Kamala Harris - VP Pick

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  • The Juggler
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    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
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  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
    I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region.  Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them.  The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.

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  • Glorified KC
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    Actually I'll correct my statement a bit.  If he chose this person as VP, that would probably hurt his chances.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
    I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region.  Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them.  The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.


    If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.

    If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.


    Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.

  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    Merkin Baller said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
    I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region.  Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them.  The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.


    If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.

    If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.


    Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.

    I'm enthusiastic too that she is on the ticket.  If you're like me though, your mind was already made up before she was named VP.

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  • The Juggler
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    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
    I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region.  Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them.  The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.

    I agree.

    Also Biden is from Scranton, PA. It's pretty rust belty up there, trust me!
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Glorified KC said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
    I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region.  Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them.  The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.


    If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.

    If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.


    Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.

    I'm enthusiastic too that she is on the ticket.  If you're like me though, your mind was already made up before she was named VP.


    I think the overwhelming majority of voters' minds have been made up for some time now.
  • oftenreading
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    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 
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  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,073
    edited August 2020
    Merkin Baller said:
    Glorified KC said:
    Merkin Baller said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
    I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region.  Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them.  The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.


    If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.

    If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.


    Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.

    I'm enthusiastic too that she is on the ticket.  If you're like me though, your mind was already made up before she was named VP.


    I think the overwhelming majority of voters' minds have been made up for some time now.
    My mind was made up November 9, 2016 - this guy has to go.

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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,072
    edited August 2020
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    PI’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative.  I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal.  She was a “top cop” with  a law and order background.  If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican.  If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump.  I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .

    I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.

    I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall.  The momentum so far is looking good!

    .
    I have read many replies on this site about Harris not being moderate enough, because for some reason being from California means you can’t be a moderate or some other type argument.  As well as people saying that they can’t vote Biden now because Harris is too progressive...
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  • Kat
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    oftenreading said:
    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 

    It's so desperate. Maybe some reading comprehension lessons would help. I'd suggest the RNC offer those immediately. The 14th amendment is very clear. She was born in Oakland, CA. She's an American citizen and hopefully, with all my heart, a future VP of the USA. :)
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  • static111
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    oftenreading said:
    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 
    Creepy old white guy at the grocery store comes up to me Last night and asks “Did you know that that woman Kamala Harris that Joe Biden picked for VP is a Hindu?”  I said I dont what her religion is  Nor do I care, but she is 1000 times better than trump.    So The whisper campaign is already happening On the street level.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Kat said:
    oftenreading said:
    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 

    It's so desperate. Maybe some reading comprehension lessons would help. I'd suggest the RNC offer those immediately. The 14th amendment is very clear. She was born in Oakland, CA. She's an American citizen and hopefully, with all my heart, a future VP of the USA. :)


    Reading comprehension would only hurt the GOP, why would they do that?

    Remember, they love the uneducated.

  • PJNB
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    static111 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 
    Creepy old white guy at the grocery store comes up to me Last night and asks “Did you know that that woman Kamala Harris that Joe Biden picked for VP is a Hindu?”  I said I dont what her religion is  Nor do I care, but she is 1000 times better than trump.    So The whisper campaign is already happening On the street level.
    The majority of those votes are already lost. Fuck em. 
  • mace1229
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    oftenreading said:
    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 
    Is any official in the GOP saying this? When I tried to look up who is making this claim it kept coming back to some random
     nobody making a Facebook post. I haven’t see anyone officially associated with the GOP make this claim. If so, that would be pretty desperate.
  • Glorified KC
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    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 
    Is any official in the GOP saying this? When I tried to look up who is making this claim it kept coming back to some random
     nobody making a Facebook post. I haven’t see anyone officially associated with the GOP make this claim. If so, that would be pretty desperate.
    Facebook is seriously the worst.

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  • oftenreading
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    mace1229 said:
    oftenreading said:
    Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship. 
    Is any official in the GOP saying this? When I tried to look up who is making this claim it kept coming back to some random
     nobody making a Facebook post. I haven’t see anyone officially associated with the GOP make this claim. If so, that would be pretty desperate.

    Trump's senior legal adviser to his campaign has tweeted on this.
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  • mace1229
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    I still haven’t found anything. Only comment from a sr legal advisor ive seen was that she sounds like Marge Simpson. Every search I make about she is ineligible comes back to the same FB post. Or coming back to how Tucker is racist because he mispronounced her name 2 days ago- but no mention how Biden mispronounced it exactly the same way in yesterday’s announcement speech.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:
    I still haven’t found anything. Only comment from a sr legal advisor ive seen was that she sounds like Marge Simpson. Every search I make about she is ineligible comes back to the same FB post. Or coming back to how Tucker is racist because he mispronounced her name 2 days ago- but no mention how Biden mispronounced it exactly the same way in yesterday’s announcement speech.

    Kamala Harris has been Joe Biden’s running mate for less than a week, but the birthers are already questioning whether she’s constitutionally eligible to ever be president. 

    On Tuesday, a day after the former vice president announced that the California senator would be his running mate, Newsweek ran an op-ed questioning Harris’ eligibility. The argument by John Eastman, a law professor at Chapman University and a failed GOP candidate, centers around the status of Harris’ parents. 

    “Her father was (and is) a Jamaican national, her mother was from India, and neither was a naturalized U.S. citizen at the time of Harris’ birth in 1964,” he wrote. 

    Harris’ parents met as graduate students at the University of California, Berkeley. Her father, an economist, immigrated from Jamaica; her mother, a cancer researcher, immigrated from India. 

    Harris was born in California and is therefore a U.S. citizen. 

    Another post that received a couple of thousand shares on Facebook also said Harris cannot become president if Biden is unable to serve out his term, because she is “an anchor baby, mother is from India, father is Jamaican, and neither were American citizens at time of her birth.”

    The president of the right-wing group Judicial Watch tweeted Chapman’s piece, and it has been picked up by President Donald Trump’s campaign. Jenna Ellis, a senior legal adviser to the Trump campaign, retweeted that post. 

    “It’s an open question, and one I think Harris should answer so the American people know for sure she is eligible,” Ellis told ABC News. 

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    https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/kamala-harris-birthers_n_5f3551c8c5b6fc009a62cb8e?ri18n=true&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaHVmZnBvc3QuY29tLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL4b2EaX2Edq6zxmOqwFa8eKn8_3JuRofIy6mYu0b2Em795jPoLj8L4Y8uBSc-JSQfDl_W2i0oSgeJFiWuLlGzI0CBtGxNuK__sxxyVu8RZXBU4d6pMrpH3Y8A0vcK8BQYtqi8CvrUK7wqqGEc5cQ41yraeEAKADeMJOfk-46QzQ
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  • Merkin Baller
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    mace1229 said:
    I still haven’t found anything. Only comment from a sr legal advisor ive seen was that she sounds like Marge Simpson. Every search I make about she is ineligible comes back to the same FB post. Or coming back to how Tucker is racist because he mispronounced her name 2 days ago- but no mention how Biden mispronounced it exactly the same way in yesterday’s announcement speech.

    If I'm not mistaken, the birtherism thing is coming from an Op-ed by Dr. John Eastman in Newsweek, and a separate attempt to defend his op-ed from others at Newsweek.


    & fwiw, Tucker Carlson has an extensive track record of racist dog whistling... he's made his bed, he can lie in it.

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