Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

mrussel1 · August 2020

Biden

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

RiotZact said:

dignin said:

RiotZact said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either.

Jeez.

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either.

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind".

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election.

Except his point was fundamentally accurate.

What point are you talking about? That the African American community isn't diverse?

That the AA community can be considered more homogeneous than the Latino community. The AA community has been in this country for centuries and has developed the culture we have today. Music, film, literature, etc. are all heavily influenced by them. The Latino communities are comprised of immigrants from countries that have their own unique cultures very different from one another. Mexico is a different world than Cuba, as an example. That's the point he was making. Of course the AA community is not completely homogeneous, just like the White community isn't.

Okay, I don't disagree with a word of this. But obviously, it's easier for you to articulate this point on a message board than it is for Joe Biden to say it live on TV. When I'm critical of these sort of Biden quotes, it's not because I give a shit what he thinks or says. I'm not woke enough (or woke at all) to be like "How dare he disparage the African American community like that!" No, I'm looking at it from an electioneering standpoint: his gaffes give fuel to use against him, and his gaffes can be spun. If he wasn't running against the worst incumbent president ever, this sort of stuff might hurt him big time.

Bingo. Expecting the average undecided voter to understand the intricacies of that point is foolhardy.

Team Trump would do this kind of stuff to whoever the democratic nominee was. So I don't really understand the panic, this kind of dirty politics was expected and baked in.

Of course he would. But you don’t think that some candidates are easier targets than others?

You don't think anything you say on racial issues couldn't be manipulated to make you look racist?

Me personally? Probably. I’ve been known to say things too quickly and have to put my foot in my mouth. For that reason I don’t think I would be a great presidential candidate.

How about this though. A few posts back you explained what Biden’s point was, and you did a great job. Do you think it would have been as easy to attack him if he had used your words?

I don't know if it would or not, probably not. But I have to say that I had to think about how to write it. Much, much easier than saying it in an interview. I would argue it's impossible to speak in a way that could not be manipulated.

Fair point about getting to think about it before writing it. So how about 2008 Obama? Does he word it in such an easily exploited way? Can you seriously not admit that this is an issue? Not to me, not to any of the other people on this forum, but to undecided voters that make up their minds by the ads that they see on YouTube. Of course anyone’s words can be twisted or taken out of context to make them look bad. But there certainly has to be a percentage of people that are better at not allowing it than others, and Biden is clearly not one of those people.

1. Obama was an extraordinarily talented speaker and politician. He is once in a generation/lifetime type person. That has to stop being the bar. He's also inoculated against racial issues in a way not afforded to Biden or any other White one. So I don't think it's a good comparison. To be fair, I think we all know that Biden has "binders full of women" at the ready.

2. A person who is making a judgment to vote for Trump or Biden, based on racial issues, is not going to flip to Trump based on this. I suppose it could serve to suppress.

Ledbetterman10 · August 2020

Biden

RiotZact said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Your points are definitely true but I think Clinton is a really high fucking bar. I am from West/Central PA aka “Pennsyltucky” and I cannot tell you how many people I know that voted Democrat their entire life but couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Hillary. Most just stayed home, but a few, including my Dad, voted Trump.

She was such a terrible candidate that I actually think her candidacy may have turned countless lifelong Democrats into lifelong Republicans or lifetime “why vote when your just picking the better of two evils” people. After trying to unsuccessfully force her on us in 2008 and again in 2016 I think that she is now synonymous with the Democrat Party and has thus impacted the chances of every future Democrat candidate, most of all Biden.

Yeah I agree on the notion of her being "forced" on us. What a botch. It should've been Biden THEN actually. I've heard two reasons as to why he didn't run in 2016. The first being that his son had just passed, and the second being that Obama told the DNC that Hillary would be the better candidate. Not sure what's true, but Biden, like Bush Sr. and (almost) Gore, could've rode high on the previous president that he served under's popularity.

mrussel1 · August 2020

Biden

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

JimmyV · August 2020

Biden

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

gimmesometruth27 · August 2020

Biden

i do believe that biden will surround himself with better and younger, more energetic people that will pull him in a more progressive direction. he is old school, and old school politics is you work across the aisle on some things in order to get the big things you really want.

static111 · August 2020

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

How long until this becomes a reality and how vehemently will people justify it. I mean they let Reagan serve out his term.

