Kamala Harris - VP Pick

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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    jeffbr said:
    What a tool. Here's what happened with Tucker:

    Carlson throughout the evening repeatedly mispronounced the first name of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), who was selected by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden to be his running mate earlier in the day. 

    Richard Goodstein, who has served as an adviser to several Democratic presidential campaigns, including that of Bill Clinton, tried to give him a little help. 

    “This is something that will serve you and your fellow hosts on Fox,” Goodstein said. “Her name is pronounced ‘comma’ ― like the punctuation mark ― ‘-la.’ Kamala.”

    “OK,” Carlson said. “So what?” 

    Goodstein replied that saying someone’s name correctly is “kind of a bare minimum” when it comes to showing respect. 

    “OK, so I’m disrespecting her by mispronouncing her name unintentionally,” Carlson claimed.

    Then he tried out her name two different ways before settling on “whatever” for the vice presidential candidate: “So, it begins. You’re not allowed to criticize Kamala Harris, or Kamala Harris, or whatever.”

    “It’s not ‘whatever,’” Goodstein said. 

    Carlson then went off on a tangent. 

    “I love the idea that she’s immune from criticism,” he declared, although Goodstein said no such thing. “On this show, nobody is immune from criticism. Our political leaders must be held to account.”

    As you can see, it was intentional baiting, not mis-pronunciation. Fucker Carlson, or Tucker Carlson, or whatever can shove it. That dude needs to be punched in the bow tie.

    Something is goofy here. How does being corrected on your pronunciation of someone's name morph into a criticism of the person with the name? That's just bizarre, the way he changed the subject. The word "deflect" comes to mind.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    I'll be honest...I have to think about how to say her name about 50% of the time.  Shouldn't be that hard...but for some reason it is.  
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,871
    And I doubt if she'd care because it's likely been happening her entire life. :) No one could pronounce my last name and it didn't matter. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    I'll be honest...I have to think about how to say her name about 50% of the time.  Shouldn't be that hard...but for some reason it is.  
    I think the confusion can be traced back to this man (R.I.P. by the way, he passed just last week). 


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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    I'll be honest...I have to think about how to say her name about 50% of the time.  Shouldn't be that hard...but for some reason it is.  
    I think the confusion can be traced back to this man (R.I.P. by the way, he passed just last week). 


    Yup.

    Looked it up, saw this "comma-la"....I think I'll remember it now.  Might start typing her name ,la
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    edited August 2020
    Kat said:
    jeffbr said:
    What a tool. Here's what happened with Tucker:

    Carlson throughout the evening repeatedly mispronounced the first name of Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), who was selected by Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden to be his running mate earlier in the day. 

    Richard Goodstein, who has served as an adviser to several Democratic presidential campaigns, including that of Bill Clinton, tried to give him a little help. 

    “This is something that will serve you and your fellow hosts on Fox,” Goodstein said. “Her name is pronounced ‘comma’ ― like the punctuation mark ― ‘-la.’ Kamala.”

    “OK,” Carlson said. “So what?” 

    Goodstein replied that saying someone’s name correctly is “kind of a bare minimum” when it comes to showing respect. 

    “OK, so I’m disrespecting her by mispronouncing her name unintentionally,” Carlson claimed.

    Then he tried out her name two different ways before settling on “whatever” for the vice presidential candidate: “So, it begins. You’re not allowed to criticize Kamala Harris, or Kamala Harris, or whatever.”

    “It’s not ‘whatever,’” Goodstein said. 

    Carlson then went off on a tangent. 

    “I love the idea that she’s immune from criticism,” he declared, although Goodstein said no such thing. “On this show, nobody is immune from criticism. Our political leaders must be held to account.”

    As you can see, it was intentional baiting, not mis-pronunciation. Fucker Carlson, or Tucker Carlson, or whatever can shove it. That dude needs to be punched in the bow tie.

    Something is goofy here. How does being corrected on your pronunciation of someone's name morph into a criticism of the person with the name? That's just bizarre, the way he changed the subject. The word "deflect" comes to mind.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    I just read that historically about a third of VPs eventually become president, either because the president becomes incapacitated or through being elected themselves. 
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,446
    I just read that historically about a third of VPs eventually become president, either because the president becomes incapacitated or through being elected themselves. 
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    I just read that historically about a third of VPs eventually become president, either because the president becomes incapacitated or through being elected themselves. 
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    I just read that historically about a third of VPs eventually become president, either because the president becomes incapacitated or through being elected themselves. 
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    I'm all for that ticket.
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    And for nothing else it will make republican heads spin off their axis.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,769
    dankind said:
    I just read that historically about a third of VPs eventually become president, either because the president becomes incapacitated or through being elected themselves. 
    ,la/Buddha-judge 2024
    I'm all for that ticket.
    Common sense, intelligence, open-minded

    And for nothing else it will make republican heads spin off their axis.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    edited August 2020
    mace1229 said:
    I still haven’t found anything. Only comment from a sr legal advisor ive seen was that she sounds like Marge Simpson. Every search I make about she is ineligible comes back to the same FB post. Or coming back to how Tucker is racist because he mispronounced her name 2 days ago- but no mention how Biden mispronounced it exactly the same way in yesterday’s announcement speech.
    Today Trump said he had “heard” that Harris wasn’t born in the US. 

