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    PJNB said:
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    In a perfect world I would agree but we do not live in that world. What would you suggest the officer of done in that video that would of saved all of the lives in the altercation? You have to factor in the odds of whatever you suggest not working out too and someone else being wounded or killed due to the inaction or weak response. You also have to factor in the cop is rolling up to the chaotic scene and does not have the luxury of sitting back pressing pause and weighing all of their options. That is where training comes in I guess but that was a human decision made to save a life and I think with the info we have was the right one. 





    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
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    CM189191 said:
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    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?

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    CM189191 said:
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    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?

    You bring up a great point... the US rate of incarceration alone as compared to other developed countries tells us we're doing something terribly wrong here.  
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    Chauvin was doing this for years this dirty cop should of been weeded out and fired way back ! 
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    CM189191 said:
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    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    So then, you would be ok if the police officer let the girl stab that other person and then did what exactly?  Tackle her?  Stun her?  I'm talking a specific incident and you are trying to talk about a "police state".  What would you have done as an officer in that situation?  You say "literally any response".  SO say fuck it and jump back in your police car?  Let them fight it out and see who gets the knife and stabs the most?  

    Not all these situations are the same and it's really frustrating when you have 2 factions that are always lazy about it.  Either ACAB or Blue Loves matter...never looking at each situation.
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    cincybearcat said:
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    Have you seen the video? Still think this is the same?

    I have and I don’t. 
    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
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    static111 said:
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    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    I'm sure knife-disarming happens, but in this particular incident, it looked like the stabbing was imminent. 
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    I'm sure knife-disarming happens, but in this particular incident, it looked like the stabbing was imminent. 
    So a 16 year old is not allowed to defend herself from a group of grown women?
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    static111 said:
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    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    So where did she get the knife? It was a kitchen knife, my guess is she went back inside the house to get it then returned outside for the confrontation. Does she have the right to do that? Or once inside the safety of her home should she not go back out, armed, with the intent to stab someone?
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    static111 said:
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    So a 16 year old is not allowed to defend herself from a group of grown women?
    please point to where I said anything remotely like that. 
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    static111 said:
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    So a 16 year old is not allowed to defend herself from a group of grown women?
    When actively being threatened, yes, but the person supposedly defending themself is the only active aggressor at the time the police arrive.

    This type of victim turned suspect is most common in domestic situations. Self defense is used in response to previous violence and stems from fear of future violence based on the cycle repeating itself. It's hard to prove then, even harder in this case. The girl with the knife knows the cops are there so her escalation of the incident while trying to claim self defense would have been completely bullshit. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?
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    then the foster mom should have been reported to childrens services.

    so I gather then it was the father that kicked that woman in the head
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    mickeyrat said:
    then the foster mom should have reported to childrens services.

    so I gather then it was the father that kicked that woman in the head
    Yes obviously at the minimum the foster mom should have called child services.  If instead she called grown women to threaten a child I think she deserves some serious punishment. Along with the cop rolling up guns blazing.  As so many here say when things look bad for the cops “let’s wait til we see it from both sides”.  I’m guessing we will find many people are responsible for the death of a Black minor female.
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    static111 said:
    What y’all think of this if true? Since most of the time y’all are talking about waiting for all the facts?
    My opinion does not change on how the cop reacted. He did not have access to all of this info when he was at the scene and even if he did the girl had a knife and was trying to actively stab someone with it. 

    Now if this story is true how do I feel about the situation? Pretty fucking heartbreaking. That said would this girl not have gone to jail for life for stabbing and killing the other girl if the cop does not come to her aid? 
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    dad essentially approved of his daughter fighting an adult
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    CM189191 said:
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    I'm not talking about a perfect world.  Just every. other. nation.

    It only happens here.  In the US.  We live in a police state.  Where police kill citizens with impunity and immunity.

    https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2020/06/05/policekillings/
    https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-police-compare-different-democracies
    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1124039/police-killings-rate-selected-countries/

    The police could have, and should have tried literally anything else.  Anything that wasn't pulling a gun and murdering a citizen.  Literally any other response.  Why is it always kill kill kill?
    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
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    lindamarie73 said:
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    Totally, a little ferry dust and a few unicorn farts would have been a better use Of force option here....Thank God there are Cops that are still willing to lay it all on the line for such a ungrateful public.  
    Don’t cops wear body armor? Aren’t they supposed to insert themselves in harms way, lay down their life for others? Oh no, they don’t want to get their hands dirty or their hair mussed up.

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    Fucking great I have 4 hrs left on night shift and now I have Triumph playing in my head. 
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    static111 said:
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    Yes and yes.   According to other accounts besides the official police story these were grown women harassing a 16 year old.  If that is the case that girl was absolutely justified to defend herself.  It seems like for some people the first time a Black life has ever mattered to them is when it justifies a police officer taking another one. Have you not seen the numerous videos of police in other countries disarming people with knives without using guns? Interesting that for once a 15 second video has justified something to one of the biggest proponents of “let’s wait on all the facts and not make our assumptions from a short video” on this board.  
    Always glad to wait for all the facts.  My point being is the video shown, to me, supports this being very different from most of the other recent high profile cases. 

    This is a very different situation, and jumping to the conclusion of marching in the streets seems a little premature....since you know, they don’t have all the info or, more likely, don’t care.
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