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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited September 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    Lol, I know right?! 

    It's like people think Trump is the one polling at 50% and not in the mid to low 40's...
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    yeah it sticks to the degree that tRump has consistently trailed Biden by 7-8%....that's good enough
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  • Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    tbergs said:
    mrussel1 said:

    Bloomby dear savior ought to buy 40 million of those and airdrop them at night in all those red districts. Let people find them on their dog walks and getting into their trucks in the morning. Might move the needle by a vote.
    Unfortunately, this is a positive to his voters. To them, it shows that he is a smart business man who knows how to avoid over taxation. They think by having him as president he will share his good fortunes and help them avoid taxes as well. Many Trump supporters are in favor of payments off the record so the government doesn't get a hold of their money. I've had first hand interactions with these people. While I agree, taxes should be commensurate upon your wealth, I don't think paying nothing is a good thing either.
    Not so fast. Here's the rub: that argument could and did, to an extent, work for him in 2016. In 2016 he blatantly admitted to gaming the system and his supporters thought he was a genius. At the same time he was telling us he was gaming the system, he used that as his outsider pitch and would say "who better than me to fix it?" Right? He knew how to game the system so he knows better than anyone else how to fix it. But he didn't. 

    So here we are four years later and not only did he not fix the system, he rigged it further into his favor with that unnecessary tax cut for predominantly wealthy folks and corporations.

    Biden's gotta hammer him on this relentlessly tonight. It's more of a winning issue for dems moreso now than it was when he was the outsider four years ago. Of course 40% of his supporters will never desert him, but those precious few undecideds are the pot of gold who Biden needs to lock this up. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,147
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    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
    Some of that...combined with all the cultish stuff that leads people to be dedicated to him under any imaginable circumstances.  Throw in a little "I'll never admit I was wrong."

    I guess you could call him teflon but I think the teflon is sort of created by some other things.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited September 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
    But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

    You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....
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    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
    But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

    You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....
    anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 
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  • mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
    But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

    You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....
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    what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
    But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

    You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....
    anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 
    What's your point? We know that. Doesn't change the fact that he's still in the low 40's while  his opponent is at 50% despite being smeared by Trump's campaign for about a year now. 


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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 
    Considering there are reports that the Durham report is pushed back till after the election, I'd take the over. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,684
    Biden
    what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 
    Considering there are reports that the Durham report is pushed back till after the election, I'd take the over. 
    They'll find something to announce to attempt to drive a news cycle.  I think most people are fairly numb to the theatrics though.
  • Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
    But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

    You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....
    anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 
    What's your point? We know that. Doesn't change the fact that he's still in the low 40's while  his opponent is at 50% despite being smeared by Trump's campaign for about a year now. 


    My point is you said this: Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined

    my response was directly to that point, that you seem to be forgetting that nothing sticks to trump. yeah, he's got skeletons. most of them are out of the closet already and it hasn't mattered one bit. even after being elected he's never polled at 50%. yeah, he's polling lower than biden, but i'm saying any other candidate would be polling much lower than he is. i think these poll numbers are more of a reflection of the covid response than anything to do with him personally. 

    i think we all know it's not 2016, but some here seem to think this is all done. there's just over a month to go. a lot can still happen. and probably will. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited September 2020
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    So Trump owes more than $300M? Seems like an enormous conflict of interest. Pity for him this news comes out right before the debates.

    Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined. I'd expect more of this to to come. Biden should really pounce on it tomorrow night.

    I also saw a report that the Durahm thing might not come out until after the election.

    2020 is not 2016.
    nothing seems to stick to don, though. we have what seems to be scandal exhaustion, so everything that would singularly take any other politician down, we are so used to it with him, it won't. 
    It does stick though.  That's why his numbers are terrible, amongst plenty of other reasons. 
    he is still polling at about the same numbers as hillary was in 2016, who most of us thought was going to win, after everything that's come out about him. i'd say he's pretty teflon. 
    But Biden is polling about 5% higher than Hillary. That's a huge difference. 

    You could argue that Biden is more teflon considering the sheer amount of garbage the Trump campaign has thrown at him and he's still sitting at 50% while Trump's floundering in the low 40's....
    anyone other than trump would be polling in the low 30's with everything that has come out over the last 5 years. actually, they probably would have been primaried. 
    What's your point? We know that. Doesn't change the fact that he's still in the low 40's while  his opponent is at 50% despite being smeared by Trump's campaign for about a year now. 


