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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,899
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,899
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    lol that has to be it 
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    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!
    How did you ever break free?
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,899
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!
    How did you ever break free?
    Lots of therapy my friend.  Believe it or not I like my scotch neat.   Craziness!!!!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 8,938
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!
    How did you ever break free?
    Lots of therapy my friend.  Believe it or not I like my scotch neat.   Craziness!!!!
    I'm with you there :) Had some cask strength Benromach last night... delicious stuff.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,899
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!
    How did you ever break free?
    Lots of therapy my friend.  Believe it or not I like my scotch neat.   Craziness!!!!
    I'm with you there :) Had some cask strength Benromach last night... delicious stuff.
    Nice!  Had a glass of glenlivet 12 last night.  Neat of course.  :)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    benjs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!
    How did you ever break free?
    Lots of therapy my friend.  Believe it or not I like my scotch neat.   Craziness!!!!
    I'm with you there :) Had some cask strength Benromach last night... delicious stuff.
    Dammit, a Scotch neat used to be MY drink. Now, it’s vicariously through you sons o’bitches :lol:
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    Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    New York authorities halt wedding expected to bring in 10,000 guests amid pandemic


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/new-york-authorities-halt-wedding-expected-to-bring-in-10-000-guests-amid-pandemic-1.5150079?cid=sm:trueanthem:ctvwindsor:post&utm_campaign=trueAnthem: Trending Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fb

    See this has nothing to do with politics.  These are a bunch of religious nut jobs.  I would say poor people who have poor access to health care and the religious nutjobs (and the US leads the world in the number of people who believe in that garbage} are likely more responsible for COVID deaths than any politicians...

    Yes, Trump is a shitty leader and is plenty responsible...but at some fucking point adults need to act responsibly...


    You blame poor people more than you blame an administration that is actively spreading dangerous misinformation to the public? 


    Really? 
    I didn’t blame poor people.  I blamed your shitty healthcare system that leaves poor people behind ... 
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    i heard on the news today that 8 kansas city hospitals were turning away ambulances last night due to increase in covid admissions. way to go, governor parson. fucking moron.
    Yeah. Not good. I have a feeling that I’ll be working from home again sometime soon. Parson is a fucking idiot.
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,507

    New York authorities halt wedding expected to bring in 10,000 guests amid pandemic


    https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/new-york-authorities-halt-wedding-expected-to-bring-in-10-000-guests-amid-pandemic-1.5150079?cid=sm:trueanthem:ctvwindsor:post&utm_campaign=trueAnthem: Trending Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fb

    See this has nothing to do with politics.  These are a bunch of religious nut jobs.  I would say poor people who have poor access to health care and the religious nutjobs (and the US leads the world in the number of people who believe in that garbage} are likely more responsible for COVID deaths than any politicians...

    Yes, Trump is a shitty leader and is plenty responsible...but at some fucking point adults need to act responsibly...


    You blame poor people more than you blame an administration that is actively spreading dangerous misinformation to the public? 


    Really? 
    I didn’t blame poor people.  I blamed your shitty healthcare system that leaves poor people behind ... 


    A shitty healthcare system which is in place because of... politicians (and their corporate donors who put profit ahead of people).

    If you want to blame the American voter for not electing better politicians, have at it, but letting politicians off the hook who have been lying to the public since day one is asinine.

    Trump didn't bring coronavirus to America, and he isn't the reason why so many Americans lead unhealthy lifestyles, but he absolutely should be held accountable for his endless lies and conspiracy theories.

    We're 8 months into this pandemic, and they still haven't come up with a nation wide testing or tracing program. THAT is a direct fault of the federal government for which they should be held accountable.

