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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Kamala doesn't get "destroyed" by either, unless you believe that thinking Tupac is still alive is of national concern and puts you "out of touch."
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  • static111
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Kamala doesn't get "destroyed" by either, unless you believe that thinking Tupac is still alive is of national concern and puts you "out of touch."
    I think he maybe means that Kamala doesn't have the strong support of Biden.  She did finish last in the crop of primary candidates and wasn't chosen by the electorate.  Could lead to some people being disaffected. But no I don't think for a second she would get Destroyed...would it narrow the race? Absolutely
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Kamala doesn't get "destroyed" by either, unless you believe that thinking Tupac is still alive is of national concern and puts you "out of touch."
    I think he maybe means that Kamala doesn't have the strong support of Biden.  She did finish last in the crop of primary candidates and wasn't chosen by the electorate.  Could lead to some people being disaffected. But no I don't think for a second she would get Destroyed...would it narrow the race? Absolutely
    I mean that she's a woman of color.  That's all I meant. She's also a bit of an unknown. Yeah, she kind of has a bit of a "cool factor" (particularly compared to the other three codgers), but as you point out, she never really gained a lot of traction in the primaries. And finally, I think it would bug people to have to choose someone that was never meant to be at the top of the ticket.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    Bidens are negative for COVID...
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  • josevolution
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    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Uhmm No
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  • The Juggler
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Bidens are negative for COVID...
    Biden is too strong for Covid. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    Bidens are negative for COVID...
    Relieved...

    My gut reaction was to say "now offer to debate from two separate places."  But he has to be more sensitive to potential symptoms that Trump may get.
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  • jerparker20
    jerparker20 St. Paul, MN Posts: 2,529
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    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    Biden
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    He should be very afraid. She knows her stuff.
    Good news that VPJoe and Jill are ok. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh, I think she's going to carve him up at the debate...but I don't think a fairly unknown woman of color getting bumped up to the top of the ticket would fare well in the election.  Thankfully, Joe tested negative.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Biden
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
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  • brianlux
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    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens

    Yes, I think so!
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Biden
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    onwis is referring to electability, not debatability. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
  • HughFreakingDillon
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    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    you think? pence will be calm as a cucumber for sure, but i don't see him being that effective. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Another vulnerability for her is her time as California DA where she locked up a lot of people (mostly black) for marijuana charges, and fought to keep nonviolent offenders locked up. Trump has done the opposite, commuting a few thousand sentences of nonviolent offenders (likely for political reasons, but still). Another one is Harris tweeting support of that "Freedom Fund" that was meant to help "protesters" during the George Floyd riots get bail. There may be more to it than that, but Pence will likely point to it as evidence that she's willing to put people in jail for marijuana, yet wants to help rioters and looters. Some fuel for his inevitable "radial left" talking points. 

    Pence has the unenviable task of trying to defend Trump, which his impossible at times. But at this point, everyone knows how shitty Trump is so Pence will just spout some time-filling bullshit before getting back on the offensive. Really, it's Harris that will be "on trail" here, so to speak. So like you said, slight advantage to Pence, but I don't know how much VP debates even matter. Though Harris and Pence will probably come off more competent than Biden and Trump (because they are), so that may register with some voters. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Didn't see that coming out of you. 

    I just think she's sharper and quicker than he is.  True, Pence is above the "Trump Bar" but I don't think he has much personality and I think he'll wilt a bit if she gets pointed...her role will be to put him on the spot but don't do anything to get labeled in ways that women tend to get labeled ("nasty" or too emotional).

    As for those issues, they seem like a wash.  I think she'll be better-able to articulate why the "S" word isn't a big issue.  Not to mention that issues are hardly even important.
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  • The Juggler
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    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    jerparker20 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I just hope Biden didn't catch it during the 88 minutes of ranting Trump did in that 90-minute debate.  Because Kamala gets destroyed by Trump or Pence. 
    Go watch footage of Harris during senate hearings. She has zero issues putting people to the fire and seems to have a good BS meter. Guarantee she makes Pence uncomfortable and on the ropes in their debate. 
    Oh yeah...this will be new territory for Pence.  Tim Kaine is no Kamala and Kamala is used to interrogating the shit out of people.

    It's going to be beautiful.
    She's going to demolish Pence.....if that debate even happens
    Pence will be more deliberate and effective at bringing up the further left positions that Harris staked out during her campaign.  She is far more vulnerable than Biden was to the "socialism" charges.  Harris will force Pence to defend Trump's actions and behaviors.  I think slight advantage Pence in this one.  
    Didn't see that coming out of you. 

    I just think she's sharper and quicker than he is.  True, Pence is above the "Trump Bar" but I don't think he has much personality and I think he'll wilt a bit if she gets pointed...her role will be to put him on the spot but don't do anything to get labeled in ways that women tend to get labeled ("nasty" or too emotional).

    As for those issues, they seem like a wash.  I think she'll be better-able to articulate why the "S" word isn't a big issue.  Not to mention that issues are hardly even important.
    Yeah I just think she will handle herself real well. She's a prosecutor. I thought she did real well in the debates last year too.
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