My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice. Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick. I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.
My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice. Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick. I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.
Could be worse. She could be from Jersey.
Very true. Serious question, is it me or are Massachusetts drivers the absolute worst? New Hampshire wins the silver.
I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
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My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice. Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick. I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.
Could be worse. She could be from Jersey.
Very true. Serious question, is it me or are Massachusetts drivers the absolute worst? New Hampshire wins the silver.
I'm in Minnesota but spent 2.5 years in Connecticut...I feel like Connecticut belongs on that podium.
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My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice. Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick. I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.
Could be worse. She could be from Jersey.
Very true. Serious question, is it me or are Massachusetts drivers the absolute worst? New Hampshire wins the silver.
I'm in Minnesota but spent 2.5 years in Connecticut...I feel like Connecticut belongs on that podium.
Totally agree.
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My top choice would have been Susan Rice, but I was pretty convinced a couple of months ago that Harris would be his choice. Honestly, he could have nominated a bucket of hair as his running mate and I would still campaign and vote for him. #nevertrump
I would have liked to have seen Amy K as his pick. I just don't get what you gain by picking a candidate from California.
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states. So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from.
That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).
I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state. Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states. So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from.
That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).
I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state. Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
Clinton won arkansas and tennessee in 92 and 96. Gore lost tn in 2000.
I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Bingo.
I have a different opinion on why the Rust Belt was lost on Clinton in 2016. Like I said earlier, I think it was a lot to do with voter suppression given the fairly thin differences in WI, MI and PA. Clinton won the popular vote by over 2M, so I think it really comes down to making sure everyone who wants to vote can do so. If Biden can carry similar support to Clinton, regardless of his VP choice (I'm pretty sure Tim Kane didn't sway anyone toward Trump/Pence) then I think he can get enough votes in those states. A lot of the blue areas are very concentrated in each state and given all of the concerns around mail-in ballots and polling stations, that actually may be the deciding factor in this year's election.
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I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative. I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal. She was a “top cop” with a law and order background. If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican. If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump. I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .
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I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative. I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal. She was a “top cop” with a law and order background. If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican. If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump. I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .
I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.
I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall. The momentum so far is looking good!
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states. So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from.
That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).
I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state. Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
Clinton won arkansas and tennessee in 92 and 96. Gore lost tn in 2000.
I recall some right wing jackass saying that Clinton and Gore's states being lost tells us what America thinks. Must have been 2000 during the agonizing post-election saga...now that I think about it, I recall thinking "who cares about Arkansas, now?"
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I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative. I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal. She was a “top cop” with a law and order background. If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican. If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump. I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .
I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.
I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall. The momentum so far is looking good!
No, but some are insinuating that moderates will swing right because of her. (which I think is nonsense... anyone who would claim she's the reason they are voting for Trump is full of shit and was planning to vote for him anyway).
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I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative. I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal. She was a “top cop” with a law and order background. If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican. If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump. I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .
I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.
I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall. The momentum so far is looking good!
No, but some are insinuating that moderates will swing right because of her. (which I think is nonsense... anyone who would claim she's the reason they are voting for Trump is full of shit and was planning to vote for him anyway).
Well, that makes sense. I don't think you can call a Trump fan a "moderate". "Bat-shit crazy" maybe, but not "moderate".
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I’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative. I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal. She was a “top cop” with a law and order background. If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican. If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump. I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .
I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.
I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall. The momentum so far is looking good!
No, but some are insinuating that moderates will swing right because of her. (which I think is nonsense... anyone who would claim she's the reason they are voting for Trump is full of shit and was planning to vote for him anyway).
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The Juggler
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Traditionally, the two candidates have won their own states. So, in theory, selecting Klobuchar would help Biden with Minnesota. Not other states; just the one she's from.
That said, that's far less prevalent than it used to be. Clinton and Gore I believe lost both TN and AR twice. Trump is from New York. I believe Romney lost Wisconsin (Ryan).
I think candidates are less interested in that than they were decades ago; I think they have their eyes on "balancing the ticket" rather than securing one state. Certainly McCain wins Alaska with or without Palin...that was about gaining the hard right and he'd have probably picked her if she'd been from California or NYC. Obama chose Biden because he needed an experienced veteran to offset the "inexperienced" label. Choosing another newcomer from a swing state probably would have cost him.
Well that's what I am saying is overrated. Romney lost Ryan's home state. Kerry lost Edwards' home state. All the other states were largely red or blue states prior to the running mate selection. So the state doesn't matter as much.
Despite being from Cali, Harris no far left liberal, just ask the far left liberals in here. Brand new polling out shows Americans view her as just slightly more to the left than Joe while still more moderate than Trump/Pence.....in other words: just right. Good selection.
