Riots/Looting/Violence and general post-George Floyd madness

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    mace1229 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I thought this was fake when I first saw it. Nope.
    Here it is so people don’t have to click the link. Talk about ridiculous. 

    Thanks. Didn’t know it came out like that. Let’s see if I can do it right this time.



    Damn, dude.  Dark Humor.
    But much as I hate to admit it, it did make me laugh!

    mace1229 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I thought this was fake when I first saw it. Nope.
    Here it is so people don’t have to click the link. Talk about ridiculous. 

    "Protesters were mostly peaceful as many were seen roasting marshmallows on skewers made from their sign sticks.  Back to you, Kaitlin."


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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    So Rand Paul was harassed by a group of people after the RNC. They were chanting “say her name” at him in regards to Breonna Taylor. 

    https://twitter.com/bgonthescene/status/1299217655816216576?s=21

    In June, he introduced the “Justice For Breonna Taylor” bill that would prohibit no-knock search warrants. 

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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,811
    Rand Paul, man of the people?
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,220
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I thought this was fake when I first saw it. Nope.
    Here it is so people don’t have to click the link. Talk about ridiculous. 

    Absolutely laughable. And I get mocked for linking nypost articles, like any of these partisan outlets are any better. “Fiery but mostly peaceful”. Disgraceful 
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    nicknyr15 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I thought this was fake when I first saw it. Nope.
    Here it is so people don’t have to click the link. Talk about ridiculous. 

    Absolutely laughable. And I get mocked for linking nypost articles, like any of these partisan outlets are any better. “Fiery but mostly peaceful”. Disgraceful 
    There was a hail of gunfire, but overall “mostly peaceful”
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    cutz said:







    Those tweets are disgusting. Vilifying the murder victims.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2020
    dignin said:
    cutz said:







    Those tweets are disgusting. Vilifying the murder victims.
    In most cases I would agree, but I have a hard time having empathy for someone that has a “sexual assault of a minor” history.  
    What are the odds that all three random people shot in that group have nasty criminal records?  Bunch of deplorables out there that night...all around.  And the criminal with a handgun that got shot in the arm is going to have some “splainin’’’ to do.  Could be interesting to watch him get grilled on the witness stand.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    dignin said:
    cutz said:







    Those tweets are disgusting. Vilifying the murder victims.
    Was any of it inaccurate?  Lots of winners out that night.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    Rot in jail.

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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Glorified KC said:
    Rot in jail.

    Do we know if he will be tried as an adult?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    edited August 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    Rot in jail.

    Do we know if he will be tried as an adult?
    "The most serious charge, first-degree intentional homicide, is punishable by life imprisonment."
    https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/08/27/906901940/kenosha-shooting-suspect-charged-with-six-criminal-counts-including-homicide


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  • PJPOWER
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    Glorified KC said:
    Rot in jail.

    Hopefully the parents that armed their 17 year old for battle get some stiff penalties too.  It was what seemed like an extreme trailer park brawl taking place out there.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,829
    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    Rot in jail.

    Do we know if he will be tried as an adult?
    Was trying to find what the 6 charges are and found this: "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system"

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/kenosha-alleged-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-charges
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited August 2020
    He likely will face those charges as an adult. I'm not sure how the system works out there, but here in Pennsylvania, the juvenile probation office would request a "Certification Hearing" to "certify him" up to adult court. The JPO office would argue why they think he should be certified, and his defense attorney would argue against it. It'd be a pretty easy case to certify given not only his age, but the nature of the offense, and fact that he drove some distance to get there. The defense attorney will make some sort of mental health argument and request an evaluation. It won't help his case though. He very much knew what he was doing. 

    Edit: Well this is all moot considering Mace's post above stating "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."
    Post edited by Ledbetterman10 on
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    cutz said:







    Those tweets are disgusting. Vilifying the murder victims.
    Was any of it inaccurate?  Lots of winners out that night.
    I don't know, do you? You see it on twitter so it must be true.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    He likely will face those charges as an adult. I'm not sure how the system works out there, but here in Pennsylvania, the juvenile probation office would request a "Certification Hearing" to "certify him" up to adult court. The JPO office would argue why they think he should be certified, and his defense attorney would argue against it. It'd be a pretty easy case to certify given not only his age, but the nature of the offense, and fact that he drove some distance to get there. The defense attorney will make some sort of mental health argument and request an evaluation. It won't help his case though. He very much knew what he was doing. 

