Cleveland Indians to drop "Indians" from team name after 105 years

pjhawks · December 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously though, it is about time they changed it. the logo is timeless, but super racist though.

They dropped the logo a few years ago.

For whatever reason I never saw the logo as racist. It was a caricature to me and not to be taken seriously. people losing their shit over this makes sense. People don't like change and especially with their sports teams.

Some of the other name changes that I think were ridiculous were the Pelicans. The Devil rays to Rays. The Bullets to the Wizards. The Washington Bullets was head and shoulders the coolest name for a team anywhere.

I will be petitioning Hockey and Baseball to change the name of the Devils and Angels. We should separate religion from sports. On that note, go Halos!

no offence, but that's your privilege talking. saying it makes sense that people lose their shit over losing a logo or a name meant for entertainment, but it shouldn't bother the people that it is caricaturising, is pretty tone deaf.

But was there any uproar to change the Indians name? There was some with the Redskins yes, but Indians? I don't recall seeing any.

OnWis97 · December 2020

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously though, it is about time they changed it. the logo is timeless, but super racist though.

They dropped the logo a few years ago.

For whatever reason I never saw the logo as racist. It was a caricature to me and not to be taken seriously. people losing their shit over this makes sense. People don't like change and especially with their sports teams.

Some of the other name changes that I think were ridiculous were the Pelicans. The Devil rays to Rays. The Bullets to the Wizards. The Washington Bullets was head and shoulders the coolest name for a team anywhere.

I will be petitioning Hockey and Baseball to change the name of the Devils and Angels. We should separate religion from sports. On that note, go Halos!

The Pelicans was done so the Charlotte Bobcats could get the Hornets name (and history, don't get me started). I kinda feel how you do about Devil/Rays. I also prefer the Bullets name (not to mention the uniforms) but the owner's rationale to change it, while neither "right" nor "wrong," seemed genuine.

Gern Blansten · December 2020

I'm a little stuck on "Indians". The logo was absolutely out of line.

Is Indians different from Cowboys? or Pirates?

I guess we just have to defer to the native American leaders.

Spunkie · December 2020

Now if only we could get PJ to drop the words ignorant Indians from their evolution song.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously though, it is about time they changed it. the logo is timeless, but super racist though.

They dropped the logo a few years ago.

For whatever reason I never saw the logo as racist. It was a caricature to me and not to be taken seriously. people losing their shit over this makes sense. People don't like change and especially with their sports teams.

Some of the other name changes that I think were ridiculous were the Pelicans. The Devil rays to Rays. The Bullets to the Wizards. The Washington Bullets was head and shoulders the coolest name for a team anywhere.

I will be petitioning Hockey and Baseball to change the name of the Devils and Angels. We should separate religion from sports. On that note, go Halos!

no offence, but that's your privilege talking. saying it makes sense that people lose their shit over losing a logo or a name meant for entertainment, but it shouldn't bother the people that it is caricaturising, is pretty tone deaf.

But was there any uproar to change the Indians name? There was some with the Redskins yes, but Indians? I don't recall seeing any.

I don't know, but I don't think outrage is required. there isn't really any outrage about the CFL team the Edmonton Eskimos either, but the club chose to engage in dialogue with indigenous leaders to gauge if there is an issue. they are doing the right way. not waiting for everyone to be in an uproar and then just having the appearance of "bending to the mob".

Merkin Baller · December 2020

I get the resistance to political correctness, but also came to the conclusion a while ago that since I'm not Native American, it wasn't my call as to whether or not these team names are offensive.

"Redskins" obviously had to go, as did the Chief Wahoo logo - IMO those changes were no brainers.

I'm on board with changing the name from Indians, on the premise alone of how stupid it is, but should the Blackhawks / Chiefs / Braves have to change? IDK, not for me to say.

Personally the Blackhawks jerseys are some of my favorite in the NHL, and I don't think they're offensive in the least, but again, that's not really my call to make.

rgambs · December 2020

tish said:

Now if only we could get PJ to drop the words ignorant Indians from their evolution song.

Seriously?
I mean, how can you compare satire to caricature?

rgambs · December 2020

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously though, it is about time they changed it. the logo is timeless, but super racist though.