    My point is you said this: Folks, you see, most people are sitting around dreading an October surprise that will damage Biden.....they're forgetting that Trump has more skeletons in his closet than most in Washington combined

    my response was directly to that point, that you seem to be forgetting that nothing sticks to trump. yeah, he's got skeletons. most of them are out of the closet already and it hasn't mattered one bit. even after being elected he's never polled at 50%. yeah, he's polling lower than biden, but i'm saying any other candidate would be polling much lower than he is. i think these poll numbers are more of a reflection of the covid response than anything to do with him personally. 

    i think we all know it's not 2016, but some here seem to think this is all done. there's just over a month to go. a lot can still happen. and probably will. 
    They do matter though. They’re helping to keep him polling in the low 40’s. Meaning he’s not been capable of expanding his base. 

    And again, for all the nonsense thrown at Biden, he’s at 50%. Perhaps he fends off this stuff better. 

    Nobody thinks the election is over. That’s ridiculous 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    mrussel1 said:
    what's the over/under on the date that Bill Barr will announce the DOJ is investigating Biden? I'm thinking October 26 or so. 
    Considering there are reports that the Durham report is pushed back till after the election, I'd take the over. 
    They'll find something to announce to attempt to drive a news cycle.  I think most people are fairly numb to the theatrics though.
    For sure. I think it’s noteworthy that Maria Bartilaroma (or whatever her name is) was the one who first reported it though. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,147
    Biden
    With Covid, people are voting now.  I plan to do so this week.  I wonder whether the "October surprise" factor is not going to be as big of a thing for that reason.  Comey opening up the email investigation last time was enormous.  But I don't know whether that can be matched.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited September 2020
    Biden
    Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283

    Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million


    The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission Tuesday accusing the Trump campaign of “laundering” $170 million through numerous companies, some with connections to former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale.

    Donald Trump Holds Campaign Rally In Lexington Kentucky
    LEXINGTON, KY - NOVEMBER 04: Brad Parscale, campaign manager for U.S. President Donald Trump, ... [+] GETTY IMAGES

    KEY FACTS

    “The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.

    It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”

    The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically honing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.

    AMMC was ostensibly created to circumvent media buyers, but the complaint points to FCC records that show the campaign has used media buying firm Harris Sikes to place some of its ads, alleging the campaign is “failing to report payments to the firms and is instead using AMMC as a conduit for its payments to the firms.”

    The complaint also points to an app called Phunware, which Parscale has said was created and is “directly owned” by the campaign, but which has never appeared in the campaign’s spending reports because, as the complaint alleges, it was paid through AMMC.

     campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh denied the charges made in the complaint, telling Forbes, “The campaign reports all payments to AMMC as required by the FEC. The campaign complies with all campaign finance laws and FEC regulations.”

    CRUCIAL QUOTE

    By failing to report payments to the campaign’s true vendors and employees, the Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee have violated, and continue to violate, federal law’s transparency requirements,” the complaint asserts, adding that such activities “undermine the vital public information role that reporting is intended to serve.”

    KEY BACKGROUND

    Parscale was named as Trump’s campaign manager in February 2018 but was replaced in that role by Bill Stepien earlier this month. Parscale’s firms have long been the object of media scrutiny for receiving large sums from the Trump campaign and for Parscale maintaining a lavish lifestyle well beyond the means of most presidential campaign managers.

    CHIEF CRITIC

    "Voters have a right to know how campaigns are spending money to influence elections," CLC founder and President Trevor Potter, a Republican and former FEC Chair, told CNN. "This scheme flies in the face of transparency requirements mandated by federal law, and it leaves voters and donors in the dark about where the campaign's funds are actually going."

    NEWS PEG

    The allegation comes amid reports that the Trump campaign also moved millions in campaign funds to Trump’s private business interests. Forbes’ Dan Alexander and Michela Tindera reported earlier this month that the Trump campaign has pushed nearly $7 million towards Trump’s businesses since the president entered office.

    WHAT TO WATCH FOR

    The complaint asks the FEC, which regulates campaign finance, to “conduct an immediate investigation” and “seek appropriate sanctions for any and all violations, including civil penalties sufficient to deter future violations.”

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  • Biden
    Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283

    Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million


    The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission Tuesday accusing the Trump campaign of “laundering” $170 million through numerous companies, some with connections to former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale.

    Donald Trump Holds Campaign Rally In Lexington Kentucky

    LEXINGTON, KY - NOVEMBER 04: Brad Parscale, campaign manager for U.S. President Donald Trump, ... [+]

     GETTY IMAGES

    KEY FACTS

    “The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.

    It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”

    The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically honing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.

    AMMC was ostensibly created to circumvent media buyers, but the complaint points to FCC records that show the campaign has used media buying firm Harris Sikes to place some of its ads, alleging the campaign is “failing to report payments to the firms and is instead using AMMC as a conduit for its payments to the firms.”

    The complaint also points to an app called Phunware, which Parscale has said was created and is “directly owned” by the campaign, but which has never appeared in the campaign’s spending reports because, as the complaint alleges, it was paid through AMMC.

     campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh denied the charges made in the complaint, telling Forbes, “The campaign reports all payments to AMMC as required by the FEC. The campaign complies with all campaign finance laws and FEC regulations.”

