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  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,852
    tbergs said:
    Talked with a co-worker who voted Trump in 2016, but has said he's undecided yet. He's a hardcore catholic so undecided is probably a loose way of saying I'm not going to say I'm voting Trump again, but he most definitely will. His assessment of last night, they were all terrible, including Wallace. So far those saying the both sides argument about last night are the same who either voted for Trump or are voting Trump. If you don't care about the facts of the evening, then you just say they both interrupted and called names. All of sudden name calling and shouting nonsense matters to Trump supporters...

    Part of the reason America is troubled, a large percentage will never vote Democrat in the name of religion,  even to vote for a man who committed campaign finance crimes that imprisoned his attorney to hide the fact he had sex with a porn star shortly after his son was born.

    Trump can live his life that way if he chooses but "religious" people voting for that is the bigger problem. And dragging a decent man (not a rock star but decent) like biden down to trumps level because its convenient to sooth their guilt.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    Biden
    tbergs said:
    Talked with a co-worker who voted Trump in 2016, but has said he's undecided yet. He's a hardcore catholic so undecided is probably a loose way of saying I'm not going to say I'm voting Trump again, but he most definitely will. His assessment of last night, they were all terrible, including Wallace. So far those saying the both sides argument about last night are the same who either voted for Trump or are voting Trump. If you don't care about the facts of the evening, then you just say they both interrupted and called names. All of sudden name calling and shouting nonsense matters to Trump supporters...

    Part of the reason America is troubled, a large percentage will never vote Democrat in the name of religion,  even to vote for a man who committed campaign finance crimes that imprisoned his attorney to hide the fact he had sex with a porn star shortly after his son was born.

    Trump can live his life that way if he chooses but "religious" people voting for that is the bigger problem. And dragging a decent man (not a rock star but decent) like biden down to trumps level because its convenient to sooth their guilt.
    christianity is sinking at a rapid pace. in a few decades the republicans will have to find some other way to manipulate the voters. cuz god won't be it. the constitution may become their new commandments. 
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    edited September 2020
    Biden
    tbergs said:
    Talked with a co-worker who voted Trump in 2016, but has said he's undecided yet. He's a hardcore catholic so undecided is probably a loose way of saying I'm not going to say I'm voting Trump again, but he most definitely will. His assessment of last night, they were all terrible, including Wallace. So far those saying the both sides argument about last night are the same who either voted for Trump or are voting Trump. If you don't care about the facts of the evening, then you just say they both interrupted and called names. All of sudden name calling and shouting nonsense matters to Trump supporters...

    Part of the reason America is troubled, a large percentage will never vote Democrat in the name of religion,  even to vote for a man who committed campaign finance crimes that imprisoned his attorney to hide the fact he had sex with a porn star shortly after his son was born.

    Trump can live his life that way if he chooses but "religious" people voting for that is the bigger problem. And dragging a decent man (not a rock star but decent) like biden down to trumps level because its convenient to sooth their guilt.
    It is baffling. I'm not catholic and don't understand it at all, never will. That said, the same co-worker turned it off after 15 minutes. I wanted to, but didn't because as mentioned in the other thread, you have to see it for yourself because you know you'll get the both sides generic argument from the Trump camp. It's their only play. I can't speak against those lies if I didn't see it and hear it for myself.

    I felt like I was a kid again sneaking to watch an adult movie when I turned on the TV at 7:55 last night. You know what you're about to see will probably be inappropriate, but you stay tuned anyway and the anticipation is nerve wracking. And then after 90 minutes, I felt dirty, used and disgusted.
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    It's a hopeless situation...
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    tbergs said:
    Talked with a co-worker who voted Trump in 2016, but has said he's undecided yet. He's a hardcore catholic so undecided is probably a loose way of saying I'm not going to say I'm voting Trump again, but he most definitely will. His assessment of last night, they were all terrible, including Wallace. So far those saying the both sides argument about last night are the same who either voted for Trump or are voting Trump. If you don't care about the facts of the evening, then you just say they both interrupted and called names. All of sudden name calling and shouting nonsense matters to Trump supporters...

    Part of the reason America is troubled, a large percentage will never vote Democrat in the name of religion,  even to vote for a man who committed campaign finance crimes that imprisoned his attorney to hide the fact he had sex with a porn star shortly after his son was born.

    Trump can live his life that way if he chooses but "religious" people voting for that is the bigger problem. And dragging a decent man (not a rock star but decent) like biden down to trumps level because its convenient to sooth their guilt.
    Better yet, change "man" to "agnostic."  I mean, I guess I don't blame them since he's server their agenda better than anyone else every has. There's just so much irony.

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    Putting this here as well:

    Interesting perspective of Trump's bad performance:
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/30/trump-debate-2020-analysis-423916

    Trump Is Not the Man He Used to Be

    Tuesday’s belligerent debate performance revealed the president has lost the confidence he had four years ago, and it will cost him.

    President Donald Trump speaks during the first presidential debate against former Vice President Joe Biden on Sept29 2020 in Cleveland Ohio

    Tim Alberta is chief political correspondent at Politico Magazine.

