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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Biden
    someone mentioned yard signs earlier and since this was not directly related to the post i did not quote it.

    interesting story. i live in a pretty nice suburban neighborhood. it is quiet and all of the neighbors are friendly and helpful. there is an elderly couple caddy corner to me that always talks to me when i go get my mail or bring in my trash cans or whatever. they have been critical of trump's corona response. about a week ago i got home from work and they had a brand new trump pence 2020 sign in their yard. i was a little puzzled by this. the next day when i was leaving for work i noticed that the sign had been taken down. 

    i am not sure if they took it down themselves, or if someone in the neighborhood did it. i have not seen them outside to be able to ask them.

    i am wondering if the trump campaign is just putting up signs in the yards of their 2016 voters or if supporters have to request them and put them up themselves.

    at any rate, i am seeing more trump signs around here than i did in 2016. i am not sure if that is indicative of anything, but i am definitely scratching my head as to what these people have seen the last 4 years to make them want to support trump in 2020.
    I doubt the campaign is just putting yard signs in people’s yards without permission, but anything is possible. Your last comments are exactly why I am concerned. I would say mostly in rural areas, and not only signs, it’s the Trump flags, and they are everywhere. I don’t even want to mention what the channel looks like when it’s packed with boaters heading out to the lake.

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,078
    Biden
    Hi! said:
    someone mentioned yard signs earlier and since this was not directly related to the post i did not quote it.

    interesting story. i live in a pretty nice suburban neighborhood. it is quiet and all of the neighbors are friendly and helpful. there is an elderly couple caddy corner to me that always talks to me when i go get my mail or bring in my trash cans or whatever. they have been critical of trump's corona response. about a week ago i got home from work and they had a brand new trump pence 2020 sign in their yard. i was a little puzzled by this. the next day when i was leaving for work i noticed that the sign had been taken down. 

    i am not sure if they took it down themselves, or if someone in the neighborhood did it. i have not seen them outside to be able to ask them.

    i am wondering if the trump campaign is just putting up signs in the yards of their 2016 voters or if supporters have to request them and put them up themselves.

    at any rate, i am seeing more trump signs around here than i did in 2016. i am not sure if that is indicative of anything, but i am definitely scratching my head as to what these people have seen the last 4 years to make them want to support trump in 2020.
    I doubt the campaign is just putting yard signs in people’s yards without permission, but anything is possible. Your last comments are exactly why I am concerned. I would say mostly in rural areas, and not only signs, it’s the Trump flags, and they are everywhere. I don’t even want to mention what the channel looks like when it’s packed with boaters heading out to the lake.
    the administration is lawless and the campaign is helping kanye west spoil things for biden. do you think the campaign is going to think twice about planting signs in yards without permission?
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  • mickeyrat
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  • Hi!
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    Hi! said:
    someone mentioned yard signs earlier and since this was not directly related to the post i did not quote it.

    interesting story. i live in a pretty nice suburban neighborhood. it is quiet and all of the neighbors are friendly and helpful. there is an elderly couple caddy corner to me that always talks to me when i go get my mail or bring in my trash cans or whatever. they have been critical of trump's corona response. about a week ago i got home from work and they had a brand new trump pence 2020 sign in their yard. i was a little puzzled by this. the next day when i was leaving for work i noticed that the sign had been taken down. 

    i am not sure if they took it down themselves, or if someone in the neighborhood did it. i have not seen them outside to be able to ask them.

    i am wondering if the trump campaign is just putting up signs in the yards of their 2016 voters or if supporters have to request them and put them up themselves.

    at any rate, i am seeing more trump signs around here than i did in 2016. i am not sure if that is indicative of anything, but i am definitely scratching my head as to what these people have seen the last 4 years to make them want to support trump in 2020.
    I doubt the campaign is just putting yard signs in people’s yards without permission, but anything is possible. Your last comments are exactly why I am concerned. I would say mostly in rural areas, and not only signs, it’s the Trump flags, and they are everywhere. I don’t even want to mention what the channel looks like when it’s packed with boaters heading out to the lake.
    the administration is lawless and the campaign is helping kanye west spoil things for biden. do you think the campaign is going to think twice about planting signs in yards without permission?
    Lol, hell no, I was just guessing in that particular case. 

