Amazing honestly...Im kinda floored after letting it sink in..250k and its only going to take a handful to spread this who knows how far. I wont go to the grocery store if its crowded..

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i keep seeing schools opening. americans go to school starting in early august???

A lot still start after Labor Day and go through mid-June. It’s a pretty wide range. I think many schools in NY and CA start much later. At least the ones I’m familiar with did.

Ours starts in 2 weeks and we get out end of May.

Bybthe way, that hallway is totally acceptable. Our Superintendent said social distancing only counts if you are closer than 6 feet for more than 15 minutes. Since passing periods are 5-6 minutes, social distancing is not needed.
Fun.

Despite what your Superintendent says 'counts', your likelihood to contract CoVID is dependent on the number of CoVID particles in the air, and the amount of time you're exposed to them. Thus, risk is proportional to both the density of people (i.e. things like schools should be avoided) and the amount of time you're in a large group.

Your superintendent should be fired and possibly arrested for reckless endangerment. Also, I'd like to seek a second opinion from either my gardener or lawyer.

Right we should just fire all the superintendents trying time do their best and following medical guidelines the best they can. I mean they should be doctors after all. Pretty bad take Benjs.

Yes covid is based on exposure. Time and dose. Certainly being around more people increase the risk, and if infected, increases the dose.  That hallway is ridiculous and they should pivot and figure something else out for sure. But to fire someone for stating the medical definition of exposure for covid is just dumb.

Fair enough on the handling of the superintendent, however what he said just isn't true. CDC is currently saying "stay at least 6 feet from others who are not from your household". No minimum exposure time. Then, there's common sense: kids are often irresponsible and reckless; if hallways are an avenue for students to get it, then the subsequent classes over the coming days and weeks are too; many schools aren't known for excellent air circulation systems (or the budgets needed for them) - and obviously there's much more in this category.

The lack of critical thought is frustrating me, but like I said - fair enough about the superintendent.

benjs said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

i keep seeing schools opening. americans go to school starting in early august???

A lot still start after Labor Day and go through mid-June. It’s a pretty wide range. I think many schools in NY and CA start much later. At least the ones I’m familiar with did.

Ours starts in 2 weeks and we get out end of May.

Bybthe way, that hallway is totally acceptable. Our Superintendent said social distancing only counts if you are closer than 6 feet for more than 15 minutes. Since passing periods are 5-6 minutes, social distancing is not needed.
Fun.

Despite what your Superintendent says 'counts', your likelihood to contract CoVID is dependent on the number of CoVID particles in the air, and the amount of time you're exposed to them. Thus, risk is proportional to both the density of people (i.e. things like schools should be avoided) and the amount of time you're in a large group.

Your superintendent should be fired and possibly arrested for reckless endangerment. Also, I'd like to seek a second opinion from either my gardener or lawyer.

Right we should just fire all the superintendents trying time do their best and following medical guidelines the best they can. I mean they should be doctors after all. Pretty bad take Benjs.

Yes covid is based on exposure. Time and dose. Certainly being around more people increase the risk, and if infected, increases the dose.  That hallway is ridiculous and they should pivot and figure something else out for sure. But to fire someone for stating the medical definition of exposure for covid is just dumb.

Fair enough on the handling of the superintendent, however what he said just isn't true. CDC is currently saying "stay at least 6 feet from others who are not from your household". No minimum exposure time. Then, there's common sense: kids are often irresponsible and reckless; if hallways are an avenue for students to get it, then the subsequent classes over the coming days and weeks are too; many schools aren't known for excellent air circulation systems (or the budgets needed for them) - and obviously there's much more in this category.

The lack of critical thought is frustrating me, but like I said - fair enough about the superintendent.

The medical guidance that I’ve seen for workplace exposures still mentions 15 min within 6 feet. That doesn’t mean it “safe” at that time frame but they don’t do the same countermeasures if during an investigation of a positive case they determine the contact you had with them was <15 min at 6’. 

Had a friend that manages a restaurant. Guy came in and hung out for hours and made round to various stops in our small townwhile he was waiting for results. Obviously the test came back positive. Protocol was that the 2 waitresses that were around him quite a bit had to get tested and were to quarantine until they received results. Dining room had to close until they could sanitize. Friend, her boss and his wife were going to get tested but her employer didn’t want it going on his insurance.

