Kamala Harris - VP Pick

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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American

    Oops sorry.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,447
    edited August 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    To me, it makes a lot of sense. If the average voter isn't highly invested in these talks, Kamala Harris can be presented as a liberal (AG in California, helped request more money to help the state in 2008, etc.), but can also be presented as a conservative (law & order, has had rulings that aren't wholly liberal). Stating the obvious, she has dark skin, is female, is a daughter to two immigrants, would be a pioneer in a number of categories, and would represent an underdog story that's easy to get behind. Depending on your perspective, you may see some of these things as an asset, and others as a liability - but the liability can easily be ignored behind her conservative background and tough demeanour. 
    At the end of the day - it's clear that she's a good listener, it's clear that she's smart, and it's clear that she's principled. All other faults won't matter.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,067
    Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
  • cincybearcat
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    someone is clearly suffering from SDS
    Soros 
    Derangement 
    Syndrome

    Or as it is referred to in the DMS -IV....


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  • Merkin Baller
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    Is $26 million raised in the last 24 hours a lot of money? It seems like a lot of money. 

  • F Me In The Brain
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    Cliffy6745 said:
    Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
    Agree but would move that up to 100%
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
    Do Jamaicans consider themselves African Caribbean?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,778
    mcgruff10 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
    Do Jamaicans consider themselves African Caribbean?  

    Seems I've heard some of them refer to themselves as Yardies.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • mickeyrat
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    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
    Oh please stop, I was just wondering.  Moving on.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    what dreams said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
    Oh please stop, I was just wondering.  Moving on.  
    Stop why? I'm trying to understand both your question and the premise behind it, and you're not giving me much to go on.
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  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,271
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    haha. My dad said the same thing last night, only instead of bucket of hair, he said can of peas.

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,878
    i got a chill when biden introduced her yesterday. i thought her speech was really effective too.

    this is the ticket. 
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  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    edited August 2020
    GlowGirl said:
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    haha. My dad said the same thing last night, only instead of bucket of hair, he said can of peas.

    The universal line could be "I'd be okay if he nominated (container) of (inanimate object) as his running mate."

    Post edited by Glorified KC on
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  • gimmesometruth27
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    predictably, trump called her a "nasty" woman.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,192
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick.  I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......

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