    Is that GOP enough for you? 
    I haven’t seen that. The quote others provided talk about her being unqualified for citizenship.

    I haven’t seen anything with the entire transcript yet. And I think that is pretty important here. The articles I’ve seen all state he was responding to a question but I haven’t seen what the question was. If the question was directly about that Newsweek article then that’s not him and the GOP starting the birther rumor, he adds he doesn’t know if it’s true. But if that responds was an answer to just a general question about Kamala then I would say it is.

    Either way, he should have shot it down. It smells of desperation to go through this again and not shut it down. But you can’t blame him for what a report brings up, if that is what happened.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I still haven’t found anything. Only comment from a sr legal advisor ive seen was that she sounds like Marge Simpson. Every search I make about she is ineligible comes back to the same FB post. Or coming back to how Tucker is racist because he mispronounced her name 2 days ago- but no mention how Biden mispronounced it exactly the same way in yesterday’s announcement speech.
    Today Trump said he had “heard” that Harris wasn’t born in the US. 

    Is that GOP enough for you? 
    I haven’t seen that. The quote others provided talk about her being qualified for citizenship.

    I haven’t seen anything with the entire transcript yet. And I think that is pretty important here. The articles I’ve seen all state he was responding to a question but I haven’t seen what the question was. If the question was directly about that Newsweek article then that’s not him spreading the birther rumor, he adds he doesn’t know if it’s true. But if that responds was an answer to just a general question about Kamala then I would say it is.

    Either way, he should have shot it down. It smells of desperation to go through this again and not shut it down. But you can’t blame him for what a report brings up, if that is what happened.

    Shutting down the country is what he is all about.  The mad mad who is losing wants to bring the whole house down around him.  He's all about chaos.  The next three months are going to be difficult at best. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,567
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I still haven’t found anything. Only comment from a sr legal advisor ive seen was that she sounds like Marge Simpson. Every search I make about she is ineligible comes back to the same FB post. Or coming back to how Tucker is racist because he mispronounced her name 2 days ago- but no mention how Biden mispronounced it exactly the same way in yesterday’s announcement speech.
    Today Trump said he had “heard” that Harris wasn’t born in the US. 

    Is that GOP enough for you? 
    I haven’t seen that. The quote others provided talk about her being unqualified for citizenship.

    I haven’t seen anything with the entire transcript yet. And I think that is pretty important here. The articles I’ve seen all state he was responding to a question but I haven’t seen what the question was. If the question was directly about that Newsweek article then that’s not him and the GOP starting the birther rumor, he adds he doesn’t know if it’s true. But if that responds was an answer to just a general question about Kamala then I would say it is.

    Either way, he should have shot it down. It smells of desperation to go through this again and not shut it down. But you can’t blame him for what a report brings up, if that is what happened.
    Please after all the crap he said about Obama you need more proof that he’s not the one pushing this is absurd ! 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    edited August 2020
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    I was half-watching 11th Hour with Brian Williams last night. Didn't really catch the whole conversation, but part of the impression I got from the discussion is that the reporter who asked the question was a plant. 
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
    Trying to find out more information is giving someone the benefit of the doubt?  I see nothing wrong with wanting to know about the reporter who asked the question.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter was a plant as WD says. But I’m still going to want to hear more about that before I jump to that conclusion too.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,050
    I was half-watching 11th Hour with Brian Williams last night. Didn't really catch the whole conversation, but part of the impression I got from the discussion is that the reporter who asked the question was a plant. 
    If I remember correctly, and I may be mistaken, Team Trump Treason called on the regular “plant” who asked if she, I believe it’s a she, could give her question to a reporter outside the room or who was just outside the room. That person identified as being from the Epoch Times, Falung Gong’s mouthpiece. Either of those two or the reporter before them asked the question. Google is your friend.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,050
    mace1229 said:
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
    Trying to find out more information is giving someone the benefit of the doubt?  I see nothing wrong with wanting to know about the reporter who asked the question.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter was a plant as WD says. But I’m still going to want to hear more about that before I jump to that conclusion too.
    Reporter was from VOA and we know how that’s been politicized.

     
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    mace1229 said:
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
    Trying to find out more information is giving someone the benefit of the doubt?  I see nothing wrong with wanting to know about the reporter who asked the question.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter was a plant as WD says. But I’m still going to want to hear more about that before I jump to that conclusion too.