    Donald Trump believes, to his core, that a single event in 2016 clinched him the presidency.

    It wasn’t the FBI reopening its investigation into Hillary Clinton. It wasn’t the Wikileaks dump of hacked DNC emails. It wasn’t the published list of potential Supreme Court nominees, or the selection of Mike Pence, or Clinton’s comment about “deplorables.”

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    To Trump, the pivotal moment of the campaign was the second presidential debate. On the second Sunday in October, the Republican nominee arrived in St. Louis a dead man walking. Just 48 hours earlier, the Washington Post had publicized an old recording on which Trump boasted about grabbing women by the genitals. A number of leading Republicans publicly renounced his candidacy. Many more pleaded with the party chairman, Reince Priebus, to remove him from the ticket. The morning before the debate, Priebus warned Trump, “Either you’ll lose in the biggest landslide in history, or you can get out of the race and let somebody else run who can win.”

    But the reality TV star wasn’t going to walk away—not from such high drama, not from such huge ratings. In an interview several years later, Trump told me that he viewed the debate as an experiment in “who likes pressure.” Voters wanted to see how a prospective president would handle being tested, being pushed. Trump responded to that pressure. With his back to the wall, facing scrutiny like no presidential hopeful in memory, Trump turned in his strongest stage performance of 2016. He was forceful but controlled. He was steady, unflappable, almost carefree. Even his most noxious lines, such as suggesting that Clinton belonged in jail, were delivered with a smooth cadence and a cool smirk, as if he knew a secret that others didn’t.

    “That debate showed that I like pressure, because there was some pressure. What were the odds? Like 50-50, will he show up?” Trump told me. “That debate won me the election.”

    I happen to agree with him. At a moment of genuine crisis, with his campaign on the brink of collapse just one month before the election, Trump projected a confidence that became contagious. The calls for his ouster ceased. The party got back to work boosting his candidacy. His poll numbers began to rebound. Trump had passed the pressure test. He had stopped the bleeding in ways that kept his base intact while demonstrating a resiliency, a certain defiance, that was appealing to some voters still on the fence.

    I couldn’t stop thinking about that 2016 debate, and Trump’s subsequent analysis of it, during Tuesday night’s Cacophony in Cleveland.

    The backdrop was awfully similar. With about a month until Election Day, trailing badly in the polls and urgently in need of resurgence, the burden of performance was on Trump. He came into Tuesday saddled not with a single calamity of “Access Hollywood” proportion, but with the collective weight of a pandemic that has killed some 205,000 citizens, an economic meltdown that has put millions out of work and a racial uproar that rips at the seams of American society. Because voting has started earlier than ever, diminishing the impact of later debates, there was zero time to spare. This was the 2020 version of Trump’s pressure test.

    He failed miserably.


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    In the wake of Tuesday’s 90-minute barroom argument, many was the pundit who argued that we really shouldn’t be surprised. Trump is Trump. The hysterical norm-shattering guerilla we saw debating in Cleveland is the same hysterical norm-shattering guerilla we saw coming down the escalator in Manhattan. The manic president on stage was no different than the manic president on Twitter.

    But this isn’t quite right. In reality, the candidate we saw Tuesday night—the worn, restless, curmudgeonly incumbent of 2020—bore little resemblance to the loose, rollicking, self-assured candidate of 2016. It might be hard to remember through the fog of these past four years, but the animating sentiment for Trump during his first run for the presidency wasn’t hatred or division. It was fun. He was having the time of his life. Nothing Trump had ever experienced had showered him with so much attention, so much adulation, so much controversy and coverage. He loved every moment of it. Even in the valleys of that campaign, such as Access Hollywood weekend, Trump found humor in razzing Rudy Giuliani or making jokes about Karen Pence. Even when he was lashing out against Clinton or the media or the Never Trump Republicans, he was enjoying himself.

    The president wasn’t enjoying himself last night. There was no mischievous glint in his eye, no mirthful vibrancy in his demeanor. He looked exhausted. He sounded ornery. Gone was the swagger, the detached smirk, that reflected bottomless wells of confidence and conviction. Though described by Tucker Carlson in Fox News’ pregame show as an “instinctive predator,” Trump behaved like cornered prey—fearful, desperate, trapped by his own shortcomings and the circumstances that exposed them. He was a shell of his former dominant self.

    It was shocking to witness. Whereas Trump four years ago was unemotional in his approach to Clinton, placid almost to the point of appearing sedated, he was twitchy and agitated from the opening moments of Tuesday’s debate. The president shouted and seethed and flailed his arms in fury, his face pulsating ever brighter hues of citrus. For all the talk of Trump throwing Biden off his game, it was Biden—and moderator Chris Wallace—who stirred such conniptions in the president that he was unable to meet the bare minimums. Despite being prepared for the obvious questions, Trump was so inflamed that he could not offer the vague outlines of a health care plan or denounce white supremacists with more than a single word—“Sure”—when gifted multiple opportunities to do so.