Thanks for pushing Putin on the ritz. Got an answer? Here’s mine, 160,000 covid dead and counting, how worse can it get before, “it just goes away like things go away?”

So Biden is going to impose a country wide economic shutdown and mitigate the spread when he steps in, or is he gonna magic it away? With how far out of control Covid is what do you see Biden doing that will mitigate the spread? Or even stop it all together? I get it Trump is literally the worst, that doesn’t blind me to the fact that Biden would be a terrible candidate against any normal Republican if any of those are even left at this point.

What’s the provenance of the meme you posted? Did you come up with that yourself or are you pushing a false narrative that Sleepy Woke Joe is demented and unfit for the position? If you think Sleepy Woke Joe is worse than the word salad “it’ll go away like things go away,” and “everyone is saying that, it’s in the books, read the manuals,” that doesn’t have to be made into a pretend or alternative reality via meme or doctored twitter photo or news clip, then clearly we’re fucked, particularly if “our” side is going to propagate the myth. Thanks for helping.

I expect Sleepy Woke Joe to listen to the experts and scientists and Marshall a coordinated federal response of expanded and rapid testing, contact tracing and publicly repeatedly stating that people need to wear masks, stay home, social distance and if deaths continue unabated, talk about, propose, float the idea of a national 90 day lockdown, with a plan to mitigate the impact of such a drastic action. You know lead.

How many here want to be where we are today 6,9,12 months from now? Because that’s where we’re going to be if people don’t wake the fuck up and someone leads us out of this mess.

But boats with wheels and dogs and pancakes. Thoughts and prayers.

I think sleepy woke Joe is a sleepwalking incoherent at times word salad. I will still be voting for him because the only other choice is Trump and I'm not an idiot. I will continue to criticize him and post memes if I think they are funny. If you think a humorous meme about a pancake with a bone is more likely to get someone to abstain from voting or flipping to Trump, than some nonsense that Joe says and has to have his media team clarify I don't know what to tell you Comrade! I personally think Joe is too deep in the pocket of Capitalism to propose an actual 90 day shutdown at this point but we will see what the future holds.

mrussel1 · August 2020

Biden

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

Kat · August 2020

Biden

I think Joe is more progressive than he's given credit for...but my biggest hope for right now is that he sets us back on a good course. I want him to repair our damaged reputation in the world with our allies and staff the government with people who can give us the services we pay taxes for...and reverse some things that have been put in place since 2016. I want the children and others out of cages, so I hear that's getting more judges in place to hear the asylum cases, things like that. If he can do that, then we can progress with other things. Our government is set to move slowly, not lurch from this and that...and we sure have been lurching. I can't wait to vote.
Added: Also, I'm looking forward to a lot less politicization of EVERYTHING.

RiotZact · August 2020

Biden

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

I think you give the average voter way too much credit.

mrussel1 · August 2020

Biden

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

I think you give the average voter way too much credit.

Then the other option is that the country the media and Twitter tells us about doesn't really exist. It's actually centrist and moderate. If that's the case, then don't expect a progressive firebrand to be the next D nominee any time soon.

JimmyV · August 2020

Biden

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

Eh, maybe. I think any voter that was convinced by Joe saying he could work with Senate Republicans was sold a bill of goods. Removing the cancer from office and having a POTUS that acts presidential is about all we can hope for.

OnWis97 · August 2020

Biden

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

I'd be with you if it was the Biden of at least 10 years ago. That guy would run the score up in debates with Trump. But he just seems so freaking old right now. He used to be sharp-tongued with just a hint of edgy cynicism that I loved (rubbed some the wrong way, I bet). That would have served him well against Trump. But now he's just too old to be a great candidate. And I question his ability to do the job.

Of course he's going to put more effort in than Trump, by default and surround himself with far better people. I'm voting for him but I don't like the pick. Pragmatic made the most sense. We're not going from Trump to Bernie. We're just not. We have to get back to normal before we start going for actual progressiveness.

Unfortunately, the party that brought us a youthful fresh face in 2008 didn't really have a deep bench. Biden represents "back to normal" but again, I'd have liked the 60-year old version much better.