They dropped the logo a few years ago.

For whatever reason I never saw the logo as racist. It was a caricature to me and not to be taken seriously. people losing their shit over this makes sense. People don't like change and especially with their sports teams.

Some of the other name changes that I think were ridiculous were the Pelicans. The Devil rays to Rays. The Bullets to the Wizards. The Washington Bullets was head and shoulders the coolest name for a team anywhere.

I will be petitioning Hockey and Baseball to change the name of the Devils and Angels. We should separate religion from sports. On that note, go Halos!

no offence, but that's your privilege talking. saying it makes sense that people lose their shit over losing a logo or a name meant for entertainment, but it shouldn't bother the people that it is caricaturising, is pretty tone deaf.

But was there any uproar to change the Indians name? There was some with the Redskins yes, but Indians? I don't recall seeing any.

Let's not look to Cleveland sports fans as a dependable standard on anything positive lol

MayDay10 · December 2020

pjhawks said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously though, it is about time they changed it. the logo is timeless, but super racist though.

They dropped the logo a few years ago.

For whatever reason I never saw the logo as racist. It was a caricature to me and not to be taken seriously. people losing their shit over this makes sense. People don't like change and especially with their sports teams.

Some of the other name changes that I think were ridiculous were the Pelicans. The Devil rays to Rays. The Bullets to the Wizards. The Washington Bullets was head and shoulders the coolest name for a team anywhere.

I will be petitioning Hockey and Baseball to change the name of the Devils and Angels. We should separate religion from sports. On that note, go Halos!

no offence, but that's your privilege talking. saying it makes sense that people lose their shit over losing a logo or a name meant for entertainment, but it shouldn't bother the people that it is caricaturising, is pretty tone deaf.

But was there any uproar to change the Indians name? There was some with the Redskins yes, but Indians? I don't recall seeing any.

Yes there was. It wasn't as loud because the whole Redskins deal was front and center. The logo was in the crosshairs for many years, and many protests outside the ballpark. I think MLB held the ASG carrot out there to try to prod the Dolans into eliminating the logo.

The name was the next thing. Not a huge outrage, but it was there, and something we hear about every year.

As I mentioned, the franchise is stuck in a bit of a branding purgatory without Chief Wahoo. A change is probably needed.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

I get the resistance to political correctness, but also came to the conclusion a while ago that since I'm not Native American, it wasn't my call as to whether or not these team names are offensive.

"Redskins" obviously had to go, as did the Chief Wahoo logo - IMO those changes were no brainers.

I'm on board with changing the name from Indians, on the premise alone of how stupid it is, but should the Blackhawks / Chiefs / Braves have to change? IDK, not for me to say.

Personally the Blackhawks jerseys are some of my favorite in the NHL, and I don't think they're offensive in the least, but again, that's not really my call to make.

whether the logo is deemed to be cartoonish or respectful i don't think is the only issue: it's also co-opting a culture for entertainment purposes.

Meltdown99 · December 2020

Gern Blansten said:

I fear for the Blackhawks

I forgot about the Blackhawks ... name and logo should be retired into the scrap heap of history...

Merkin Baller · December 2020

rgambs said:

tish said:

Now if only we could get PJ to drop the words ignorant Indians from their evolution song.

Seriously?
I mean, how can you compare satire to caricature?

+1

Gern Blansten · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

I get the resistance to political correctness, but also came to the conclusion a while ago that since I'm not Native American, it wasn't my call as to whether or not these team names are offensive.

"Redskins" obviously had to go, as did the Chief Wahoo logo - IMO those changes were no brainers.

I'm on board with changing the name from Indians, on the premise alone of how stupid it is, but should the Blackhawks / Chiefs / Braves have to change? IDK, not for me to say.

Personally the Blackhawks jerseys are some of my favorite in the NHL, and I don't think they're offensive in the least, but again, that's not really my call to make.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/us/chicago-blackhawks-name-spt-trnd/index.html

https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/team/native-american-initiatives

I know Chicago banned fans from wearing head dresses and war paint.

But yeah...Cheifs, Braves....doesn't seem like a slight

Gern Blansten · December 2020

Meltdown99 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I fear for the Blackhawks

I forgot about the Blackhawks ... name and logo should be retired into the scrap heap of history...