    On the debate stage, Trump has long benefited from a commanding presence, an intimidating persona, that compensates for his lack of policy knowledge. This was the story of his success in the Republican primary season: He was never going to be the smartest kid in class, but he was always going to be the strongest. And yet, Trump didn’t come across as strong Tuesday night. He came across as spooked and insecure. The president who graduated from Wharton made fun of his opponent for getting bad grades. The president who is charged with guiding his country through a pandemic mocked the idea of wearing an oversized face mask. The president who promised to Make America Great Again depicted the U.S. (without evidence) as a failed state that can’t run a legitimate election.

    Trump has lived his adult life by the gospel of Norman Vincent Peale and his mega-selling book, The Power of Positive Thinking. It preaches that there are no obstacles, only opportunities, and that overcoming them is a matter of belief and affirmative visualization. Watching the president on Tuesday night felt like watching someone losing his religion. Trump could not overpower Biden or Wallace any more than he could overpower Covid-19 or the cascading job losses or the turmoil engulfing American cities. For the first time in his presidency, Trump appeared to recognize that he had been overtaken by events. His warnings about the aftermath of the election doubled for his own political fate: “This is not going to end well.”

    Facing pressure unlike any he has ever faced, the president of the United States came unglued. If his campaign for reelection fails, Trump cannot blame any one particular culprit. He can, however, look back on Tuesday’s debate as the bookend of his presidency, a moment in our history every bit as politically and psychologically significant as the one four years earlier.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    Damn!  I spent 10 minutes writing a post about the debate and hit "post" and in that time the thread was closed.  WTF?
    You were 2020’ed 

    Better than being 51/50'd  :lol:
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  • mickeyrat
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,371
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    “I don’t know who Proud Boys are. But whoever they are they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work,” Trump told reporters as he left the White House for a campaign stop in Minnesota.



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  • dignin
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    mickeyrat said:
    “I don’t know who Proud Boys are. But whoever they are they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work,” Trump told reporters as he left the White House for a campaign stop in Minnesota.



    That comment made me think of this

    Some of those that work forces
    Are the same that burn crosses
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    Biden’s camp:  request several times in the last few w weeks that there be two 30 minute breaks during tonight’s debate, one after the first 30 mins and the second after the next 30 mins.

    trump camp refuses.

    trump camp: requests both trump and Biden undergo drug tests.

    biden camp refuses.

    trump camp: requests that trump and Biden have a quick check for electronic aids such as ear pieces before the start of the event.

    Biden camp refuses.

    This is going to be very entertaining.  Biden would make an excellent Walmart greeter, jury is still out about prez.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    “I don’t know who Proud Boys are. But whoever they are they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work,” Trump told reporters as he left the White House for a campaign stop in Minnesota.



    there is probably photographic and/or recorded phone call evidence of trump meeting with proud boys, yet he doesn't know who they are. i totally believe him, eyeroll...
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,371
    edited October 2020
    Biden
    easily seen as vote buying but with taxpayer money .....
    thaf food box stuff. man classless and tacky and completely on brand....

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    First scientific poll post debate.  Biden +13  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/biden-leads-polls-voters-say-he-beat-trump-in-first-debate.html

    What's interesting is that 98% said the debates did not change their mind, yet this same poll had Biden +9 a few weeks ago.  So something changed.  
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    First scientific poll post debate.  Biden +13  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/biden-leads-polls-voters-say-he-beat-trump-in-first-debate.html

    What's interesting is that 98% said the debates did not change their mind, yet this same poll had Biden +9 a few weeks ago.  So something changed.  
    probably a different sample.

    waiting for trump to tweet and call cnbc fake news.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    Biden
    The monster is saying he won't agree to any debate rule changes because he won so strongly the first time. 
    :tongue:
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
    Kat said:
    The monster is saying he won't agree to any debate rule changes because he won so strongly the first time. 
    :tongue:
    Putrid human being! I can’t believe people support him really unbelievable..
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,050
    Biden
    Kat said:
    The monster is saying he won't agree to any debate rule changes because he won so strongly the first time. 
    :tongue:
    pretty much whatever he says, the 180 degree opposite is the truth.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    Biden
    Kat said:
    The monster is saying he won't agree to any debate rule changes because he won so strongly the first time. 
    :tongue:
    Good.  No one needs to see him anymore.  More airtime for Joe.  It would be great to see Donny cower and back out.  
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,371
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:
    “I don’t know who Proud Boys are. But whoever they are they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work,” Trump told reporters as he left the White House for a campaign stop in Minnesota.



    there is probably photographic and/or recorded phone call evidence of trump meeting with proud boys, yet he doesn't know who they are. i totally believe him, eyeroll...

    well Jr seems to know who they are.....


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    First scientific poll post debate.  Biden +13  https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/biden-leads-polls-voters-say-he-beat-trump-in-first-debate.html

    What's interesting is that 98% said the debates did not change their mind, yet this same poll had Biden +9 a few weeks ago.  So something changed.  
    probably a different sample.

    waiting for trump to tweet and call cnbc fake news.
    Yes it's not a tracking poll, but it was +8 before the +9. So something changed.  Of course the taxes and other madness could have made them decide before the debate. 

    I think we'll see a Biden bump.