Kamala Harris - VP Pick

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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,137
    someone is clearly suffering from SDS
    Soros 
    Derangement 
    Syndrome

    Or as it is referred to in the DMS -IV....


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908


    When Trump says things like she's "the kind of opponent everyone dreams of," that's when I know it was a good pick.

    Yeah...so the opposite is true. 
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory Posts: 6,451


    When Trump says things like she's "the kind of opponent everyone dreams of," that's when I know it was a good pick.

    Precisely! Not to suggest Harris is the political equivalent to Jordan, but hearing trump claim Harris was the opposition he hoped for would like Shawn Kemp saying he would want to go against Jordan over anyone else in a game 7 NBA Finals. Sure, if Kemp were to win, he'd have the luxury of saying he bested Jordan. But he'd MUCH rather go into a game 7 facing Sam Bowie and the Nets.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    edited August 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,016
    Seems the stock market likes Kamala.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 
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  • Seems the stock market likes Kamala.
    trump will say it is all about his executive order/memo from the other day.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,016
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    I gathered from the article that the family took on "African American" or "Black" more as a cultural identity than a racial one. Based on the article, you would be correct in saying that Harris identifies herself as an American who identifies with African American/Black culture. She herself is is not hung up on her race. She's married to a white guy, to complicate matters even more. 
    Honestly, I really wish we (Americans, the world) would just stop with this "race" construct. It's a completely made up idea, biologically speaking. And now with so many people being born to blended backgrounds, it just doesn't work anymore.
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,016
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American

    Oops sorry.
    Reminds, though, me of a joke though about the term savoir faire.
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  • benjsbenjs Posts: 9,143
    edited August 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    To me, it makes a lot of sense. If the average voter isn't highly invested in these talks, Kamala Harris can be presented as a liberal (AG in California, helped request more money to help the state in 2008, etc.), but can also be presented as a conservative (law & order, has had rulings that aren't wholly liberal). Stating the obvious, she has dark skin, is female, is a daughter to two immigrants, would be a pioneer in a number of categories, and would represent an underdog story that's easy to get behind. Depending on your perspective, you may see some of these things as an asset, and others as a liability - but the liability can easily be ignored behind her conservative background and tough demeanour. 
    At the end of the day - it's clear that she's a good listener, it's clear that she's smart, and it's clear that she's principled. All other faults won't matter.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,839
    Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,443
    OnWis97 said:
    someone is clearly suffering from SDS
    Soros 
    Derangement 
    Syndrome

    Or as it is referred to in the DMS -IV....


    Cuckoo for coco puffs
    I couldn't pick Soros out of a line-up if I had to. It is a hilarious obsession of some, no doubt.

    He's really old.  Hopefully Q and the GOP have a replacement boogeyman ready to take over.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    Is $26 million raised in the last 24 hours a lot of money? It seems like a lot of money. 

  • Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
    Agree but would move that up to 100%
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
    Do Jamaicans consider themselves African Caribbean?  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,016
    mcgruff10 said:
    Jamaica has African roots.

    Big fan of the pick, though I do think there is a segment of people won't vote for them because of the chance at a black woman president, though I am sure 99% of them were already voting that way.
    Do Jamaicans consider themselves African Caribbean?  

    Seems I've heard some of them refer to themselves as Yardies.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
    Oh please stop, I was just wondering.  Moving on.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    brianlux said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    I m just reading up on her, does she consider herself African American (as I have read on fb)? I ask because her parents are from Jamaica and India.  
    Hi, McGruff.  I read this older article yesterday. It was pretty interesting:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-am-who-i-am-kamala-harris-daughter-of-indian-and-jamaican-immigrants-defines-herself-simply-as-american/2019/02/02/0b278536-24b7-11e9-ad53-824486280311_story.html

    It's long, so I'm not going to cut and paste here. If you don't have a subscription, let me know, and I'll see if my share code is still available. But the general idea is that her mom, from India, embraced and immersed herself in black culture when she arrived in the US from India, so that is why Harris identifies as African American, though when asked, she says she is simply "American."  She wrote a book similar to Obama's about being biracial but does not have the angst he had growing up.  
    Aaah that makes sense.  Thank you for the info, I was generally confused.  So would I be correct in saying she is black but not African American? I like her but why pick someone from California? 
    How do you define African American? 

    She's described as African American/ Asian American which, I believe, is referred to as Afro-Asian.
    I was specially asking how that poster defined African American
    One with African roots. 
    How far back are we talking roots? 

    Because that’s everyone. 
    Oh please stop, I was just wondering.  Moving on.  
    Stop why? I'm trying to understand both your question and the premise behind it, and you're not giving me much to go on.
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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,672
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl Posts: 10,905
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    haha. My dad said the same thing last night, only instead of bucket of hair, he said can of peas.

  • i got a chill when biden introduced her yesterday. i thought her speech was really effective too.

    this is the ticket. 
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,672
    edited August 2020
    GlowGirl said:
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    haha. My dad said the same thing last night, only instead of bucket of hair, he said can of peas.

    The universal line could be "I'd be okay if he nominated (container) of (inanimate object) as his running mate."

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    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
  • predictably, trump called her a "nasty" woman.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 Posts: 28,495
    My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice.  Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
    I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick.  I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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