But...if it is a tribute to the war chief is it bad?

Merkin Baller · December 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

I get the resistance to political correctness, but also came to the conclusion a while ago that since I'm not Native American, it wasn't my call as to whether or not these team names are offensive.

"Redskins" obviously had to go, as did the Chief Wahoo logo - IMO those changes were no brainers.

I'm on board with changing the name from Indians, on the premise alone of how stupid it is, but should the Blackhawks / Chiefs / Braves have to change? IDK, not for me to say.

Personally the Blackhawks jerseys are some of my favorite in the NHL, and I don't think they're offensive in the least, but again, that's not really my call to make.

whether the logo is deemed to be cartoonish or respectful i don't think is the only issue: it's also co-opting a culture for entertainment purposes.

Great point.

tempo_n_groove · December 2020

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously though, it is about time they changed it. the logo is timeless, but super racist though.

They dropped the logo a few years ago.

For whatever reason I never saw the logo as racist. It was a caricature to me and not to be taken seriously. people losing their shit over this makes sense. People don't like change and especially with their sports teams.

Some of the other name changes that I think were ridiculous were the Pelicans. The Devil rays to Rays. The Bullets to the Wizards. The Washington Bullets was head and shoulders the coolest name for a team anywhere.

I will be petitioning Hockey and Baseball to change the name of the Devils and Angels. We should separate religion from sports. On that note, go Halos!

no offence, but that's your privilege talking. saying it makes sense that people lose their shit over losing a logo or a name meant for entertainment, but it shouldn't bother the people that it is caricaturising, is pretty tone deaf.

I just don't give a shit about certain things and yes I am very tone deaf. Things that bother people have zero effect on me. I know I have been working on empathy for years now.

pjhawks · December 2020

Merkin Baller said:

I get the resistance to political correctness, but also came to the conclusion a while ago that since I'm not Native American, it wasn't my call as to whether or not these team names are offensive.

"Redskins" obviously had to go, as did the Chief Wahoo logo - IMO those changes were no brainers.

I'm on board with changing the name from Indians, on the premise alone of how stupid it is, but should the Blackhawks / Chiefs / Braves have to change? IDK, not for me to say.

Personally the Blackhawks jerseys are some of my favorite in the NHL, and I don't think they're offensive in the least, but again, that's not really my call to make.

I love the Blackhawk jerseys. Especially the whites. Hope they never change those.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2020

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

seriously though, it is about time they changed it. the logo is timeless, but super racist though.

They dropped the logo a few years ago.

For whatever reason I never saw the logo as racist. It was a caricature to me and not to be taken seriously. people losing their shit over this makes sense. People don't like change and especially with their sports teams.

Some of the other name changes that I think were ridiculous were the Pelicans. The Devil rays to Rays. The Bullets to the Wizards. The Washington Bullets was head and shoulders the coolest name for a team anywhere.

I will be petitioning Hockey and Baseball to change the name of the Devils and Angels. We should separate religion from sports. On that note, go Halos!

no offence, but that's your privilege talking. saying it makes sense that people lose their shit over losing a logo or a name meant for entertainment, but it shouldn't bother the people that it is caricaturising, is pretty tone deaf.

I just don't give a shit about certain things and yes I am very tone deaf. Things that bother people have zero effect on me. I know I have been working on empathy for years now.

but what i find interesting is that you seem to empathize with those that are bothered by the logo/name change. why is that? is it because it also bothers you, or..?

tempo_n_groove · December 2020

Other names that have changed were Syracuse Orangemen and St Johns Redmen. Those 2 changed years ago.

Names that have not are The Seminoles, San Diego Aztecs.

Any others?

Meltdown99 · December 2020

Gern Blansten said:

Meltdown99 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I fear for the Blackhawks

I forgot about the Blackhawks ... name and logo should be retired into the scrap heap of history...

But...if it is a tribute to the war chief is it bad?

Black Hawk was a chief that was forced to give up land to white people ... a sport primarily played by white people are trying to convince people that the name black hawk is in honour of chief Blackhawk...

Cleveland Indians to drop "Indians" from team name after 105 years

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