached even faster: “I felt like it should have been 20 minutes,” he said.

In his interview with AP, Mitchell described jurors settling down to work the afternoon after sitting through hours of closing arguments. They elected a foreperson, he said, “then we went straight to manslaughter,” with a preliminary vote and soon a final vote.

They then broke and came back the second day, and started with the third-degree murder charge.

“That took a little bit more time,” Mitchell said, calling the language of the statute “a little bit tricky.” After about four hours on that, he said, jurors then reached agreement in just half an hour on second-degree murder. He said the group simply worked its way through jury instructions in checklist fashion.

Mitchell described video footage as “for sure” the strongest part of the prosecution case, followed closely by Dr. Martin Tobin, a breathing expert whom he said “kind of set it over the top” with a convincing and easily understood explanation of how Floyd was unable to breathe due to the restraint.

Mitchell said he thought Chauvin attorney Eric Nelson “actually did an OK job.”

“I just don't think they had any, they didn't have an avenue to go down,” he said. “They threw a bunch of things out there just to see what would stick" but none did.

"Their opening statement and some of their early arguments were very, were so good that I was very curious and was waiting for that moment, for that kind of a-ha moment.... that just never happened,” Mitchell said.

Mitchell said he thought Nelson's frequent portrayal of about 15 bystanders as a potential threat to officers was “a good idea.”

“The only issue is that nobody seemed hostile,” he said. He said he was befuddled by one sequence in testimony when Nelson asked a state investigative agent whether Floyd could be heard saying “I ate too many drugs” on a snippet of body camera video. The agent later reversed himself, saying he didn't think that was what Floyd had said.

“I didn't really understand it,” Mitchell said.

Chauvin chose not to testify, a decision Mitchell said he didn't think affected the final outcome: “I think the evidence was too much.”

Mitchell said he felt no pressure to reach a verdict that would lessen the chance of violent protests, and didn't think the other jurors did, either. He said he was only vaguely aware of the police shooting of Black motorist Daunte Wright in nearby Brooklyn Center that set off a week of raucous protest in that city in the midst of the trial.

Mitchell hid his involvement in the Chauvin trial from the kids on his basketball team, saying they knew he was on a jury but not that case. He said his mother and siblings knew.

“They wanted me to stay on the jury, so they avoided (talking about the case) like the Black Plague,” Mitchell said. He said he was relieved to now be able to talk about the case.

He was reluctant to predict what will happen to three other fired officers charged in Floyd's death: Thomas Lane, J. Kueng and Tou Thao, who all face a joint trial in August.

“Their cases are going to be very different," he said, noting Lane asking at one point whether Floyd should be turned. “It’s really hard to tell how much they really, uh, participated in the events. It’s really not as easy… as the Chauvin trial was.”

Mitchell called his participation in the trial “eye-opening” but hesitated when asked whether it had also been life-changing.

“Hopefully, it sparks a lot of change in my community,” he said.

___

Find AP’s full coverage of the death of George Floyd at: https://apnews.com/hub/death-of-george-floyd

mickeyrat · May 2021

Treated with particular cruelty': Minnesota attorney general requests severe sentence for Derek Chauvin in George Floyd killing

Michael James

USA TODAY

Minnesota's attorney general filed paperwork Friday asking that Derek Chauvin be given a more severe prison sentence in the killing of George Floyd, arguing that the former Minneapolis police officer inflicted torturous deadly methods as Floyd pleaded for his life.

Chauvin, who is scheduled to be sentenced in June for second-degree murder and other charges, abused his power as a police officer in full view of the public and while Floyd was handcuffed and crying out for his mother, state Attorney General Keith Ellison said in a legal brief filed in Minnesota's Hennepin County District Court.

“Mr. Floyd was treated with particular cruelty . . . Defendant continued to maintain his position atop Mr. Floyd even as Mr. Floyd cried out that he was in pain, even as Mr. Floyd exclaimed 27 times that he could not breathe, and even as Mr. Floyd said that Defendant’s actions were killing him,” Ellison said. He added that Chauvin stayed in position as Floyd cried out for his mother, stopped speaking and lost consciousness.

Prosecutors also wrote that Chauvin's actions "inflicted gratuitous pain" and psychological distress not just on Floyd, but the civilian bystanders who they argued will be haunted by the memory of what they saw.

Four of the people in the crowd watching Floyd die were minors, the court filing said.

Lerxst1992 · May 2021

CM189191 said:

PJNB said:

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

static111 said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.yahoo.com/amphtml/columbus-police-fatally-shoot-person-222318319.html Can’t stop won’t stop. They killed a 15 year old black girl that reportedly called them for help. How much is enough? Will it ever end?

Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

I have and I don’t.

Police shouldn't be killing anyone. I don't understand why this is a controversial statement.
We need to find a better way of policing.

In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one.

I'm not talking about a perfect world. Just every. other. nation.

It only happens here. In the US. We live in a police state. Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else. Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen. Literally any other response. Why is it always kill kill kill?

The US is a much more dangerous country than the other western nations. We have double to triple the violent crime compared to counties like Canada, UK or France. Add to that the disgusting amount of guns here, legal and illegal, and the number of places where it’s completely legal to carry a gun concealed.