Ledbetterman10 said:

A  NYC city councilman, who is a democrat, says that hydroxychloroquine “saved his life” in his battle against Covid in March.

https://t.co/TYv85j9HnP

A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

“I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”

Though Vallone went public with his coronavirus diagnosis in an April 1 Twitter post, saying he was experiencing “mild symptoms,” his actual condition was considerably more severe. Vallone’s initial prognosis was particularly grim, as he also suffers from sarcoidosis, an auto-immune disease that attacks his lungs.

“We were in panic mode when I went down because I didn’t have a lot of immune response,” he said. “I needed something to stay alive.”

Hydroxychloroquine “worked for me.”

Vallone’s brother Peter, a former City Councilman and a current civil court judge in Queens, also became a convert after his brother’s illness.

“I guess all those doctors who are prescribing it are right. This drug is already on the market and the patent is up so it’s cheap. A new drug won’t be. So big money does not want this drug to be used. Always follow the money,” Peter Vallone said in a May 12 Facebook post, sharing a link to an NYU study touting the drug.

“[It] saved my life,” Paul Vallone said in the comments.

Hydroxychloroquine, a Malaria medication which has been on the market since 1955, came back into the spotlight this year as a potential pandemic miracle cure. President Trump has frequently touted the drug and even took it himself for a time to help ward off the virus — and has been criticized for it.

“You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers before you catch it. The frontline workers — many, many are taking it,” Trump said in May.

The drug has proven controversial. In June, the Food and Drug Administration declared hydroxychloroquine “unlikely to be effective in treating #COVID19.”

Scientific studies about the drug’s efficacy have been mixed.

Paul Vallone, however, remains grateful for the president’s advocacy.

“At that time, there was only fear and panic, he offered hope in a possible treatment when there was none. With my sarcoidosis and then my COVID symptoms, It basically saved me. For that my family will always be thankful,“ he said.

I personally know two people here in NY that were helped by this drug. Too bad Trump mentioned it a few times. It made people actually root against it working. Crazy. 

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

A  NYC city councilman, who is a democrat, says that hydroxychloroquine “saved his life” in his battle against Covid in March.

https://t.co/TYv85j9HnP

A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

“I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”

Though Vallone went public with his coronavirus diagnosis in an April 1 Twitter post, saying he was experiencing “mild symptoms,” his actual condition was considerably more severe. Vallone’s initial prognosis was particularly grim, as he also suffers from sarcoidosis, an auto-immune disease that attacks his lungs.

“We were in panic mode when I went down because I didn’t have a lot of immune response,” he said. “I needed something to stay alive.”

Hydroxychloroquine “worked for me.”

Vallone’s brother Peter, a former City Councilman and a current civil court judge in Queens, also became a convert after his brother’s illness.

“I guess all those doctors who are prescribing it are right. This drug is already on the market and the patent is up so it’s cheap. A new drug won’t be. So big money does not want this drug to be used. Always follow the money,” Peter Vallone said in a May 12 Facebook post, sharing a link to an NYU study touting the drug.

“[It] saved my life,” Paul Vallone said in the comments.

Hydroxychloroquine, a Malaria medication which has been on the market since 1955, came back into the spotlight this year as a potential pandemic miracle cure. President Trump has frequently touted the drug and even took it himself for a time to help ward off the virus — and has been criticized for it.

“You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers before you catch it. The frontline workers — many, many are taking it,” Trump said in May.

The drug has proven controversial. In June, the Food and Drug Administration declared hydroxychloroquine “unlikely to be effective in treating #COVID19.”

Scientific studies about the drug’s efficacy have been mixed.

Paul Vallone, however, remains grateful for the president’s advocacy.

“At that time, there was only fear and panic, he offered hope in a possible treatment when there was none. With my sarcoidosis and then my COVID symptoms, It basically saved me. For that my family will always be thankful,“ he said.

I personally know two people here in NY that were helped by this drug. Too bad Trump mentioned it a few times. It made people actually root against it working. Crazy. 

It’d be such a crime against humanity if this drug works and medical professionals are against prescribing it, and people touting it are censored on social media for spreading misinformation, simply based on Trump touting it. 

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

A  NYC city councilman, who is a democrat, says that hydroxychloroquine “saved his life” in his battle against Covid in March.

https://t.co/TYv85j9HnP

A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

“I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”

Though Vallone went public with his coronavirus diagnosis in an April 1 Twitter post, saying he was experiencing “mild symptoms,” his actual condition was considerably more severe. Vallone’s initial prognosis was particularly grim, as he also suffers from sarcoidosis, an auto-immune disease that attacks his lungs.

