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When I was a counselor, we had to all get out flu vaccine. No one ever batted an eye at it, especially since they gave it out for “free”. Schools require vaccinations...so I don’t see how this is going to be much different in the legal sense anyways. Businesses and schools have had a say for a while now.brianlux said:josevolution said:I’m almost certain that the hospital where I work will make it mandatory for everyone who works there to get the vaccine I have zero problem if that’s what administration decides to do!
I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case. When I worked at our local community health library that was an adjunct of Marshall Hospital, we were required to have flu vaccinations even though the library was (it has since moved) a separate building well away from any medical facilities and was library only. With COVID, I would think the requirement will be wide spread for any medical facility.Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
I ll definitely get the vaccine but I sure as hell won’t be first.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mcgruff10 said:I ll definitely get the vaccine but I sure as hell won’t be first.My feeling exactly.One of my sister's best friends is a fairly recently retired, highly respected doctor and he is advising us to not be the first to get the vaccine. I'll wait until he thinks it is safe and then get right on it. I'll keep anyone posted who is interested."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Well, therein lies the problem. If no one agrees to be “first”, what next? This is one of the issues that will drive down vaccination rates.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:I ll definitely get the vaccine but I sure as hell won’t be first.My feeling exactly.One of my sister's best friends is a fairly recently retired, highly respected doctor and he is advising us to not be the first to get the vaccine. I'll wait until he thinks it is safe and then get right on it. I'll keep anyone posted who is interested.Looked at one way, there is a similar argument of selfishness as with the mask debate, lockdowns, etc - everyone wants someone else to make a sacrifice.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Except putting on a mask won't make me shit blood or die from something unseenThe love he receives is the love that is saved0
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My thought is that it won’t be mandatory. I am sure for international travel and maybe domestic air travel it may be required to provide proof. Schools will require it like other vaccines. Will be interesting what lawsuits come from this. I don’t think Ticketmaster will be able to require it. They may try but can’t see private businesses being able to enforce it without massive lawsuits.
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. This largely impacts the elderly and those with other risk factors, so will they end up forcing children to get vaccinated if the teachers can get vaccines if they want?0 -
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Well, therein lies the problem. If no one agrees to be “first”, what next? This is one of the issues that will drive down vaccination rates.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:I ll definitely get the vaccine but I sure as hell won’t be first.My feeling exactly.One of my sister's best friends is a fairly recently retired, highly respected doctor and he is advising us to not be the first to get the vaccine. I'll wait until he thinks it is safe and then get right on it. I'll keep anyone posted who is interested.Looked at one way, there is a similar argument of selfishness as with the mask debate, lockdowns, etc - everyone wants someone else to make a sacrifice.
I understand what you are saying and have thought of that. But first of all, there are many people eager to be first, and for good reason- they are on the front lines. And secondly, I'm an older, mostly retired adult with a compromised immune system, so my first line of defense is to stay home and stay away from people, so I'm not nearly in as great a need to receive the vaccine. If I were where I was at earlier in my life- young, strong, healthy, working full time- I would be much more apt to vaccinate early. It isn't about letting someone else make the sacrifice.
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F Me In The Brain said:Except putting on a mask won't make me shit blood or die from something unseen
Depends on your mask and how often you clean it, I guess
The mask example was admittedly not a perfect parallel. The lockdown issue is a better parallel, I think.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
brianlux said:oftenreading said:
Well, therein lies the problem. If no one agrees to be “first”, what next? This is one of the issues that will drive down vaccination rates.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:I ll definitely get the vaccine but I sure as hell won’t be first.My feeling exactly.One of my sister's best friends is a fairly recently retired, highly respected doctor and he is advising us to not be the first to get the vaccine. I'll wait until he thinks it is safe and then get right on it. I'll keep anyone posted who is interested.Looked at one way, there is a similar argument of selfishness as with the mask debate, lockdowns, etc - everyone wants someone else to make a sacrifice.
I understand what you are saying and have thought of that. But first of all, there are many people eager to be first, and for good reason- they are on the front lines. And secondly, I'm an older, mostly retired adult with a compromised immune system, so my first line of defense is to stay home and stay away from people, so I'm not nearly in as great a need to receive the vaccine. If I were where I was at earlier in my life- young, strong, healthy, working full time- I would be much more apt to vaccinate early. It isn't about letting someone else make the sacrifice.
The older, immune compromised population is exactly the population being targeted for the first wave of vaccinations, as they are most at risk of bad outcomes (mortality or significant morbidity) if they get sick. The young, strong and healthy are probably going to be back of the line, except where they work in health care, are first responders, or are otherwise essential workers.