    Edit: Well this is all moot considering Mace's post above stating "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."
    I’m thinking that the weapons charges will stick.  The 1st degree intentional homicide, I’m not sure.  Still surprised we haven’t heard more about charges of “contributing to delinquency of a minor” or something similar on the parents.
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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,994
    edited August 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    He likely will face those charges as an adult. I'm not sure how the system works out there, but here in Pennsylvania, the juvenile probation office would request a "Certification Hearing" to "certify him" up to adult court. The JPO office would argue why they think he should be certified, and his defense attorney would argue against it. It'd be a pretty easy case to certify given not only his age, but the nature of the offense, and fact that he drove some distance to get there. The defense attorney will make some sort of mental health argument and request an evaluation. It won't help his case though. He very much knew what he was doing. 

    Edit: Well this is all moot considering Mace's post above stating "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."
    I’m thinking that the weapons charges will stick.  The 1st degree intentional homicide, I’m not sure.
    Yeah the weapons chargres definitley. I'm not sure about 1st degree homicide either. 
    Post edited by Ledbetterman10 on
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  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    He likely will face those charges as an adult. I'm not sure how the system works out there, but here in Pennsylvania, the juvenile probation office would request a "Certification Hearing" to "certify him" up to adult court. The JPO office would argue why they think he should be certified, and his defense attorney would argue against it. It'd be a pretty easy case to certify given not only his age, but the nature of the offense, and fact that he drove some distance to get there. The defense attorney will make some sort of mental health argument and request an evaluation. It won't help his case though. He very much knew what he was doing. 

    Edit: Well this is all moot considering Mace's post above stating "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."
    I’m thinking that the weapons charges will stick.  The 1st degree intentional homicide, I’m not sure.
    Yeah the weapons chargres definitley. I'm not sure about 1st degree homicide either. 
    I'm pretty cynical any murder charge will stick to this kid as well. 

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  • Ledbetterman10
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    Glorified KC said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    He likely will face those charges as an adult. I'm not sure how the system works out there, but here in Pennsylvania, the juvenile probation office would request a "Certification Hearing" to "certify him" up to adult court. The JPO office would argue why they think he should be certified, and his defense attorney would argue against it. It'd be a pretty easy case to certify given not only his age, but the nature of the offense, and fact that he drove some distance to get there. The defense attorney will make some sort of mental health argument and request an evaluation. It won't help his case though. He very much knew what he was doing. 

    Edit: Well this is all moot considering Mace's post above stating "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."
    I’m thinking that the weapons charges will stick.  The 1st degree intentional homicide, I’m not sure.
    Yeah the weapons chargres definitley. I'm not sure about 1st degree homicide either. 
    I'm pretty cynical any murder charge will stick to this kid as well.  
    Well the argument that I've been making suggesting he will be convicted is that he broke several serious gun laws. So if you're breaking gun laws, and you end up shooting and killing someone, maybe that can be murder because you shouldn't have had the gun to begin with.

    The argument his defense attorney will certainly make is that in both shootings, at least by the videos I've seen, the person he shot was aggressively charging at him. Let's be real, that's probably exactly what he wanted. And he might have even verbally provoked an attack in hopes he'd have a reason to shoot. But that's unclear at this point. 
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  • static111
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    He likely will face those charges as an adult. I'm not sure how the system works out there, but here in Pennsylvania, the juvenile probation office would request a "Certification Hearing" to "certify him" up to adult court. The JPO office would argue why they think he should be certified, and his defense attorney would argue against it. It'd be a pretty easy case to certify given not only his age, but the nature of the offense, and fact that he drove some distance to get there. The defense attorney will make some sort of mental health argument and request an evaluation. It won't help his case though. He very much knew what he was doing. 

    Edit: Well this is all moot considering Mace's post above stating "Under Wisconsin law, anyone 17 or older is treated as an adult in the criminal justice system."
    I’m thinking that the weapons charges will stick.  The 1st degree intentional homicide, I’m not sure.
    Yeah the weapons chargres definitley. I'm not sure about 1st degree homicide either. 
    I'm pretty cynical any murder charge will stick to this kid as well.  
    Well the argument that I've been making suggesting he will be convicted is that he broke several serious gun laws. So if you're breaking gun laws, and you end up shooting and killing someone, maybe that can be murder because you shouldn't have had the gun to begin with.

    The argument his defense attorney will certainly make is that in both shootings, at least by the videos I've seen, the person he shot was aggressively charging at him. Let's be real, that's probably exactly what he wanted. And he might have even verbally provoked an attack in hopes he'd have a reason to shoot. But that's unclear at this point. 
    At what point is a person allowed to fear for their life and be aggressive toward a vigilante with an AR or other long rifle? Especially someone that fits a profile of a white domestic terrorist school shooter type?
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