Cleveland Indians to drop "Indians" from team name after 105 years

cincybearcat

tish said:

rgambs said:

tish said:

Now if only we could get PJ to drop the words ignorant Indians from their evolution song.

Seriously?  
I mean, how can you compare satire to caricature?

I'm not comparing them.

But if the lyrics said, those ignorant niggers got nothing on me, maybe I wouldn't be the only voice mentioning that using that word isn't okay.

You do realize it's him signing as an ignorant asshole right?  I mean that is the entire purpose.

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

i'm still wondering when people will stop calling indians "east indians". 

West Indian I thought?  Like west Indies is Barbados etc.

brianlux

Merkin Baller said:

Except “Indians” is not used as a pejorative towards people from India, and when used to refer to Native Americans exudes tremendous ignorance, hence the satire in the writing. 

The word Indian in and of itself is not a derogatory or offensive word. 

That's a tough one.  I use the terms, "indigenous people", First Nations", and sometimes "Native Americans", but rarely "Indians" because many indigenous Americans don't like the term "Indian".  But I've heard a number of them say "Indian" or "American Indian".  One of my favorite native writers, Sherman Alexie, used the word "Indian" in a few of his book titles.  It's sort of like n-word- OK for blacks to use it because they took the word back, same with Native Americans.

The other thing I've read is that many "Indians" don't like any of the above terms, but prefer to be referred to by their tribe- Sioux (or Assiniboine), Shoshone, Paiute, Modoc, etc.   But that get s tricky as there are 562 Native American Tribes!

gimmesometruth27

wow, that was a hard r.

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i'm still wondering when people will stop calling indians "east indians". 

West Indian I thought?  Like west Indies is Barbados etc.

people using the term east indians are almost exclusively referring to people from india, not east india, and not to distinguish from the west indies.

tempo_n_groove

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i'm still wondering when people will stop calling indians "east indians". 

West Indian I thought?  Like west Indies is Barbados etc.

people using the term east indians are almost exclusively referring to people from india, not east india, and not to distinguish from the west indies.

I have never heard anyone say that.  That is very interesting and weird, lol.

Learn something new every day.

HughFreakingDillon

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

tempo_n_groove said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i'm still wondering when people will stop calling indians "east indians". 

West Indian I thought?  Like west Indies is Barbados etc.

people using the term east indians are almost exclusively referring to people from india, not east india, and not to distinguish from the west indies.

I have never heard anyone say that.  That is very interesting and weird, lol.

Learn something new every day.

at least that's my experience. I can't imagine too many people have a clue what regions are included in the real geographical East India. 

Ledbetterman10

Cleveland Baseball Team since there’s already precedent for such a brain-dead team name. 

I mean really, how were the Redskins (excuse me, Washington Football Team) not prepared with a new team name? You’d think they’d have something in store if a name change was ever forced upon them. 

HughFreakingDillon

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cleveland Baseball Team since there’s already precedent for such a brain-dead team name. 

I mean really, how were the Redskins (excuse me, Washington Football Team) not prepared with a new team name? You’d think they’d have something in store if a name change was ever forced upon them. 

most major re-branding decisions take months or even years. 

Gern Blansten

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338327779956363265

tempo_n_groove

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338327779956363265

At the end of the day if Trump is tweeting about it I know it's on the wrong side of history...

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338327779956363265

what the fuck does that even mean, even "indians" in quotations? fuck he's stupid. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1338327779956363265

what the fuck does that even mean, even "indians" in quotations? fuck he's stupid. 

It's so stupid it is hard to comprehend.

OnWis97

Ledbetterman10 said:

Cleveland Baseball Team since there’s already precedent for such a brain-dead team name. 

I mean really, how were the Redskins (excuse me, Washington Football Team) not prepared with a new team name? You’d think they’d have something in store if a name change was ever forced upon them. 

I saw that point elsewhere..."In case of emergency, break glass."  For Washington, they were always pretty arrogant on how they'd never change and all the sudden things happened so quickly. So they didn't have a contingency and they could not really say "we know this name is a slur, so we're only going to use it for one more year." I actually like the one-year solution and hope they don't come up with something too goofy but also hope they don't just stick with WFT.

For Cleveland, I'm surprised they didn't try to keep a re-brand on the down-low, play this season out and come out next year with a ready brand. Then again, if they want season ticket holder focus groups or something, I guess that would not be possible.  It's easier for "Indians" to stick around for a year than for "R******s," particularly now that their imagery is caricature-free. (Then again, you could argue that if they can have a lame duck year with that name that they can keep it forever...maybe that's even something they still think could be an option).

tempo_n_groove

The Cleveland Drew Carry's.

That's my offering.

Weston1283

The mock Cleveland Spiders jersey/logo scheme going around the internet is incredible if you ask me

Spiritual_Chaos

The swedish hockey team Frölunda Indians is changing their logo/name too:

MayDay10

Weston1283 said:

The mock Cleveland Spiders jersey/logo scheme going around the internet is incredible if you ask me

There have been stuff I have seen for a few years that are sharp.  Not sure if it is my first choice, but I would be fine with it, mainly because it could be so, so much worse.  

As I mentioned, with the current Indians, with the inability to really have anything more than a 'c' as a logo (with a few other "C" teams in the league), they have been in purgatory as far as branding and uniforms.  They have the block C logo.  I was looking for a MLB licensed yeti koozie, and I couldnt bring myself to buy an Indians one.... and almost pulled the trigger on a few other teams.

Something like the 70s style could be possible... but really it kind of mocks N.A. 'writing' and is enhanced by a wahoo sleeve patch.  

mickeyrat

steamers or river fires is my vote

rgambs

Cleveland Lakers

Meltdown99

I say Cleveland  “the mistake by the lake” has a nice ring to it...

rgambs

Cleveland Snowflakes, for the butthurt fanbabies crying about the name change.

Hobbes

Cleveland O'Lakes

New logo:

Poncier

Hobbes said:

Cleveland O'Lakes

New logo:

Ya know, if you fold the side of the butter box just so....

cp3iverson

When NOLA gave the Hornets name back to Charlotte the “Jazz” name should’ve gone back to NOLA.  

HughFreakingDillon

should go with Ravens. i like how the v in both words kind of make it similar. 

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

should go with Ravens. i like how the v in both words kind of make it similar. 

That would never happen, it would totally alienate Browns fans. 

https://www.cleveland.com/ohio-sports-blog/2017/04/cleveland_browns_move_to_balti.html

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

Hobbes said:

Cleveland O'Lakes

New logo:

Ya know, if you fold the side of the butter box just so....

HAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! My father taught me that!!!!!

dankind

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

Hobbes said:

Cleveland O'Lakes

New logo:

Ya know, if you fold the side of the butter box just so....

HAHAHAHAHAAH!!!! My father taught me that!!!!!

Heard she liked to hang with old Red Dog.

mrussel1

As the most die hard Indians fan that you'll meet (except of course John Adams who lugs the drum into every game), I'm okay with the name changing at this point.  I don't like the Spiders, the Naps, or any of the old names.  I'd go with the Tribe. That would create continuity and the reality is, no fan is ever going to stop saying "Hey, when's the Tribe on tonight?".  They are the Tribe and they play at the Jake.  It's that simple.  
As an aside, the College of William and Mary changed their name a number of years ago to the Tribe, for the same reason.  Works fine down here.