Vaccinating those most at risk first helps to alleviate much of the weight on the health system, particularly hospitals.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Good point on the mask!oftenreading said:F Me In The Brain said:Except putting on a mask won't make me shit blood or die from something unseen
Depends on your mask and how often you clean it, I guess
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oftenreading said:brianlux said:oftenreading said:
Well, therein lies the problem. If no one agrees to be “first”, what next? This is one of the issues that will drive down vaccination rates.brianlux said:mcgruff10 said:I ll definitely get the vaccine but I sure as hell won’t be first.My feeling exactly.One of my sister's best friends is a fairly recently retired, highly respected doctor and he is advising us to not be the first to get the vaccine. I'll wait until he thinks it is safe and then get right on it. I'll keep anyone posted who is interested.Looked at one way, there is a similar argument of selfishness as with the mask debate, lockdowns, etc - everyone wants someone else to make a sacrifice.
I understand what you are saying and have thought of that. But first of all, there are many people eager to be first, and for good reason- they are on the front lines. And secondly, I'm an older, mostly retired adult with a compromised immune system, so my first line of defense is to stay home and stay away from people, so I'm not nearly in as great a need to receive the vaccine. If I were where I was at earlier in my life- young, strong, healthy, working full time- I would be much more apt to vaccinate early. It isn't about letting someone else make the sacrifice.
The older, immune compromised population is exactly the population being targeted for the first wave of vaccinations, as they are most at risk of bad outcomes (mortality or significant morbidity) if they get sick. The young, strong and healthy are probably going to be back of the line, except where they work in health care, are first responders, or are otherwise essential workers.
Vaccinating those most at risk first helps to alleviate much of the weight on the health system, particularly hospitals.
That makes some sense. But if the vaccine proves to have detrimental side-effects, will older, immune compromised people be more able to deal with them or less? I'm not eager to find out. Thus, I am being very careful about how I go about the task of living and will get the vaccine as soon as can reasonably (not 100% sure, just reasonably) believe it is safe.
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A recent poll found 40% of folks say they won't get the vaccine. (Of course based on the accuracy of recent election polls that could mean anywhere from zero to 330 million folks will get itSPEEDY MCCREADY said:brianlux said:This is a tough question. I tend to bristle at being told "You have to do this!" But I guess I'd after to agree that it will have to be mandatory. What bothers me about that is that it shouldn't have to be mandatory. I would hope everyone would want to end the pandemic!Mandatory just makes sense to me. Yes, if 75% of our nation gets the vaccine, then our lives will get back to normal, finally. But what about the other 25%? They just keep spreading the virus amongst each other? And like you said, we just wait for the virus to disappear?
I would hope that you are correct and 99% of us would go and get the vaccine. But in the last 8 months I have lost all faith in human beings. What percent couldn't even put on a silly mask to protect themselves and others. Plus the countless times I have heard someone tell me "This is all BULLSHIT"
Make it mandatory.
), the good news is that number is down from 50% who said they wouldn't get it in October. Likely the positive news from Pfizer and Moderna coupled with the surge in cases has changed some minds.
At any rate we don't need everybody to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity (or herd mentality if your last name is Trump), most experts have said 70% is a good benchmark and even 60% may suffice. The virus then has far fewer hosts to infect, if 70% of folks are vaccinated and you add in those who have some level of immunity from having already been infected, cases keep decreasing and eventually become almost negligible.
That assumes the vaccines are as effective as the trials are saying.
Either way, there wont't be mandatory vaccination enforced by the gov't. Some employers (especially health care and similar) will likely make it mandatory for workers, but there is no way a mandatory vaccine flies nationwide.This weekend we rock Portland0 -
Speaking of schools it will be interesting when they allow kids to get it. Could be years from now.bootlegger10 said:My thought is that it won’t be mandatory. I am sure for international travel and maybe domestic air travel it may be required to provide proof. Schools will require it like other vaccines. Will be interesting what lawsuits come from this. I don’t think Ticketmaster will be able to require it. They may try but can’t see private businesses being able to enforce it without massive lawsuits.