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,047
    edited October 2020
    nvm
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,168
    mfc2006 said:
    i heard on the news today that 8 kansas city hospitals were turning away ambulances last night due to increase in covid admissions. way to go, governor parson. fucking moron.
    Yeah. Not good. I have a feeling that I’ll be working from home again sometime soon. Parson is a fucking idiot.
    yeah me too. rumor going around is some of the large hospitals are looking at shutting down elective surgeries again. that would screw me for hitting quota this year. all we have to do is distance and wear masks and parson refuses. i voted against his fat ass today.
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    kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!

    Ah great, now I know what to do with my sore throat... ;)  Thanks for that!
    Hope you are staying healthy!

    Btw, do you (as a teacher) have to take a second test to confirm the first one?
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,899
    kce8 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!

    Ah great, now I know what to do with my sore throat... ;)  Thanks for that!
    Hope you are staying healthy!

    Btw, do you (as a teacher) have to take a second test to confirm the first one?
    I got two tests: the rapid test (got a call within 30 minutes) then the more advanced test.  I needed my results from the advanced test in order to go back to work.  Found out the advanced test results about 10:30 this morning.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    kce8kce8 Posts: 1,636
    edited October 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    kce8 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!

    Ah great, now I know what to do with my sore throat... ;)  Thanks for that!
    Hope you are staying healthy!

    Btw, do you (as a teacher) have to take a second test to confirm the first one?
    I got two tests: the rapid test (got a call within 30 minutes) then the more advanced test.  I needed my results from the advanced test in order to go back to work.  Found out the advanced test results about 10:30 this morning.  
      Ah ok, but both tests the same day? We have to take a second test 5 days later to confirm to be negative.


    So yesterday I took a day off bc I felt a little sick over the weekend. Today I went to work and they said I sounded sick. Just very mild symptoms that normally shouldn't be thought about.
    Well, I went home for my colleague's safety and am now waiting for a call to my doctor. I'm not allowed to appear there, I've heard that someone has to pick up the tests for me and I have to do it myself. ??? ... could take 4 to 5 days to see results and that means I will be quarantined for the rest of the week.  uhh
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    mfc2006 said:
    i heard on the news today that 8 kansas city hospitals were turning away ambulances last night due to increase in covid admissions. way to go, governor parson. fucking moron.
    Yeah. Not good. I have a feeling that I’ll be working from home again sometime soon. Parson is a fucking idiot.
    yeah me too. rumor going around is some of the large hospitals are looking at shutting down elective surgeries again. that would screw me for hitting quota this year. all we have to do is distance and wear masks and parson refuses. i voted against his fat ass today.
    I plan on doing the same when I vote today. He’s a joke.

    As for shutting down, both MO and KS are inching back towards that. I have a feeling it will happen soon.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,168
    mfc2006 said:
    mfc2006 said:
    i heard on the news today that 8 kansas city hospitals were turning away ambulances last night due to increase in covid admissions. way to go, governor parson. fucking moron.
    Yeah. Not good. I have a feeling that I’ll be working from home again sometime soon. Parson is a fucking idiot.
    yeah me too. rumor going around is some of the large hospitals are looking at shutting down elective surgeries again. that would screw me for hitting quota this year. all we have to do is distance and wear masks and parson refuses. i voted against his fat ass today.
    I plan on doing the same when I vote today. He’s a joke.

    As for shutting down, both MO and KS are inching back towards that. I have a feeling it will happen soon.
    yep, we had a conference call today with management saying they are hearing that hospitals and surgery centers in MO may shut down for the next couple of weeks. they told us to "brace for it". my company said that they will do a little quota relief for any of us that are impacted. i hope it doesn't come to shutting down, but i think we have to because our state government and our people outside of major city suburbs refuse to do anything to try to get a handle on it. so frustrating.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,899
    kce8 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    kce8 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Went to the doctor on Friday for a really bad sore throat, turns out I needed a covid test.   let me say that the test is easy as hell, the strep test they gave me first was far worse.   Covid test came back negative but I had to miss a day of work because the results didn't come back soon enough.  (got them around 10:30 am this morning)
    Must of been the ice. And there’s your preventative cure everyone, glass(es) of Cabernet with ice.
    I love it! lol
    Been drinking pinot grigio minus the ice.  You would be proud!