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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
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    Kat said:
    They're trying to have a big show for the Sept./Oct. surprise that's coming and it seems that Mitt Romney doesn't like conspiracy theories.



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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    I'm sitting this one out
    mickeyrat said:
    @rgambs has a YouTube channel?
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  • Hi!
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  • The Juggler
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    Early polling is favorable of the Harris pick-
    https://morningconsult.com/2020/08/13/kamala-harris-vp-polling/

    Voters See Harris as More Moderate Than Trump or Pence

    Slim majority approves of Biden’s choice, which generated more buzz than 2016 Tim Kaine pick

    Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), former Vice President Joe Biden's newly selected running mate, speaks Wednesday at a campaign rollout event in Delaware. New polling shows most voters approve of her selection, which has generated significantly more buzz and enthusiasm than Sen. Tim Kaine, Hillary Clinton's VP pick four years ago. (Drew Angerer/Getty Images)
    • 37% of voters heard “a lot” about presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden’s selection of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) as his running mate; 17% heard a lot about the Kaine pick four years ago.

    • After hearing about Harris’ background and policy positions, 53% approved her selection.

    • Following the pick, 50% of likely voters said they had a favorable view of Biden, his highest rating since mid-June.

    While President Donald Trump and his re-election campaign have sought to brand Sen. Kamala Harris, the newly named Democratic vice presidential candidate, as a radical liberal, that framing is being met with some initial skepticism among voters, new Morning Consult/Politico polling shows.

    The poll, conducted the day after former Vice President Joe Biden selected the California Democrat as his running mate, found that voters placed Harris just to Biden’s ideological left — and to the right of where voters placed Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) in a Morning Consult poll conducted early this year.

    The Trump campaign’s attempt to frame Harris as a radical who would be the one actually pulling the strings in a Biden administration also faces another roadblock: Trump and Vice President Mike Pence are perceived as more extreme than either candidate on the Democratic ticket and, by a smaller margin, are further from voters’ ideal candidates, according to another ideological test conducted by Morning Consult last month.

    The Wednesday poll of 1,990 registered voters, which had a margin of error of 2 percentage points, also found that Harris’ policy record — including her support for raising taxes on the rich and placing restrictions on gun ownership, as well as her implementation of racial bias training for police officers while serving as San Francisco’s district attorney — inspired the most positive reception.  

    Less powerful were messages regarding her age (55 years old), her Christian denomination (Baptist) and her college alma mater (Howard University, a historically Black university in Washington, D.C.). More than 3 in 5 voters said the biographical traits had no impact on their views. 

    The strongest knocks against Harris had to do with immigration policies: 42 percent said her support for providing undocumented immigrants with government-funded health care gave them them a less favorable view of the California Democrat, while 41 percent said the same of her support for decriminalizing illegal border crossings. Her backing of both issues was indicated in hand-raise questions during a June 2019 Democratic primary debate highlighted this week by the Trump campaign.

    After hearing more than two dozen contentions for and against Harris, 53 percent of voters — including 86 percent of self-identified liberals, 84 percent of Democrats and a 48 percent plurality of independents — said they approved of Biden’s decision, statistically unchanged from the answers received prior to the message test. 

    The news of Harris’ placement on Biden’s ticket made a bigger initial splash than Hillary Clinton’s selection of Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) as her running mate against Trump in 2016. In Harris’ first full day on the ticket, 37 percent of voters said they had seen, read or heard “a lot” about Biden’s selection, compared with 17 percent who said they’d heard a lot about Clinton’s choice four years ago

    The news had strongest resonance among Democrats, 45 percent of whom heard a lot about it (up 24 points from the 2016 announcement), while a third of Republicans and 27 percent of independent voters said the same. 

