Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Gern Blansten

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

I appreciate your honesty but you never had me fooled, thus I'm not surprised. Vote 3rd party or whoever you like, leave the POTUS box blank. It's 'Murica after all.

I appreciate your appreciation. I knew posting this on this board would be a opening a can of shit and pouring it on myself. But I am being honest.

And I did vote for Hillary. I really did. 

Which makes not voting for Biden make even less sense

JimmyV

Biden

Kamala being put forth as a reason why someone won't now vote for Biden is a great example of why I believe many "undecided" voters are full of it. Many know exactly what they are or are not going to do, they just haven't settled on a proper justification for it. Not being willing to admit how one is going to vote doesn't make one an undecided voter.

Ledbetterman10

Biden

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything...

...but I always find things like the bold fascinating.  Why would you feel guilty?  I infer from this that it means you want Biden to win.  Most third-party voters will never admit to having a preference on who wins between the two candidates with a chance. But they often say things like this. Are you admitting you hope Biden wins but you just can't vote for him (and that's not a wrong answer and if you say "yes" I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I don't have it in me spend effort on such things)?

This is the take I have on it too. I voted third part in '08 for kind of the same reason, because Sarah Palin was an abomination of a choice. But I felt fine with my choice because I was confident that neither Mccain nor Obama would not steer the country further into the ground. He already has admitted that Trump is a terrible president. 

To go third part this time around, especially in a state that could end up determining the winner is mind blowing to me. I don't see this country recovering from a second term of Donald Trump. If @Ledbetterman10 can live with playing a role in the demise of our democracy, then have at it. 

I also don't understand his flip flopping on his Texas prediction. I never thought Biden would win there, but he did. And it seems it was all predicated on Biden choosing Warren, Rice, or Bass for his running mate? Really? Yeah, I dunno about that...

Well I sent this in a PM to OnWis97 because I wanted to answer his question, but be done with this thread so I don't keep getting the same sort of responses over and over and over in this thread, but hell, since ya tagged me, I'll just copy and paste by message to him after he asked if I admit I want Biden to win. I said to him....

"To a degree, yes. I know Donald Trump is corrupt, immoral, and beholden to nobody but himself. I'm not stupid. And it's not that "can't" vote for Biden. I just don't want to. I didn't want to vote for him anyway but my dislike of Harris put it over the top. I believe you should vote for whoever you want to vote for, and vote for that person for whatever reason you want. I'm conservative so Trump's awfulness is the only reason I entertain voting for the democrats. I actually did vote for Hillary because I felt she could do the job. Biden though really does seem like a walking corpse at this point and, in my opinion, will only be president in title. The influence that not only Harris, but far-left influencers can have on him isn't to my liking. Especially after watching how democratic-led major cities have been run over the past few years. I'm not sure I want to see that on a federal level. That's not enough to get me to vote for Trump, but it's enough for me to not vote for Biden."

And I think Harris will hurt him in Texas. That's why I'm flipping my prediction. And what you mean "I never thought Biden would win there, but he did." He did? I know you LOVE polls, but him leading right now in the polls isn't the same as him winning. Don't go getting ahead of yourself, folks. 

"He did" meaning YOU did think he would win. I don't and never did. He's not winning Texas with or without Harris. And none of the other VP options would've made a difference either way.

Your vote, your choice. Like I said, as long as you're cool with doing your part with electing Trump, then you're the one who has to live with it. Good luck with allll that!

Oh I got ya. Yeah I thought he could win Texas.

The Juggler

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything...

...but I always find things like the bold fascinating.  Why would you feel guilty?  I infer from this that it means you want Biden to win.  Most third-party voters will never admit to having a preference on who wins between the two candidates with a chance. But they often say things like this. Are you admitting you hope Biden wins but you just can't vote for him (and that's not a wrong answer and if you say "yes" I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I don't have it in me spend effort on such things)?