    Ah great, now I know what to do with my sore throat... ;)  Thanks for that!
    Hope you are staying healthy!

    Btw, do you (as a teacher) have to take a second test to confirm the first one?
    I got two tests: the rapid test (got a call within 30 minutes) then the more advanced test.  I needed my results from the advanced test in order to go back to work.  Found out the advanced test results about 10:30 this morning.  
      Ah ok, but both tests the same day? We have to take a second test 5 days later to confirm to be negative.


    So yesterday I took a day off bc I felt a little sick over the weekend. Today I went to work and they said I sounded sick. Just very mild symptoms that normally shouldn't be thought about.
    Well, I went home for my colleague's safety and am now waiting for a call to my doctor. I'm not allowed to appear there, I've heard that someone has to pick up the tests for me and I have to do it myself. ??? ... could take 4 to 5 days to see results and that means I will be quarantined for the rest of the week.  uhh
    Yes, both tests the same day.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,047
    edited October 2020
    City of Uppsala (just north of Stockholm) is advising stricter measures (first city to do so, since the new plan of local restrictions) to people living there -- Avoid communal travel, avoid visit stores etc and avoid parties (big student city).


    - We see a very unnecessary and worrying development in October, where it has risen rapidly, says infection control doctor Johan Nöjd.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Ireland will be the first EU country to return to coronavirus lockdown, Prime Minister Micheal Martin said Monday, issuing a nationwide "stay at home" order but insisting schools will stay open.

    Measures coming into effect for six weeks from midnight on Wednesday will see all non-essential retail businesses close and bars and restaurants limited to takeaway or delivery service only.

    Only essential workers will be "permitted to travel to work," he said, and citizens will be allowed out to exercise only within three miles of their residence.

    Wales will impose a two-week "fire-break" lockdown from Friday in which everybody apart from essential workers must stay at home to combat an accelerating second wave of COVID-19.

    Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford said he understood that people were tired of coronavirus restrictions but tougher rules were essential as critical care units were already full.

    "It will have to be sharp and deep in order to have the impact we need," Drakeford told reporters. "Everyone in Wales will be required to stay at home."

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    And England roll  around on the floor like a dog .
    like nothing  is happening . I seriously think  boris is unwell
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    Had another nasal swab earlier for an upcoming procedure.

    Not sure why they had signs posted saying “No photos or videos allowed”. 
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    hedonist said:
    Had another nasal swab earlier for an upcoming procedure.

    Not sure why they had signs posted saying “No photos or videos allowed”. 
    all medical information is and should remain confidential. imagine the instagram hashtag nonsense that would come out of this, and possible corona-shaming, if people were allowed cameras in the swabbing area. 
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,168
    hedonist said:
    Had another nasal swab earlier for an upcoming procedure.

    Not sure why they had signs posted saying “No photos or videos allowed”. 
    you aren't supposed to photograph or film medical workers doing their jobs. people used to try to film me all the time when I was pulling pins out of a kid's elbow or cutting off a cast. even doing post op wound care. If something goes wrong that is evidence that can be used in court.

    i hope the procedure goes well!
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    hedonist said:
    Had another nasal swab earlier for an upcoming procedure.

    Not sure why they had signs posted saying “No photos or videos allowed”. 
    you aren't supposed to photograph or film medical workers doing their jobs. people used to try to film me all the time when I was pulling pins out of a kid's elbow or cutting off a cast. even doing post op wound care. If something goes wrong that is evidence that can be used in court.

    i hope the procedure goes well!
    Me too, thanks!

    That makes sense, although I was hoping to snap a shot of myself mid-swab and teary-eyed :lol:

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    Can't we just stop this pandemic by november?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    And England roll  around on the floor like a dog .
    like nothing  is happening . I seriously think  boris is unwell
    What is the main problem in England concerning this right now?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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