    Democrats were pleased with Biden’s selection: 88 percent said it made them hopeful, and roughly 4 in 5 said it made them confident, proud, happy or excited. Among Black voters and liberals, the sentiment was roughly the same. While Trump has portrayed Harris as a candidate who will weaken Biden, calling her “my No. 1 draft pick,” nearly half of Republicans (45 percent) said they were worried by Biden’s choice.

    Harris was already a prominent figure in American politics, with 79 percent of voters at least recognizing her name in a survey conducted ahead of Biden’s selection. The latest survey found 94 percent of voters had heard of her following the announcement, and 45 percent view her favorably (up 12 points) while 37 percent hold unfavorable views (up 3 points). 

    Morning Consult polling of 3,820 likely voters conducted Wednesday found 50 percent have favorable views of Biden and 46 percent have unfavorable views, his best marks since mid-June. That survey also has a 2-point margin of error. 

    Like Biden, Harris is more popular than Trump or Pence, and more than half of moderate voters (52 percent) and a plurality of suburban voters (45 percent) have favorable views of her.

    Researchers have repeatedly found vice presidential nominees have little impact on the outcome of elections, though some in Trump’s orbit have suggested that 2020 may defy that as they raise questions about Biden’s age and whether or not he’ll seek a second term.

    The survey found that for half of voters (49 percent), Biden’s choice would make no impact on their vote. It was most likely to have a “major impact” for Black Americans (43 percent), who turned out at a lower rate in 2016 for the first time in 20 years.

    And while research has shown that voters are not the best arbiters of their own intentions, the survey also found Harris has swayed more voters in the immediate aftermath of her selection than Kaine did four years ago: By a 10-point margin, voters said they were now more likely than less likely to vote for Biden, compared with a 5-point positive impact on voting intent following Clinton’s VP pick four years ago.  

    Morning Consult’s daily tracking of the contest found Biden leads Trump 51 percent to 43 percent among likely voters, statistically unchanged from polling conducted ahead of the announcement.

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  • cincybearcat
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    Hi! said:
    someone mentioned yard signs earlier and since this was not directly related to the post i did not quote it.

    interesting story. i live in a pretty nice suburban neighborhood. it is quiet and all of the neighbors are friendly and helpful. there is an elderly couple caddy corner to me that always talks to me when i go get my mail or bring in my trash cans or whatever. they have been critical of trump's corona response. about a week ago i got home from work and they had a brand new trump pence 2020 sign in their yard. i was a little puzzled by this. the next day when i was leaving for work i noticed that the sign had been taken down. 

    i am not sure if they took it down themselves, or if someone in the neighborhood did it. i have not seen them outside to be able to ask them.

    i am wondering if the trump campaign is just putting up signs in the yards of their 2016 voters or if supporters have to request them and put them up themselves.

    at any rate, i am seeing more trump signs around here than i did in 2016. i am not sure if that is indicative of anything, but i am definitely scratching my head as to what these people have seen the last 4 years to make them want to support trump in 2020.
    I doubt the campaign is just putting yard signs in people’s yards without permission, but anything is possible. Your last comments are exactly why I am concerned. I would say mostly in rural areas, and not only signs, it’s the Trump flags, and they are everywhere. I don’t even want to mention what the channel looks like when it’s packed with boaters heading out to the lake.
    the administration is lawless and the campaign is helping kanye west spoil things for biden. do you think the campaign is going to think twice about planting signs in yards without permission?
    So which conspiracy theories are ok to believe again?  
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  • The Juggler
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    Report: Jared Kushner Met With Kanye West Last Week


    Jared Kushner, President Trump’s son-in-law and senior advisor, met in private with Kanye West in Colorado last weekend, the New York Times reported, fueling speculation about a link between the Trump and West campaigns as the rapper scrambles to get onto the ballot in several states.

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    KEY FACTS

    West tweeted about the meeting on Twitter Tuesday night but did not elaborate about details in a follow-up interview with the Times.