This is the take I have on it too. I voted third part in '08 for kind of the same reason, because Sarah Palin was an abomination of a choice. But I felt fine with my choice because I was confident that neither Mccain nor Obama would not steer the country further into the ground. He already has admitted that Trump is a terrible president. 

To go third part this time around, especially in a state that could end up determining the winner is mind blowing to me. I don't see this country recovering from a second term of Donald Trump. If @Ledbetterman10 can live with playing a role in the demise of our democracy, then have at it. 

I also don't understand his flip flopping on his Texas prediction. I never thought Biden would win there, but he did. And it seems it was all predicated on Biden choosing Warren, Rice, or Bass for his running mate? Really? Yeah, I dunno about that...

Well I sent this in a PM to OnWis97 because I wanted to answer his question, but be done with this thread so I don't keep getting the same sort of responses over and over and over in this thread, but hell, since ya tagged me, I'll just copy and paste by message to him after he asked if I admit I want Biden to win. I said to him....

"To a degree, yes. I know Donald Trump is corrupt, immoral, and beholden to nobody but himself. I'm not stupid. And it's not that "can't" vote for Biden. I just don't want to. I didn't want to vote for him anyway but my dislike of Harris put it over the top. I believe you should vote for whoever you want to vote for, and vote for that person for whatever reason you want. I'm conservative so Trump's awfulness is the only reason I entertain voting for the democrats. I actually did vote for Hillary because I felt she could do the job. Biden though really does seem like a walking corpse at this point and, in my opinion, will only be president in title. The influence that not only Harris, but far-left influencers can have on him isn't to my liking. Especially after watching how democratic-led major cities have been run over the past few years. I'm not sure I want to see that on a federal level. That's not enough to get me to vote for Trump, but it's enough for me to not vote for Biden."

And I think Harris will hurt him in Texas. That's why I'm flipping my prediction. And what you mean "I never thought Biden would win there, but he did." He did? I know you LOVE polls, but him leading right now in the polls isn't the same as him winning. Don't go getting ahead of yourself, folks. 

"He did" meaning YOU did think he would win. I don't and never did. He's not winning Texas with or without Harris. And none of the other VP options would've made a difference either way.

Your vote, your choice. Like I said, as long as you're cool with doing your part with electing Trump, then you're the one who has to live with it. Good luck with allll that!

Oh I got ya. Yeah I thought he could win Texas.

I edited my post after you responded. Biden's not actually leading Texas right now anyway:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/texas/

The Juggler

Biden

I have a feeling the Kamala pick increases the odds of them replacing Pence....

Ledbetterman10

Biden

Gern Blansten said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

I appreciate your honesty but you never had me fooled, thus I'm not surprised. Vote 3rd party or whoever you like, leave the POTUS box blank. It's 'Murica after all.

I appreciate your appreciation. I knew posting this on this board would be a opening a can of shit and pouring it on myself. But I am being honest.

And I did vote for Hillary. I really did. 

Which makes not voting for Biden make even less sense

Well Hillary was smart and very capable of leading. Biden is a shell of himself. No way he'll be actually in charge. 

And yes, I know, Trump is also incapable of leading. That's why I'm not voting for him. And yes, I know what the means so you don't have to give me the third-party voting explanation. 

Gern Blansten

Biden

The Juggler said:

I have a feeling the Kamala pick increases the odds of them replacing Pence....

yeah....I wouldn't be surprised if Pence learns about it by tweet too

Ledbetterman10

Biden

JimmyV said:

Kamala being put forth as a reason why someone won't now vote for Biden is a great example of why I believe many "undecided" voters are full of it. Many know exactly what they are or are not going to do, they just haven't settled on a proper justification for it. Not being willing to admit how one is going to vote doesn't make one an undecided voter.

Well you can think whatever you want, man. I'm a conservative that only entertains voting for the democrat cause Trump sucks. Biden is a washed-up fool that I didn't want to vote for, but I would've sucked it up if not for Kamala Harris. I don't like her. And if Biden (who will likely win) dies or resigns, I'm not going to like Harris being President. So fuck off with your "not settling on a proper justification for it" bullshit. The only justification I had (and many people have) for considering voting for Biden in the first place is he's not Trump. So it wasn't hard to lose my vote by picking the only person he could've picked that would've lost it. 