    CRUCIAL QUOTE

    By failing to report payments to the campaign’s true vendors and employees, the Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee have violated, and continue to violate, federal law’s transparency requirements,” the complaint asserts, adding that such activities “undermine the vital public information role that reporting is intended to serve.”

    KEY BACKGROUND

    Parscale was named as Trump’s campaign manager in February 2018 but was replaced in that role by Bill Stepien earlier this month. Parscale’s firms have long been the object of media scrutiny for receiving large sums from the Trump campaign and for Parscale maintaining a lavish lifestyle well beyond the means of most presidential campaign managers.

    CHIEF CRITIC

    "Voters have a right to know how campaigns are spending money to influence elections," CLC founder and President Trevor Potter, a Republican and former FEC Chair, told CNN. "This scheme flies in the face of transparency requirements mandated by federal law, and it leaves voters and donors in the dark about where the campaign's funds are actually going."

    NEWS PEG

    The allegation comes amid reports that the Trump campaign also moved millions in campaign funds to Trump’s private business interests. Forbes’ Dan Alexander and Michela Tindera reported earlier this month that the Trump campaign has pushed nearly $7 million towards Trump’s businesses since the president entered office.

    WHAT TO WATCH FOR

    The complaint asks the FEC, which regulates campaign finance, to “conduct an immediate investigation” and “seek appropriate sanctions for any and all violations, including civil penalties sufficient to deter future violations.”

    That's what I'm thinking...I saw a theory that he may have received a target letter yesterday that set him off.  Innocent people don't commit suicide.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283

    Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million


    The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission Tuesday accusing the Trump campaign of “laundering” $170 million through numerous companies, some with connections to former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale.

    Donald Trump Holds Campaign Rally In Lexington Kentucky

    LEXINGTON, KY - NOVEMBER 04: Brad Parscale, campaign manager for U.S. President Donald Trump, ... [+]

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    KEY FACTS

    “The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.

    It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”

    The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically honing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.

    AMMC was ostensibly created to circumvent media buyers, but the complaint points to FCC records that show the campaign has used media buying firm Harris Sikes to place some of its ads, alleging the campaign is “failing to report payments to the firms and is instead using AMMC as a conduit for its payments to the firms.”

    The complaint also points to an app called Phunware, which Parscale has said was created and is “directly owned” by the campaign, but which has never appeared in the campaign’s spending reports because, as the complaint alleges, it was paid through AMMC.

     campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh denied the charges made in the complaint, telling Forbes, “The campaign reports all payments to AMMC as required by the FEC. The campaign complies with all campaign finance laws and FEC regulations.”

    CRUCIAL QUOTE

    By failing to report payments to the campaign’s true vendors and employees, the Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee have violated, and continue to violate, federal law’s transparency requirements,” the complaint asserts, adding that such activities “undermine the vital public information role that reporting is intended to serve.”

    KEY BACKGROUND

    Parscale was named as Trump’s campaign manager in February 2018 but was replaced in that role by Bill Stepien earlier this month. Parscale’s firms have long been the object of media scrutiny for receiving large sums from the Trump campaign and for Parscale maintaining a lavish lifestyle well beyond the means of most presidential campaign managers.

    CHIEF CRITIC

    "Voters have a right to know how campaigns are spending money to influence elections," CLC founder and President Trevor Potter, a Republican and former FEC Chair, told CNN. "This scheme flies in the face of transparency requirements mandated by federal law, and it leaves voters and donors in the dark about where the campaign's funds are actually going."

    NEWS PEG

    The allegation comes amid reports that the Trump campaign also moved millions in campaign funds to Trump’s private business interests. Forbes’ Dan Alexander and Michela Tindera reported earlier this month that the Trump campaign has pushed nearly $7 million towards Trump’s businesses since the president entered office.

    WHAT TO WATCH FOR

    The complaint asks the FEC, which regulates campaign finance, to “conduct an immediate investigation” and “seek appropriate sanctions for any and all violations, including civil penalties sufficient to deter future violations.”

    That's what I'm thinking...I saw a theory that he may have received a target letter yesterday that set him off.  Innocent people don't commit suicide.
    I can't imagine the level of anxiety Trump is under trying to keep so much shit out from the public eye. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,660
    Biden
    Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283

    Non-Partisan Watchdog Accuses Trump Campaign Of ‘Laundering’ $170 Million


    The Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan campaign finance watchdog group, filed a complaint with the Federal Elections Commission Tuesday accusing the Trump campaign of “laundering” $170 million through numerous companies, some with connections to former Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale.