“We were in panic mode when I went down because I didn’t have a lot of immune response,” he said. “I needed something to stay alive.”

Hydroxychloroquine “worked for me.”

Vallone’s brother Peter, a former City Councilman and a current civil court judge in Queens, also became a convert after his brother’s illness.

“I guess all those doctors who are prescribing it are right. This drug is already on the market and the patent is up so it’s cheap. A new drug won’t be. So big money does not want this drug to be used. Always follow the money,” Peter Vallone said in a May 12 Facebook post, sharing a link to an NYU study touting the drug.

“[It] saved my life,” Paul Vallone said in the comments.

Hydroxychloroquine, a Malaria medication which has been on the market since 1955, came back into the spotlight this year as a potential pandemic miracle cure. President Trump has frequently touted the drug and even took it himself for a time to help ward off the virus — and has been criticized for it.

“You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers before you catch it. The frontline workers — many, many are taking it,” Trump said in May.

The drug has proven controversial. In June, the Food and Drug Administration declared hydroxychloroquine “unlikely to be effective in treating #COVID19.”

Scientific studies about the drug’s efficacy have been mixed.

Paul Vallone, however, remains grateful for the president’s advocacy.

“At that time, there was only fear and panic, he offered hope in a possible treatment when there was none. With my sarcoidosis and then my COVID symptoms, It basically saved me. For that my family will always be thankful,“ he said.

I personally know two people here in NY that were helped by this drug. Too bad Trump mentioned it a few times. It made people actually root against it working. Crazy. 

It’d be such a crime against humanity if this drug works and medical professionals are against prescribing it, and people touting it are censored on social media for spreading misinformation, simply based on Trump touting it. 

Sure would. But are you surprised? How could people root against it working? It’s ridiculous. 

It would be, but there is zero evidence that this is what's happening.

Several large, well done RCTs have not shown any benefit to using hydroxychloroquine, and because of this evidence it is not recommended to be used. The fact that some people here and there recover after having used it is meaningless. This is why we do science - to find out if something actually works, rather than people just thinking or hoping it works. 

No one is rooting against an effective treatment; people have quite reasonably moved on from a treatment without proven benefit to look for other treatments that might actually have benefit.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-no-evidence-treatment

oftenreading said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

A  NYC city councilman, who is a democrat, says that hydroxychloroquine “saved his life” in his battle against Covid in March.

https://t.co/TYv85j9HnP

A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

“I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”

Though Vallone went public with his coronavirus diagnosis in an April 1 Twitter post, saying he was experiencing “mild symptoms,” his actual condition was considerably more severe. Vallone’s initial prognosis was particularly grim, as he also suffers from sarcoidosis, an auto-immune disease that attacks his lungs.

“We were in panic mode when I went down because I didn’t have a lot of immune response,” he said. “I needed something to stay alive.”

Hydroxychloroquine “worked for me.”

Vallone’s brother Peter, a former City Councilman and a current civil court judge in Queens, also became a convert after his brother’s illness.

“I guess all those doctors who are prescribing it are right. This drug is already on the market and the patent is up so it’s cheap. A new drug won’t be. So big money does not want this drug to be used. Always follow the money,” Peter Vallone said in a May 12 Facebook post, sharing a link to an NYU study touting the drug.

“[It] saved my life,” Paul Vallone said in the comments.

Hydroxychloroquine, a Malaria medication which has been on the market since 1955, came back into the spotlight this year as a potential pandemic miracle cure. President Trump has frequently touted the drug and even took it himself for a time to help ward off the virus — and has been criticized for it.

“You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers before you catch it. The frontline workers — many, many are taking it,” Trump said in May.

The drug has proven controversial. In June, the Food and Drug Administration declared hydroxychloroquine “unlikely to be effective in treating #COVID19.”

Scientific studies about the drug’s efficacy have been mixed.

Paul Vallone, however, remains grateful for the president’s advocacy.

“At that time, there was only fear and panic, he offered hope in a possible treatment when there was none. With my sarcoidosis and then my COVID symptoms, It basically saved me. For that my family will always be thankful,“ he said.

I personally know two people here in NY that were helped by this drug. Too bad Trump mentioned it a few times. It made people actually root against it working. Crazy. 