Ledbetterman10

Biden

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

OnWis97 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything...

...but I always find things like the bold fascinating.  Why would you feel guilty?  I infer from this that it means you want Biden to win.  Most third-party voters will never admit to having a preference on who wins between the two candidates with a chance. But they often say things like this. Are you admitting you hope Biden wins but you just can't vote for him (and that's not a wrong answer and if you say "yes" I'm not going to try to convince you of anything. I don't have it in me spend effort on such things)?

This is the take I have on it too. I voted third part in '08 for kind of the same reason, because Sarah Palin was an abomination of a choice. But I felt fine with my choice because I was confident that neither Mccain nor Obama would not steer the country further into the ground. He already has admitted that Trump is a terrible president. 

To go third part this time around, especially in a state that could end up determining the winner is mind blowing to me. I don't see this country recovering from a second term of Donald Trump. If @Ledbetterman10 can live with playing a role in the demise of our democracy, then have at it. 

I also don't understand his flip flopping on his Texas prediction. I never thought Biden would win there, but he did. And it seems it was all predicated on Biden choosing Warren, Rice, or Bass for his running mate? Really? Yeah, I dunno about that...

Well I sent this in a PM to OnWis97 because I wanted to answer his question, but be done with this thread so I don't keep getting the same sort of responses over and over and over in this thread, but hell, since ya tagged me, I'll just copy and paste by message to him after he asked if I admit I want Biden to win. I said to him....

"To a degree, yes. I know Donald Trump is corrupt, immoral, and beholden to nobody but himself. I'm not stupid. And it's not that "can't" vote for Biden. I just don't want to. I didn't want to vote for him anyway but my dislike of Harris put it over the top. I believe you should vote for whoever you want to vote for, and vote for that person for whatever reason you want. I'm conservative so Trump's awfulness is the only reason I entertain voting for the democrats. I actually did vote for Hillary because I felt she could do the job. Biden though really does seem like a walking corpse at this point and, in my opinion, will only be president in title. The influence that not only Harris, but far-left influencers can have on him isn't to my liking. Especially after watching how democratic-led major cities have been run over the past few years. I'm not sure I want to see that on a federal level. That's not enough to get me to vote for Trump, but it's enough for me to not vote for Biden."

And I think Harris will hurt him in Texas. That's why I'm flipping my prediction. And what you mean "I never thought Biden would win there, but he did." He did? I know you LOVE polls, but him leading right now in the polls isn't the same as him winning. Don't go getting ahead of yourself, folks. 

"He did" meaning YOU did think he would win. I don't and never did. He's not winning Texas with or without Harris. And none of the other VP options would've made a difference either way.

Your vote, your choice. Like I said, as long as you're cool with doing your part with electing Trump, then you're the one who has to live with it. Good luck with allll that!

Oh I got ya. Yeah I thought he could win Texas.

I edited my post after you responded. Biden's not actually leading Texas right now anyway:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/texas/

In full disclosure (which I'm doing too much of today), I did check a poll and see that Trump had taken a lead before I changed my prediction. 

The Juggler

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

JimmyV said:

Kamala being put forth as a reason why someone won't now vote for Biden is a great example of why I believe many "undecided" voters are full of it. Many know exactly what they are or are not going to do, they just haven't settled on a proper justification for it. Not being willing to admit how one is going to vote doesn't make one an undecided voter.

Well you can think whatever you want, man. I'm a conservative that only entertains voting for the democrat cause Trump sucks. Biden is a washed-up fool that I didn't want to vote for, but I would've sucked it up if not for Kamala Harris. I don't like her. And if Biden (who will likely win) dies or resigns, I'm not going to like Harris being President. So fuck off with your "not settling on a proper justification for it" bullshit. The only justification I had (and many people have) for considering voting for Biden in the first place is he's not Trump. So it wasn't hard to lose my vote by picking the only person he could've picked that would've lost it. 