    Multiple outlets reported that GOP political operatives—some with links to Trump—are working to help West get on the ballot in at least half a dozen states, driving speculation that the rapper could be coordinating with the Trump campaign to spoil Joe Biden’s shot at the White House.

    In an interview with Forbes last week, West seemed to indicate his presidential run was in part driven by a motivation to damage Biden’s chances: “I’m not denying it; I just told you,” West said.


    West is working to meet requirements to get on the ballot in several states, but due to missed deadlines, it is mathematically impossible for West to win enough votes (270) in the Electoral College. 

    Kushner met with West while traveling with his wife, Ivanka, who accompanied her husband to the meeting, the Times reports.

    West was camping with his family at the time, but West’s spouse, Kim Kardashian West, did not participate in the meeting.

    KEY BACKGROUND

    West failed to garner enough signatures to appear on the ballot in California, missing last week’s deadline. Even if West wins out in the states he has qualified for—which include Arkansas, West Virginia, Ohio, Vermont Oklahoma, Illinois, Colorado and Missouri—and states with upcoming filing deadlines, he would not have enough Electoral College votes to capture the White House. West could still have an outsize impact on the race, however, in battleground states, playing spoiler to Trump or Biden. West is slated to appear on the ballot in Ohio, traditionally a battleground state, and has filed paperwork to appear on the ballot in Wisconsin, a state Trump won by less than one point in 2016.

    TANGENT

    The Wisconsin state Democratic party challenged West’s election filing in the state, arguing the paperwork was submitted late and included phony signatures. Milwaukee bank attorney Joseph Santeler filed a second challenge in the state, making the same objections as the state party. West’s campaign says the rapper still deserves to be on the ballot in Wisconsin despite filing the paperwork 14 seconds late.

    WHAT TO WATCH FOR

    West could also appear on the ballot in Arizona, Minnesota and Georgia, which all have upcoming filing deadlines and could prove crucial to Trump or Biden.

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  • Hi!
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    Biden
    I’ve had some drive thru experiences like this, lol. I wonder if they got chili. A triple classic? Kim probably got a frosty. 

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tmz.com/2020/07/27/kim-kardashian-visits-kanye-west-in-wyoming/

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  • Hi!
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    edited August 2020
    Biden
    Earlier I had an interesting lesson on union printers, fundraising, and received some information regarding campaign paraphernalia and it’s ineffectiveness compared to return for your dollar investment. I have decided that it’s really not that important, but maybe I just use it to measure campaign enthusiasm, but shouldn’t necessarily use that as the tell all of where the campaign is at in terms of polling ect.
    And to what gimmie had said earlier, I’m actually more inclined to believe that could actually be happening. 
    Post edited by Hi! on

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  • nicknyr15
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    Hi! said:
    someone mentioned yard signs earlier and since this was not directly related to the post i did not quote it.

    interesting story. i live in a pretty nice suburban neighborhood. it is quiet and all of the neighbors are friendly and helpful. there is an elderly couple caddy corner to me that always talks to me when i go get my mail or bring in my trash cans or whatever. they have been critical of trump's corona response. about a week ago i got home from work and they had a brand new trump pence 2020 sign in their yard. i was a little puzzled by this. the next day when i was leaving for work i noticed that the sign had been taken down. 

    i am not sure if they took it down themselves, or if someone in the neighborhood did it. i have not seen them outside to be able to ask them.

    i am wondering if the trump campaign is just putting up signs in the yards of their 2016 voters or if supporters have to request them and put them up themselves.

    at any rate, i am seeing more trump signs around here than i did in 2016. i am not sure if that is indicative of anything, but i am definitely scratching my head as to what these people have seen the last 4 years to make them want to support trump in 2020.
    I doubt the campaign is just putting yard signs in people’s yards without permission, but anything is possible. Your last comments are exactly why I am concerned. I would say mostly in rural areas, and not only signs, it’s the Trump flags, and they are everywhere. I don’t even want to mention what the channel looks like when it’s packed with boaters heading out to the lake.
    the administration is lawless and the campaign is helping kanye west spoil things for biden. do you think the campaign is going to think twice about planting signs in yards without permission?
    So which conspiracy theories are ok to believe again?  
    I’d like to know too. 
  • The Juggler
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    Biden
    You guys think Kanye running to help Trump is a conspiracy theory? Please explain. 
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  • Hi!
    Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Biden
    You guys think Kanye running to help Trump is a conspiracy theory? Please explain. 
    Like Trump, he’s pissed Obama called him a jackass. I don’t know that it helps Trump. I feel like it could backfire and get very messy. 