RiotZact · August 2020

Biden

mrussel1 said:

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

I think you give the average voter way too much credit.

Then the other option is that the country the media and Twitter tells us about doesn't really exist. It's actually centrist and moderate. If that's the case, then don't expect a progressive firebrand to be the next D nominee any time soon.

I think that people voted Biden because they saw him as the “safe” choice to be able to take down Trump. And I think that they saw it that way because the DNC and the big Democrat donors wanted them to see it that way. Just like in 2008 and 2016 they wanted someone that had a history of towing the line. Luckily in 2008 there was a juggernaut that was too good to be beaten by the usual tactics. The same thing happened in 2016, but it happened during the general election instead of the primaries.

JimmyV · August 2020

Biden

The Biden who spanked Paul Ryan on the debate stage in 2012 is the guy we want to show up in 2020.

RiotZact · August 2020

Biden

JimmyV said:

The Biden who spanked Paul Ryan on the debate stage in 2012 is the guy we want to show up in 2020.

Correct. I would also like to be the same weight that I was in 2012. Unfortunately I don’t think either of these scenarios are likely.

mrussel1 · August 2020

Biden

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

I think you give the average voter way too much credit.

Then the other option is that the country the media and Twitter tells us about doesn't really exist. It's actually centrist and moderate. If that's the case, then don't expect a progressive firebrand to be the next D nominee any time soon.

I think that people voted Biden because they saw him as the “safe” choice to be able to take down Trump. And I think that they saw it that way because the DNC and the big Democrat donors wanted them to see it that way. Just like in 2008 and 2016 they wanted someone that had a history of towing the line. Luckily in 2008 there was a juggernaut that was too good to be beaten by the usual tactics. The same thing happened in 2016, but it happened during the general election instead of the primaries.

I agree on the safe choice, but the statement about the donors is dead wrong. He had basically zero money on Super Tuesday. He was swamped financially by Sanders and Warren. He won handily in states where he didn't even advertise and no one advertised for him. Biden's wins on Super Tuesday were out of nowhere, no money, no ground game. People voted for him for a variety of reasons, but the reality is that he is actually the grass roots candidate for this cycle.

RiotZact · August 2020

Biden

mrussel1 said:

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

RiotZact said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

mrussel1 said:

JimmyV said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

RiotZact said:

JimmyV said:

Anyone claiming now or forever that they voted for Trump because of "gaffes" by the Democratic nominee is a liar. They voted for Trump because they wanted to and went shopping for a rationale.

Still...should have been Warren.

I think it’s more about convincing people to get off their ass and vote. People that felt compelled to go vote for Obama but didn’t feel the same passion for Clinton.

I think there’s even less passion for Biden than there was for Clinton. Biden just has the good fortune of going up against Trump during Trump’s dreadful Covid response. Take away Covid, and Trump’s still his shitty self, but with a good economy and no pandemic blood on his hands. Plus, Biden would have to be traveling around the country giving daily speeches in front of live audiences if not for Covid.

Disagree. Clinton was loathed by half the country and that was known long before she became the nominee. Plus, she had gone through an ugly primary fight with Obama in 2008 and many Democrats remembered that. Biden really has never been disliked the same way.

I don't think Biden is bad at all. I think he is a fundamentally good human being. Is he less articulate than Obama? Sure. But if you know what he means and you think his heart is in the right place (which I do), then why cast stones?

I love Biden. I just think he is old, straight, white and male, and it is 2020 in America. It surprises me that this is the direction the Democratic party chose to go in. Even before BLM exploded, I would have thought the mood of the party was for a more diverse candidate. Plus, I really thought the winner in 2016 would be the last Boomer to serve as President.

I think the voters took a pragmatic approach to this election, and I'm frankly impressed by it. Biden made the case that he can get us back to 'normal', not over steer, and remove the cancer from the office. That was his argument and people were clearly onboard with it.

I think you give the average voter way too much credit.

Then the other option is that the country the media and Twitter tells us about doesn't really exist. It's actually centrist and moderate. If that's the case, then don't expect a progressive firebrand to be the next D nominee any time soon.