But Harris is not as liberal as some of the other women who were considered. That's what is odd about your reasoning.

Warren or Bass are a lot more liberal than her, I believe. It does seem like personality is playing more of a choice here....

Ledbetterman10

Biden

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JimmyV said:

Kamala being put forth as a reason why someone won't now vote for Biden is a great example of why I believe many "undecided" voters are full of it. Many know exactly what they are or are not going to do, they just haven't settled on a proper justification for it. Not being willing to admit how one is going to vote doesn't make one an undecided voter.

Well you can think whatever you want, man. I'm a conservative that only entertains voting for the democrat cause Trump sucks. Biden is a washed-up fool that I didn't want to vote for, but I would've sucked it up if not for Kamala Harris. I don't like her. And if Biden (who will likely win) dies or resigns, I'm not going to like Harris being President. So fuck off with your "not settling on a proper justification for it" bullshit. The only justification I had (and many people have) for considering voting for Biden in the first place is he's not Trump. So it wasn't hard to lose my vote by picking the only person he could've picked that would've lost it. 

But Harris is not as liberal as some of the other women who were considered. Warren or Bass are a lot more liberal than her, I believe. It does seem like personality is playing more of a choice here....

Absolutely

gimmesometruth27

Biden

i would vote the pile of dog shit on my sidewalk before voting for trump. there is absolutely nothing trump can do to get my vote besides have russia steal it.

static111

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

I understand where you are coming from being upset with the VP pick, but not where you are coming from thinking Kamala is left.  To me Kamala is the most conservative of the field that we were told about.  Not my top pick as I would prefer a liberal.  I'm still voting for Biden, But I would never shame you or anyone else for not voting Biden.  

The Juggler

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

JimmyV said:

Kamala being put forth as a reason why someone won't now vote for Biden is a great example of why I believe many "undecided" voters are full of it. Many know exactly what they are or are not going to do, they just haven't settled on a proper justification for it. Not being willing to admit how one is going to vote doesn't make one an undecided voter.

Well you can think whatever you want, man. I'm a conservative that only entertains voting for the democrat cause Trump sucks. Biden is a washed-up fool that I didn't want to vote for, but I would've sucked it up if not for Kamala Harris. I don't like her. And if Biden (who will likely win) dies or resigns, I'm not going to like Harris being President. So fuck off with your "not settling on a proper justification for it" bullshit. The only justification I had (and many people have) for considering voting for Biden in the first place is he's not Trump. So it wasn't hard to lose my vote by picking the only person he could've picked that would've lost it. 

But Harris is not as liberal as some of the other women who were considered. Warren or Bass are a lot more liberal than her, I believe. It does seem like personality is playing more of a choice here....

Absolutely

Okay. The liberal stuff with her won't fly when so many liberals aren't happy. That's part of the reason Trump is having a hard time defining her right now...

Ledbetterman10

Biden

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

I understand where you are coming from being upset with the VP pick, but not where you are coming from thinking Kamala is left.  To me Kamala is the most conservative of the field that we were told about.  Not my top pick as I would prefer a liberal.  I'm still voting for Biden, But I would never shame you or anyone else for not voting Biden.  

I appreciate that. But no, I don't think she's "left." She's certainly the closest to Biden of any of the Dems that ran in the primary. It's her I don't like...not her policies per se.

Here's a quick summary of my dislike for Harris...

-It started with grandstanding bullshit during a Senate hearing when she was questioning an ICE agent (during the "kids in cages" fiasco). She said to him "There's a perception out there that ICE is akin to the KKK, what do you have to say about that?" That's fucking Trump-level bullshit. "A lot of people are saying...." is a Trumpism. Why not say "I, Kamala Harris, think you, ICE, are akin to the KKK" and then provide a reason. Own it. Don't hide behind this "there's a perception of" shit when you're likening law enforcement officers to the KKK. That's outrageous. 