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region. Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them. The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region. Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them. The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.
If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.
If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.
Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.
I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region. Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them. The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.
If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.
If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.
Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.
I'm enthusiastic too that she is on the ticket. If you're like me though, your mind was already made up before she was named VP.
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region. Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them. The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.
I agree.
Also Biden is from Scranton, PA. It's pretty rust belty up there, trust me!
I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region. Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them. The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.
If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.
If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.
Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.
I'm enthusiastic too that she is on the ticket. If you're like me though, your mind was already made up before she was named VP.
I think the overwhelming majority of voters' minds have been made up for some time now.
Birtherism already started, with some in the GOP claiming that Harris is not eligible to be president because her parents were not citizens at the time of her birth, although that is not a requirement for citizenship.
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I guess I don't understand why the geography of the VP matters in the upcoming election. That's potentially insinuating that because Pence is from Indiana, that he has more pull with the moderates than Harris from California? The issue with 2016 was gerrymandering and voting suppression in the key battle states, Wisconsin especially.
The state doesn't matter as much as people think:
Pence--IN....red state.. Kaine--VA...blue state. Biden--DE...blue state Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time). Edwards--NC...red state at the time Cheney- MT...red state
Maybe the logic is that Biden already has the liberal, democrat, and minority vote? So what he needs is the moderates in the Rust Belt States, and Klobuchar being in Minnesota would sway the vote? I'm asking an honest question to whomever thinks Harris brings down Biden's chances because she's from California.
Yeah...but Harris isn't a liberal. New polling shows she is not hurting his chances .
I'm not saying she's a liberal, I'm more commenting on the fact because she's not from the Rust Belt that will not attract moderate voters in that region. Personally, I don't think that's feasible and I don't see how she is hurting his chances, or moreover that Klobuchar would raise them. The VP isn't going to decide the 2020 election.
If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.
If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.
Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.
I'm enthusiastic too that she is on the ticket. If you're like me though, your mind was already made up before she was named VP.
I think the overwhelming majority of voters' minds have been made up for some time now.
My mind was made up November 9, 2016 - this guy has to go.
PI’m not seeing the argument that Kamala is anything but a moderate/conservative. I’m not sure what the basis is for this imaginary scenario that she is liberal. She was a “top cop” with a law and order background. If you want to go any further right we might as well just have picked a republican. If some “moderate” doesn’t vote the Biden/Harris ticket, don’t be fooled they were never a moderate and always just looking for a reason to not vote Joe and clear their conscience of supporting trump. I’m saying this as a far left that understands that I have to make a compromise with the centrists to defeat trump. If anyone is using Kamala being a radical as an excuse to not support Biden They were for supporting the GOP all along .
I don't recall anyone referring to KH as a far left and certainly not a radical.
I'm feeling more confident about Biden/ Harris as the winners this fall. The momentum so far is looking good!
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I have read many replies on this site about Harris not being moderate enough, because for some reason being from California means you can’t be a moderate or some other type argument. As well as people saying that they can’t vote Biden now because Harris is too progressive...
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Pence--IN....red state..
Kaine--VA...blue state.
Biden--DE...blue state
Ryan--WI...blue state (at the time).
Edwards--NC...red state at the time
Cheney- MT...red state
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I recall some right wing jackass saying that Clinton and Gore's states being lost tells us what America thinks. Must have been 2000 during the agonizing post-election saga...now that I think about it, I recall thinking "who cares about Arkansas, now?"
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No, but some are insinuating that moderates will swing right because of her. (which I think is nonsense... anyone who would claim she's the reason they are voting for Trump is full of shit and was planning to vote for him anyway).
Well, that makes sense. I don't think you can call a Trump fan a "moderate". "Bat-shit crazy" maybe, but not "moderate".
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Romney lost Ryan's home state.
Kerry lost Edwards' home state.
All the other states were largely red or blue states prior to the running mate selection. So the state doesn't matter as much.
Despite being from Cali, Harris no far left liberal, just ask the far left liberals in here. Brand new polling out shows Americans view her as just slightly more to the left than Joe while still more moderate than Trump/Pence.....in other words: just right. Good selection.
If the moderates in those regions did their homework and looked beyond the "democrat from CA" tagline, they would find a pretty moderate politician with some conservative background / policies.
If they are the type of people to let something as simple as "democrat from CA" make their decision for them, let's face it... they were probably voting for Trump anyway.
Regarding your last sentence, you're probably right, but I can personally say I'm much more enthusiastic about voting for Biden now that she's his running mate.
Also Biden is from Scranton, PA. It's pretty rust belty up there, trust me!
I think the overwhelming majority of voters' minds have been made up for some time now.
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