Kamala Harris - VP Pick

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  • dankind
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick.  I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.  
    Could be worse. She could be from Jersey.
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  • josevolution
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    No way did I want Amy K she would of never generated as much energy as KH specially with Black female voters! 
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  • mcgruff10
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    edited August 2020
    dankind said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick.  I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.  
    Could be worse. She could be from Jersey.
    Very true.  Serious question, is it me or are Massachusetts drivers the absolute worst? New Hampshire wins the silver.
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  • Glorified KC
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    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
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  • OnWis97
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    mcgruff10 said:
    dankind said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick.  I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.  
    Could be worse. She could be from Jersey.
    Very true.  Serious question, is it me or are Massachusetts drivers the absolute worst? New Hampshire wins the silver.
    I'm in Minnesota but spent 2.5 years in Connecticut...I feel like Connecticut belongs on that podium.

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  • mcgruff10
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    OnWis97 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dankind said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick.  I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.  
    Could be worse. She could be from Jersey.
    Very true.  Serious question, is it me or are Massachusetts drivers the absolute worst? New Hampshire wins the silver.
    I'm in Minnesota but spent 2.5 years in Connecticut...I feel like Connecticut belongs on that podium.

    Totally agree.  
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  • mickeyrat
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick.  I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.  
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  • The Juggler
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    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


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  • Glorified KC
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    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

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  • mcgruff10
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    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Bingo.
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  • OnWis97
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    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states.  So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from. 

    That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).

    I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state.  Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
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  • mcgruff10
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    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states.  So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from. 

    That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).

    I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state.  Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
    Clinton won arkansas and tennessee in 92 and 96.  Gore lost tn in 2000.
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  • Glorified KC
    Glorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,814
    mcgruff10 said:
    Glorified KC said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote?  So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote?  I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.

    Bingo.
    I have a different opinion on why the Rust Belt was lost on Clinton in 2016.  Like I said earlier, I think it was a lot to do with voter suppression given the fairly thin differences in WI, MI and PA.  Clinton won the popular vote by over 2M, so I think it really comes down to making sure everyone who wants to vote can do so.  If Biden can carry similar support to Clinton, regardless of his VP choice (I'm pretty sure Tim Kane didn't sway anyone toward Trump/Pence) then I think he can get enough votes in those states.  A lot of the blue areas are very concentrated in each state and given all of the concerns around mail-in ballots and polling stations, that actually may be the deciding factor in this year's election.

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  • static111
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    I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative.  I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal.  She was a “top cop” with  a law and order background.  If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican.  If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump.  I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .
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  • brianlux
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    static111 said:
    I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative.  I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal.  She was a “top cop” with  a law and order background.  If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican.  If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump.  I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .

    I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.

    I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall.  The momentum so far is looking good!
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  • OnWis97
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    mcgruff10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states.  So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from. 

    That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).

    I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state.  Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
    Clinton won arkansas and tennessee in 92 and 96.  Gore lost tn in 2000.

    I recall some right wing jackass saying that Clinton and Gore's states being lost tells us what America thinks.  Must have been 2000 during the agonizing post-election saga...now that I think about it, I recall thinking "who cares about Arkansas, now?"
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  • Merkin Baller
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    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative.  I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal.  She was a “top cop” with  a law and order background.  If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican.  If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump.  I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .

    I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.

    I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall.  The momentum so far is looking good!


    No, but some are insinuating that moderates will swing right because of her. (which I think is nonsense... anyone who would claim she's the reason they are voting for Trump is full of shit and was planning to vote for him anyway).

  • brianlux
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    Merkin Baller said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative.  I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal.  She was a “top cop” with  a law and order background.  If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican.  If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump.  I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .

    I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.

    I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall.  The momentum so far is looking good!


    No, but some are insinuating that moderates will swing right because of her. (which I think is nonsense... anyone who would claim she's the reason they are voting for Trump is full of shit and was planning to vote for him anyway).


    Well, that makes sense.  I don't think you can call a Trump fan a "moderate".  "Bat-shit crazy" maybe, but not "moderate".
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  • JimmyV
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    Merkin Baller said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative.  I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal.  She was a “top cop” with  a law and order background.  If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican.  If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump.  I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .

    I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.

    I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall.  The momentum so far is looking good!


    No, but some are insinuating that moderates will swing right because of her. (which I think is nonsense... anyone who would claim she's the reason they are voting for Trump is full of shit and was planning to vote for him anyway).

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  • The Juggler
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    edited August 2020
    OnWis97 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Glorified KC said:
    I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election.  That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California?  The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
    The state doesn't matter as much as people think:

    Pence--IN....red state..
    Kaine--VA...blue state.
    Biden--DE...blue state
    Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
    Edwards--NC...red state at the time
    Cheney- MT...red state


    Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states.  So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from. 

    That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).

    I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state.  Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
    Well that's what I am saying is overrated.
    Romney lost Ryan's home state.
    Kerry lost Edwards' home state. 
    All the other states were largely red or blue states prior to the running mate selection. So the state doesn't matter as much. 

    Despite being from Cali, Harris no far left liberal, just ask the far left liberals in here. Brand new polling out shows Americans view her as just slightly more to the left than Joe while still more moderate than Trump/Pence.....in other words: just right. Good selection. 
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