-More race-baiting. I hated the Biden bussing thing during the debate, and calling him out for working with segregationists on legislation. Joe Biden has been as big an ally to the African American community as anybody. But in an attempt to  get a leg up in a primary, she's going to portray him as racist? 

-When Biden had that BS sexual assault allegation against him, she didn't defend him. She said she believed the accusers. Some law-enforcement official she is. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? 

-Pandering on a radio show about how she used to smoke weed (despite locking up so many black people for weed offenses) and saying she'd smoke while listening to Snoop Dogg in college. She graduated college before Snoop Dogg ever released a song. 

-Just her overall vibe is unlikeable to me. And apparently to the democratic electorate too since she dropped out of the primary prior to the first vote. 

josevolution

cincybearcat said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

dankind said:

Well, I cannot change my answer to the poll officially, but I am no longer sitting this one out. 

Voting for Kamala!

I’ll trade ya poll selections. 

Aren't you PA?

Yeah, Joe lost a swing-vote. I'll be voting third party. Kamala was the deal-breaker for me. Rice, Warren, or whoever would've been fine, I guess.

Might as well just get this out of the way in one post, rather than hanging around here putting on a façade that I'll voting for Biden. I don't feel a voter is obligated to vote for anyone. Rather, I feel it's the obligation of the candidate to earn the voter's vote. And the Democrats in general, and Biden in particular, have done nothing to earn my vote (neither have Trump and the GOP for that matter). I know, to vote third-party in Pennsylvania is to the benefit of Trump. Well it's too bad that the system sucks and you can not vote for someone (I won't be voting for Trump) and it can still benefit that person. And really, despite the fact that I don't like the Democratic Party (or liberalism in general), and I think Biden is a walking corpse and puppet, I was still willing to vote for him, unless he picked Harris. 

So what's my beef with Harris you may ask. Well I don't like her grandstanding, her race-baiting, or the fact that she locked up so many people for marijuana offenses. I just in general don't like her. Now you might also ask, what about Trump? A simple search through my posts over the past two or so weeks will show that I've said on a few occasions that Trump is the worst president ever, which he is. I don't like him either. So I'm not going to vote for either. I didn't like John Kerry, but I voted for him because Bush was the worst president ever (or so I was told at the time). I didn't like Hillary, but I voted for her because Trump is Trump. I done with that stuff. I'm voting for candidates I like. I don't like Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, or Mike Pence. And I'm not going to be guilt-tripped into voting for Biden based on Trump's historic awfulness. Though, I will feel a bit a guilt as I waste my vote on some third-party candidate or goofy write-in vote. But I'd rather feel guilty for wasting a vote than feel like a whore for voting for someone I dislike...again. 

Also, I don't think my Biden winning Texas prediction is going to pan-out now. 

You really going to make your pick based on the VP?

This is as clear an election as there has ever been.  You either vote Biden or you are ok with the disaster that is Trump.  You are ok with Russian interference.  You are ok with Russians putting bounties on American soldiers.  You are ok with race baiting.  You are ok with 160,000 and climbing dead.

This isn't an election about policy differences.  It's an election about decency, morals, and true America first over a narcissist out only for himself. 

Please re-think your vote.  If it was simply policy differences, I think voting 3rd party is ok, but still not advised.  But this is much, much more than this.

You nailed it! 

josevolution

A vote for 3rd party is a vote for the baffoon no? Like Gimmie said I’d vote for a pile of dog shit before ever voting for the current idiot!

OnWis97

Biden

Generally speaking, I don't pick on VP, either...but this could be an exception.  Joe's not looking like a guy who's going to serve four years...

The Juggler

Biden

I would like to point out that telling someone that their non vote for Trump is a vote for Trump is not "shaming" them. lol. 

It's just sort of stating the obvious...

josevolution

The Juggler said:

I would like to point out that telling someone that their non vote for Trump is a vote for Trump is not "shaming" them. lol. 

It's just sort of stating the obvious...

I thought the same!