    He had no problem ignoring the reporter yesterday who asked about his lies & dishonesty. Why didn’t he just ignore ‘the plant’? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,050
    mace1229 said:
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
    Trying to find out more information is giving someone the benefit of the doubt?  I see nothing wrong with wanting to know about the reporter who asked the question.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter was a plant as WD says. But I’m still going to want to hear more about that before I jump to that conclusion too.

    He had no problem ignoring the reporter yesterday who asked about his lies & dishonesty. Why didn’t he just ignore ‘the plant’? 
    The “plant” I generally think of is the OANN reporter who generally asks really softball type questions about something the Administration wants out there, something nice and soft so Team Trump Treason can promote a conspiracy theory or something else with no basis in fact. Team Trump Treason doesn’t ignore these questions because it reminds him of calling into a radio program and pretending to be someone other than himself.

    I really wish someone would stand up and just call him the complete fucking scumbag asshole liar that he is until Team Trump Treason walked out, the rest of the press corps joined in and/or the secret service started a riot by forcibly removing the “offending” journalist(s). Enough is enough of this douche.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    mace1229 said:
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
    Trying to find out more information is giving someone the benefit of the doubt?  I see nothing wrong with wanting to know about the reporter who asked the question.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter was a plant as WD says. But I’m still going to want to hear more about that before I jump to that conclusion too.

    He had no problem ignoring the reporter yesterday who asked about his lies & dishonesty. Why didn’t he just ignore ‘the plant’? 
    I didn’t see the interview and have read very little about it other than the quotes listed. These things you’re pointing out are exactly why I would like to know more information about the report, the question asked and the press conference. You’re sort of proving my point as to why I asked those questions. I never said I’m convinced Trump had nothing to do with it, but simply that there’s more to the story id like to know and somehow that’s wrong to some.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    edited August 2020
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
    Trying to find out more information is giving someone the benefit of the doubt?  I see nothing wrong with wanting to know about the reporter who asked the question.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter was a plant as WD says. But I’m still going to want to hear more about that before I jump to that conclusion too.

    He had no problem ignoring the reporter yesterday who asked about his lies & dishonesty. Why didn’t he just ignore ‘the plant’? 
    I didn’t see the interview and have read very little about it other than the quotes listed. These things you’re pointing out are exactly why I would like to know more information about the report, the question asked and the press conference. You’re sort of proving my point as to why I asked those questions. I never said I’m convinced Trump had nothing to do with it, but simply that there’s more to the story id like to know and somehow that’s wrong to some.
    So find out some more information about the report, the question and the press conference then.
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    I was half-watching 11th Hour with Brian Williams last night. Didn't really catch the whole conversation, but part of the impression I got from the discussion is that the reporter who asked the question was a plant. 
    If I remember correctly, and I may be mistaken, Team Trump Treason called on the regular “plant” who asked if she, I believe it’s a she, could give her question to a reporter outside the room or who was just outside the room. That person identified as being from the Epoch Times, Falung Gong’s mouthpiece. Either of those two or the reporter before them asked the question. Google is your friend.
    I don't care enough to Google it. And I've come to only allow myself an hour a day max of mindless technology interactions. I was just offering an observation that might have helped Mace understand how the situation evolved. I know you thoroughly research Team Trump Treason's move at every turn, so thank you for the assist.
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  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,367
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    Trump went out of his way to call Eastman a "highly qualified, very talented lawyer" but sure, maybe we should give him the benefit of the doubt here; it’s not as if Trump has promoted racist birther conspiracy theories in the past.
    Trying to find out more information is giving someone the benefit of the doubt?  I see nothing wrong with wanting to know about the reporter who asked the question.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the reporter was a plant as WD says. But I’m still going to want to hear more about that before I jump to that conclusion too.

    He had no problem ignoring the reporter yesterday who asked about his lies & dishonesty. Why didn’t he just ignore ‘the plant’? 
    I didn’t see the interview and have read very little about it other than the quotes listed. These things you’re pointing out are exactly why I would like to know more information about the report, the question asked and the press conference. You’re sort of proving my point as to why I asked those questions. I never said I’m convinced Trump had nothing to do with it, but simply that there’s more to the story id like to know and somehow that’s wrong to some.
    So find out some more information about the report, the question and the press conference then.
    My bad. Guess I’ll quit my full time teaching job where we still don’t even have our class assignments and school starts Monday and was just told if kids get sick in my class I’m liable. But you know, the 3 articles I read that didn’t mention any background information isn’t enough. Not that I have anything else to worry about right now, better devote this whole weekend to internet research and not bother with any conversation about it.
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    It’s really a shame that liability / fear of lawsuits trump safety. I feel for anyone in the teaching system and those with school-age children. 
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