Sure, in any particular example we should hope the cops can find a way to not kill, but to fix this problem, we all need to try to understand America is much different than other western democracies when it comes to crime and guns. Cops know in many cases their jobs are more like working in Syria than Fifth Avenue. Maybe Syria is hyperbole and Fifth Avenue is more dangerous than it seems because Trump could kill someone, but his people would applaud that anyway.

jerparker20 · May 2021

Well, it’s looking like there could be a chance the verdict in the Chauvin case is tossed. Possibly the whole trial.... #52 maybe should have stayed off the TV...

https://www.kstp.com/news/chauvin-attorney-files-motion-for-new-trial/6096678/?cat=1

mace1229 · May 2021

jerparker20 said:

Well, it’s looking like there could be a chance the verdict in the Chauvin case is tossed. Possibly the whole trial.... #52 maybe should have stayed off the TV...

https://www.kstp.com/news/chauvin-attorney-files-motion-for-new-trial/6096678/?cat=1

#52 was just one of a dozen reasons they have. It’s going to get retried with or without his interviews.

tempo_n_groove · May 2021

How did Jury selection miss that? Or is not enough digging done about it?

tbergs · May 2021

It's just BS from a flailing defense attorney, Big deal. I know we are all waiting for it to get tossed, but it shouldn't. It's just fear mongering and giving people a reason to start planning to riot. Let the verdict speak for itself until otherwise proven faulty.

Ledbetterman10 · May 2021

tbergs said:

It's just BS from a flailing defense attorney, Big deal. I know we are all waiting for it to get tossed, but it shouldn't. It's just fear mongering and giving people a reason to start planning to riot. Let the verdict speak for itself until otherwise proven faulty.

Who's doing the fear-mongering here? The attorney who's job it is to defend his client, and is trying to take advantage of this likely partial juror? Or you, whose mind immediately went to rioting because of it.

tbergs · May 2021

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

It's just BS from a flailing defense attorney, Big deal. I know we are all waiting for it to get tossed, but it shouldn't. It's just fear mongering and giving people a reason to start planning to riot. Let the verdict speak for itself until otherwise proven faulty.

Who's doing the fear-mongering here? The attorney who's job it is to defend his client, and is trying to take advantage of this likely partial juror? Or you, whose mind immediately went to rioting because of it.

Several on here keep saying the verdict is going to be overturned. Why? Because a juror went to an MLK remembrance march? Everybody has bias in some way. Nothing I've seen amounts to anything besides drumming up people to get upset, which would kead to rioting. I'm not fear mongering anything. I'm merely positing what is driving people to make these assertions and the most likely outcome.

Ledbetterman10 · May 2021

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

tbergs said:

It's just BS from a flailing defense attorney, Big deal. I know we are all waiting for it to get tossed, but it shouldn't. It's just fear mongering and giving people a reason to start planning to riot. Let the verdict speak for itself until otherwise proven faulty.

Who's doing the fear-mongering here? The attorney who's job it is to defend his client, and is trying to take advantage of this likely partial juror? Or you, whose mind immediately went to rioting because of it.

Several on here keep saying the verdict is going to be overturned. Why? Because a juror went to an MLK remembrance march? Everybody has bias in some way. Nothing I've seen amounts to anything besides drumming up people to get upset, which would kead to rioting. I'm not fear mongering anything. I'm merely positing what is driving people to make these assertions and the most likely outcome.

Several keep saying? Looks like two or three have speculated that maybe it's a possibility.

Halifax2TheMax · May 2021

I'm on the record as knowing it would be appealed. Of course it will be. And it'll work its way through the appeal process or not. That's our justice system. For some. And I expect a motion to be released to home confinement pending appeal, etc. Just too soon to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the overall defense strategy, to "win" or "vacate" on appeal. One can only guess as to the "dark money" backing Chauvin's defense.

tempo_n_groove · May 2021

Halifax2TheMax said:

I'm on the record as knowing it would be appealed. Of course it will be. And it'll work its way through the appeal process or not. That's our justice system. For some. And I expect a motion to be released to home confinement pending appeal, etc. Just too soon to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the overall defense strategy, to "win" or "vacate" on appeal. One can only guess as to the "dark money" backing Chauvin's defense.

Dark Money? If it's a fact he was wearing what he did and went to protest and lied about it has nothing to do with dark money. Dude lied and got caught.

Why this knowledge wasn't discovered earlier is got me baffled. Nothing stays hidden anymore so why wasn't it found?

Halifax2TheMax · May 2021

tempo_n_groove said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

I'm on the record as knowing it would be appealed. Of course it will be. And it'll work its way through the appeal process or not. That's our justice system. For some. And I expect a motion to be released to home confinement pending appeal, etc. Just too soon to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the overall defense strategy, to "win" or "vacate" on appeal. One can only guess as to the "dark money" backing Chauvin's defense.

Dark Money? If it's a fact he was wearing what he did and went to protest and lied about it has nothing to do with dark money. Dude lied and got caught.

Why this knowledge wasn't discovered earlier is got me baffled. Nothing stays hidden anymore so why wasn't it found?

Who's paying for Chauvin's defense? Yea, the juror lied about his attendance at a pro-BLM march and wearing a t-shirt. But how was the photo found and who found it? You don't think its possible the defense knew about this prior to the public? Pre-or mid trial? You don't think there's a contingent that want to see Chauvin found "not guilty" or released upon repeal? Outside of Chauvin and his friends and family? Yea, dark money, its a thing.

HughFreakingDillon · May 2021

since when is a MLK remembrance march a tribute to George Floyd?

if I'm at a pearl jam concert and a bunch of people are wearing creed shirts, did I actually go to a creed concert?

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