It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out. This largely impacts the elderly and those with other risk factors, so will they end up forcing children to get vaccinated if the teachers can get vaccines if they want?0 -
do viruses usually peak in the spring summer and fall? If anything, covid has proved to be a persistent virus.brianlux said:SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
But there will be resistance. There are 330 million Americans? If 25 million refuse? If 50 million refuse? Then the virus just keeps on doing what it does, right? Spreads rapidly like it has for the last 8 months. And we truly never get back to normal. Hell if only 5 million refuse, then we can never fully move on with our lives, right?brianlux said:I can appreciate the concern, but I don't think it will come to that because I think most people will be eager to be vaccinated. In the 50's, almost every kid was vaccinated for polio. There were a small number of people who suffered as ill results of the vaccination, but the reduction in cases of that crippling disease far outweighed the negative results and you almost never hear anyone say that the vaccination was a bad idea. With the huge number of cases of COVID and the millions of deaths, I don't think there will be much resistance to the vaccination.I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for certain, but don't viruses eventually die out? Geez, I hope so!What's your take, Speedy? Should the vaccine be mandatory?0 -
Viruses don’t generally “die out”; they persist as long as they find hosts to infect. They can also mutate, which can make them more, or less, virulent.Lerxst1992 said:
do viruses usually peak in the spring summer and fall? If anything, covid has proved to be a persistent virus.brianlux said:SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
But there will be resistance. There are 330 million Americans? If 25 million refuse? If 50 million refuse? Then the virus just keeps on doing what it does, right? Spreads rapidly like it has for the last 8 months. And we truly never get back to normal. Hell if only 5 million refuse, then we can never fully move on with our lives, right?brianlux said:I can appreciate the concern, but I don't think it will come to that because I think most people will be eager to be vaccinated. In the 50's, almost every kid was vaccinated for polio. There were a small number of people who suffered as ill results of the vaccination, but the reduction in cases of that crippling disease far outweighed the negative results and you almost never hear anyone say that the vaccination was a bad idea. With the huge number of cases of COVID and the millions of deaths, I don't think there will be much resistance to the vaccination.I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for certain, but don't viruses eventually die out? Geez, I hope so!What's your take, Speedy? Should the vaccine be mandatory?Whether a virus peaks in the warmer months or the colder months depends on the type of virus, and probably the external membrane of the virus.Our future with covid depends on the duration of the immune response. If the majority of people who either get infected or get vaccinated develop a durable lifelong immunity, then we will eventually put SARS-CoV2 behind us, but this doesn’t seem like the most likely scenario. If immunity lasts in the order of months, then we will probably get yearly waves of infection. If immunity lasts for years, we’ll probably get sporadic waves for the foreseeable future.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Well, aren’t you a ray of sunshine?oftenreading said:
Viruses don’t generally “die out”; they persist as long as they find hosts to infect. They can also mutate, which can make them more, or less, virulent.Lerxst1992 said:
do viruses usually peak in the spring summer and fall? If anything, covid has proved to be a persistent virus.brianlux said:SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
But there will be resistance. There are 330 million Americans? If 25 million refuse? If 50 million refuse? Then the virus just keeps on doing what it does, right? Spreads rapidly like it has for the last 8 months. And we truly never get back to normal. Hell if only 5 million refuse, then we can never fully move on with our lives, right?brianlux said:I can appreciate the concern, but I don't think it will come to that because I think most people will be eager to be vaccinated. In the 50's, almost every kid was vaccinated for polio. There were a small number of people who suffered as ill results of the vaccination, but the reduction in cases of that crippling disease far outweighed the negative results and you almost never hear anyone say that the vaccination was a bad idea. With the huge number of cases of COVID and the millions of deaths, I don't think there will be much resistance to the vaccination.I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for certain, but don't viruses eventually die out? Geez, I hope so!What's your take, Speedy? Should the vaccine be mandatory?Whether a virus peaks in the warmer months or the colder months depends on the type of virus, and probably the external membrane of the virus.Our future with covid depends on the duration of the immune response. If the majority of people who either get infected or get vaccinated develop a durable lifelong immunity, then we will eventually put SARS-CoV2 behind us, but this doesn’t seem like the most likely scenario. If immunity lasts in the order of months, then we will probably get yearly waves of infection. If immunity lasts for years, we’ll probably get sporadic waves for the foreseeable future.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I will take it. And go first. At around 70% there will be herd immunity so it will die out in each country when that is achieved. Either by having covid or having vaccines.
I would prefer the oxford one because its a tried and tested method. I wont be eligible for the early ones here anyhow so will end up oxfords vaccine.
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Lerxst1992 said:
do viruses usually peak in the spring summer and fall? If anything, covid has proved to be a persistent virus.brianlux said:SPEEDY MCCREADY said:
But there will be resistance. There are 330 million Americans? If 25 million refuse? If 50 million refuse? Then the virus just keeps on doing what it does, right? Spreads rapidly like it has for the last 8 months. And we truly never get back to normal. Hell if only 5 million refuse, then we can never fully move on with our lives, right?brianlux said:I can appreciate the concern, but I don't think it will come to that because I think most people will be eager to be vaccinated. In the 50's, almost every kid was vaccinated for polio. There were a small number of people who suffered as ill results of the vaccination, but the reduction in cases of that crippling disease far outweighed the negative results and you almost never hear anyone say that the vaccination was a bad idea. With the huge number of cases of COVID and the millions of deaths, I don't think there will be much resistance to the vaccination.I'm not a doctor, so I don't know this for certain, but don't viruses eventually die out? Geez, I hope so!What's your take, Speedy? Should the vaccine be mandatory?
Rather than ask someone like me who has had no experience beyond working in a health library (which makes me an expert at nothing, though fairly skilled at research when I am feeling ambitious), let's ask, "Is there a doctor in the house?"
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Even if it’s federally approved, and backed by scientist? Why question this of all things now when for the past 6 months there’s been a demand for a cure? I really don’t get where people honestly come from in their statements. In one regard, yes let’s end this and science with fix it, the other regard science has a good solution but I’m not sure. I have no idea where the ethics of the most ethical group lay, and how what is the right thing for humanity gets questioned when it comes time for that individual to actually stand up and face the fire. I’m amused by the mental gymnastics. The government should run healthcare, but we don’t trust them?0
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Virus peak in winter. Low vit d in winter months.
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