I think that people voted Biden because they saw him as the “safe” choice to be able to take down Trump. And I think that they saw it that way because the DNC and the big Democrat donors wanted them to see it that way. Just like in 2008 and 2016 they wanted someone that had a history of towing the line. Luckily in 2008 there was a juggernaut that was too good to be beaten by the usual tactics. The same thing happened in 2016, but it happened during the general election instead of the primaries.

I agree on the safe choice, but the statement about the donors is dead wrong. He had basically zero money on Super Tuesday. He was swamped financially by Sanders and Warren. He won handily in states where he didn't even advertise and no one advertised for him. Biden's wins on Super Tuesday were out of nowhere, no money, no ground game. People voted for him for a variety of reasons, but the reality is that he is actually the grass roots candidate for this cycle.

But wasn’t the vast majority of Sander’s and Warren’s money from small donations? I don’t know that for sure, but I’m guessing that Biden had the support of the mainstream Dem super-PACs and such. I honestly don’t know though.

Halifax2TheMax · August 2020

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

static111 said:

How long until this becomes a reality and how vehemently will people justify it. I mean they let Reagan serve out his term.

Thanks for pushing Putin on the ritz. Got an answer? Here’s mine, 160,000 covid dead and counting, how worse can it get before, “it just goes away like things go away?”

So Biden is going to impose a country wide economic shutdown and mitigate the spread when he steps in, or is he gonna magic it away? With how far out of control Covid is what do you see Biden doing that will mitigate the spread? Or even stop it all together? I get it Trump is literally the worst, that doesn’t blind me to the fact that Biden would be a terrible candidate against any normal Republican if any of those are even left at this point.

What’s the provenance of the meme you posted? Did you come up with that yourself or are you pushing a false narrative that Sleepy Woke Joe is demented and unfit for the position? If you think Sleepy Woke Joe is worse than the word salad “it’ll go away like things go away,” and “everyone is saying that, it’s in the books, read the manuals,” that doesn’t have to be made into a pretend or alternative reality via meme or doctored twitter photo or news clip, then clearly we’re fucked, particularly if “our” side is going to propagate the myth. Thanks for helping.

I expect Sleepy Woke Joe to listen to the experts and scientists and Marshall a coordinated federal response of expanded and rapid testing, contact tracing and publicly repeatedly stating that people need to wear masks, stay home, social distance and if deaths continue unabated, talk about, propose, float the idea of a national 90 day lockdown, with a plan to mitigate the impact of such a drastic action. You know lead.

How many here want to be where we are today 6,9,12 months from now? Because that’s where we’re going to be if people don’t wake the fuck up and someone leads us out of this mess.

But boats with wheels and dogs and pancakes. Thoughts and prayers.

I think sleepy woke Joe is a sleepwalking incoherent at times word salad. I will still be voting for him because the only other choice is Trump and I'm not an idiot. I will continue to criticize him and post memes if I think they are funny. If you think a humorous meme about a pancake with a bone is more likely to get someone to abstain from voting or flipping to Trump, than some nonsense that Joe says and has to have his media team clarify I don't know what to tell you Comrade! I personally think Joe is too deep in the pocket of Capitalism to propose an actual 90 day shutdown at this point but we will see what the future holds.

How many months and deaths are you willing to settle for before you and the “kinda dems” decide Sleepy Woke Joe needs all the help he can get? Funny memes aside?

Its naive to think that social media doesn’t influence how people think and potentially vote. People really need to start to not only pay attention to, but to understand, what Putin on the ritz and other nefarious actors are up to and the impact that it’s having. All without firing a shot or spilling their own blood. Feel free to contribute to it though, it’s Murica.

FiveBelow · August 2020

I'm sitting this one out

mrussel1 said:

JW269453 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates.

https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1291447192222420999?s=20

They should really hold an emergency meeting and get one of the younger candidates to replace him.

The DNC was gifted a hanging change-up and delivered with a can of corn.

Do you think the DNC chooses the candidate? Did you sleep through the primaries? People just like me overwhelmingly voted for Biden over the other individuals who made their own decision to run for president.

No, but I do think there is plenty of influence and they got who they wanted. I understand that you are partial to Biden and that is fine, I just don’t know how much he moves the needle in an election that is being touted even more do-or-die than normal.

The Juggler · August 2020

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either.

Jeez.

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either.

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind".

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election.

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's.

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to.

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all.

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

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