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  • The Juggler
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    Hi! said:
    You guys think Kanye running to help Trump is a conspiracy theory? Please explain. 
    Like Trump, he’s pissed Obama called him a jackass. I don’t know that it helps Trump. I feel like it could backfire and get very messy. 
    What do you mean? He has specifically said he is running to hurt Biden. His campaign is being propped up by republican operatives who are helping him get his name on the ballots in swing states....illegally, by forging a bunch of signatures. And he met with Jared Kushner last week to discuss "policy" stuff. There's no conspiracy. They're telling you what they're doing. 
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  • Hi!
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    Biden
    Hi! said:
    You guys think Kanye running to help Trump is a conspiracy theory? Please explain. 
    Like Trump, he’s pissed Obama called him a jackass. I don’t know that it helps Trump. I feel like it could backfire and get very messy. 
    What do you mean? He has specifically said he is running to hurt Biden. His campaign is being propped up by republican operatives who are helping him get his name on the ballots in swing states....illegally, by forging a bunch of signatures. And he met with Jared Kushner last week to discuss "policy" stuff. There's no conspiracy. They're telling you what they're doing. 
    I know, right? They just do it in plain site. I don’t know man, I don’t think people are buying it. I hope not anyway.

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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,604
    edited August 2020
    https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/13/united-states-postal-service-confirmed-it-has-removed-mailboxes-in-portland-and-eugene/
    They’ve started removing mailboxes, he’s going to try every way possible to cheat himself a 2nd term! What an American ha 
    Post edited by josevolution on
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,363
    Biden
    https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/13/united-states-postal-service-confirmed-it-has-removed-mailboxes-in-portland-and-eugene/
    They’ve started removing mailboxes, he’s going to try every way possible to cheat himself a 2nd term! What an American ha 
    Yeah, but what if it works?
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    Hi! said:
    someone mentioned yard signs earlier and since this was not directly related to the post i did not quote it.

    interesting story. i live in a pretty nice suburban neighborhood. it is quiet and all of the neighbors are friendly and helpful. there is an elderly couple caddy corner to me that always talks to me when i go get my mail or bring in my trash cans or whatever. they have been critical of trump's corona response. about a week ago i got home from work and they had a brand new trump pence 2020 sign in their yard. i was a little puzzled by this. the next day when i was leaving for work i noticed that the sign had been taken down. 

    i am not sure if they took it down themselves, or if someone in the neighborhood did it. i have not seen them outside to be able to ask them.

    i am wondering if the trump campaign is just putting up signs in the yards of their 2016 voters or if supporters have to request them and put them up themselves.

    at any rate, i am seeing more trump signs around here than i did in 2016. i am not sure if that is indicative of anything, but i am definitely scratching my head as to what these people have seen the last 4 years to make them want to support trump in 2020.
    I doubt the campaign is just putting yard signs in people’s yards without permission, but anything is possible. Your last comments are exactly why I am concerned. I would say mostly in rural areas, and not only signs, it’s the Trump flags, and they are everywhere. I don’t even want to mention what the channel looks like when it’s packed with boaters heading out to the lake.
    Signs and flags don't win elections. Votes do. I used to live in a solidly blue district, and Repug signs outnumbered Dem signs every election. They like outward tokens like that, the bigger the better, just like their damn statues. Notice the Trump signs are always oversized and garishly in your face. Just like them. Don't let it fool you.
    Post edited by what dreams on