It’d be such a crime against humanity if this drug works and medical professionals are against prescribing it, and people touting it are censored on social media for spreading misinformation, simply based on Trump touting it. 

Sure would. But are you surprised? How could people root against it working? It’s ridiculous. 

It would be, but there is zero evidence that this is what's happening.

Several large, well done RCTs have not shown any benefit to using hydroxychloroquine, and because of this evidence it is not recommended to be used. The fact that some people here and there recover after having used it is meaningless. This is why we do science - to find out if something actually works, rather than people just thinking or hoping it works. 

No one is rooting against an effective treatment; people have quite reasonably moved on from a treatment without proven benefit to look for other treatments that might actually have benefit.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-no-evidence-treatment

From that article, it doesn’t seem like it hurts to at least try the drug if you’re on death’s door from Covid and that’s the only card you have left to play. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

A  NYC city councilman, who is a democrat, says that hydroxychloroquine “saved his life” in his battle against Covid in March.

https://t.co/TYv85j9HnP

A Democratic New York City Councilman says hydroxychloroquine saved his life after a near-fatal run-in with COVID-19 in March.

Paul Vallone, who represents northeast Queens, took the drug along with a standard Z-pack — given for bacterial infections — and came back from the brink almost immediately.

“I couldn’t breathe, very weak, couldn’t get out of bed. My doctor prescribed it. My pharmacy had it. Took it that day and within two to three days I was able to breathe,” Vallone told The Post. “Within a week I was back on my feet.”

Though Vallone went public with his coronavirus diagnosis in an April 1 Twitter post, saying he was experiencing “mild symptoms,” his actual condition was considerably more severe. Vallone’s initial prognosis was particularly grim, as he also suffers from sarcoidosis, an auto-immune disease that attacks his lungs.

“We were in panic mode when I went down because I didn’t have a lot of immune response,” he said. “I needed something to stay alive.”

Hydroxychloroquine “worked for me.”

Vallone’s brother Peter, a former City Councilman and a current civil court judge in Queens, also became a convert after his brother’s illness.

“I guess all those doctors who are prescribing it are right. This drug is already on the market and the patent is up so it’s cheap. A new drug won’t be. So big money does not want this drug to be used. Always follow the money,” Peter Vallone said in a May 12 Facebook post, sharing a link to an NYU study touting the drug.

“[It] saved my life,” Paul Vallone said in the comments.

Hydroxychloroquine, a Malaria medication which has been on the market since 1955, came back into the spotlight this year as a potential pandemic miracle cure. President Trump has frequently touted the drug and even took it himself for a time to help ward off the virus — and has been criticized for it.

“You’d be surprised at how many people are taking it, especially the frontline workers before you catch it. The frontline workers — many, many are taking it,” Trump said in May.

The drug has proven controversial. In June, the Food and Drug Administration declared hydroxychloroquine “unlikely to be effective in treating #COVID19.”

Scientific studies about the drug’s efficacy have been mixed.

Paul Vallone, however, remains grateful for the president’s advocacy.

“At that time, there was only fear and panic, he offered hope in a possible treatment when there was none. With my sarcoidosis and then my COVID symptoms, It basically saved me. For that my family will always be thankful,“ he said.

I personally know two people here in NY that were helped by this drug. Too bad Trump mentioned it a few times. It made people actually root against it working. Crazy. 

It’d be such a crime against humanity if this drug works and medical professionals are against prescribing it, and people touting it are censored on social media for spreading misinformation, simply based on Trump touting it. 

Sure would. But are you surprised? How could people root against it working? It’s ridiculous. 

It would be, but there is zero evidence that this is what's happening.

Several large, well done RCTs have not shown any benefit to using hydroxychloroquine, and because of this evidence it is not recommended to be used. The fact that some people here and there recover after having used it is meaningless. This is why we do science - to find out if something actually works, rather than people just thinking or hoping it works. 

No one is rooting against an effective treatment; people have quite reasonably moved on from a treatment without proven benefit to look for other treatments that might actually have benefit.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine-no-evidence-treatment

From that article, it doesn’t seem like it hurts to at least try the drug if you’re on death’s door from Covid and that’s the only card you have left to play. 

No, that's absolutely the wrong approach.

If a drug is not effective, then you are just exposing yourself to potential side effects if you use it, and why would you do that? There are other treatments that actually have some efficacy, so better to use those for which there is evidence rather than those which have repeatedly been proven not to be effective.