    Donald Trump Holds Campaign Rally In Lexington Kentucky

    LEXINGTON, KY - NOVEMBER 04: Brad Parscale, campaign manager for U.S. President Donald Trump, ... [+]

     GETTY IMAGES

    KEY FACTS

    “The Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee disguised nearly $170 million of campaign spending by laundering the funds through firms,” the complaint claims.

    It adds that the firms are “headed by Trump’s recent campaign manager, Brad Parscale, and/or created by Trump campaign lawyers.”

    The complaint alleges that the Trump campaign paid millions of dollars to campaign-connected vendors without reporting those payments to the FEC, specifically honing in on American Made Media Consultants (AMMC), a firm created by Parscale, which has been paid over $106 million, making it the campaigns largest vendor.

    AMMC was ostensibly created to circumvent media buyers, but the complaint points to FCC records that show the campaign has used media buying firm Harris Sikes to place some of its ads, alleging the campaign is “failing to report payments to the firms and is instead using AMMC as a conduit for its payments to the firms.”

    The complaint also points to an app called Phunware, which Parscale has said was created and is “directly owned” by the campaign, but which has never appeared in the campaign’s spending reports because, as the complaint alleges, it was paid through AMMC.

     campaign communications director Tim Murtaugh denied the charges made in the complaint, telling Forbes, “The campaign reports all payments to AMMC as required by the FEC. The campaign complies with all campaign finance laws and FEC regulations.”

    CRUCIAL QUOTE

    By failing to report payments to the campaign’s true vendors and employees, the Trump campaign and Trump Make America Great Again Committee have violated, and continue to violate, federal law’s transparency requirements,” the complaint asserts, adding that such activities “undermine the vital public information role that reporting is intended to serve.”

    KEY BACKGROUND

    Parscale was named as Trump’s campaign manager in February 2018 but was replaced in that role by Bill Stepien earlier this month. Parscale’s firms have long been the object of media scrutiny for receiving large sums from the Trump campaign and for Parscale maintaining a lavish lifestyle well beyond the means of most presidential campaign managers.

    CHIEF CRITIC

    "Voters have a right to know how campaigns are spending money to influence elections," CLC founder and President Trevor Potter, a Republican and former FEC Chair, told CNN. "This scheme flies in the face of transparency requirements mandated by federal law, and it leaves voters and donors in the dark about where the campaign's funds are actually going."

    NEWS PEG

    The allegation comes amid reports that the Trump campaign also moved millions in campaign funds to Trump’s private business interests. Forbes’ Dan Alexander and Michela Tindera reported earlier this month that the Trump campaign has pushed nearly $7 million towards Trump’s businesses since the president entered office.

    WHAT TO WATCH FOR

    The complaint asks the FEC, which regulates campaign finance, to “conduct an immediate investigation” and “seek appropriate sanctions for any and all violations, including civil penalties sufficient to deter future violations.”

    That's what I'm thinking...I saw a theory that he may have received a target letter yesterday that set him off.  Innocent people don't commit suicide.
    I can't imagine the level of anxiety Trump is under trying to keep so much shit out from the public eye. 
    surely would need maybe only a quarter of  the energy he consumes to be legit instead, no?

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    Evidently, there's not one honest bone in his body. 
    Falling down,...not staying down
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,147
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    Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283


    That's what I'm thinking...I saw a theory that he may have received a target letter yesterday that set him off.  Innocent people don't commit suicide.
    I can't imagine the level of anxiety Trump is under trying to keep so much shit out from the public eye. 
    And all it probably amounts to is an ego hit because it indicates he might not be as rich as he claims.  But to him, this kind of thing is huge. I kind of enjoy that he gets all worked up about this stuff.  In a week it will be forgotten and he'll have gotten all wound up over nothing.  Then, repeat with something else.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    OnWis97 said:
    Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283


    That's what I'm thinking...I saw a theory that he may have received a target letter yesterday that set him off.  Innocent people don't commit suicide.
    I can't imagine the level of anxiety Trump is under trying to keep so much shit out from the public eye. 
    And all it probably amounts to is an ego hit because it indicates he might not be as rich as he claims.  But to him, this kind of thing is huge. I kind of enjoy that he gets all worked up about this stuff.  In a week it will be forgotten and he'll have gotten all wound up over nothing.  Then, repeat with something else.
    I think hiding the fact that he owes over $300,000,000 to (most likely) foreign banks that are coming due in the next few years might eat at him a little bit too. Just a little bit.

    Going bankrupt (again) is never fun. Especially for a former president. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,660
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    OnWis97 said:
    Wonder if this has something to do with Parscale's suicide attempt?  This article was from over the summer but maybe another big shoe is about to drop?

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/07/28/non-partisan-watchdog-accuses-trump-campaign-of-laundering-170-million/#71c935c61283


    That's what I'm thinking...I saw a theory that he may have received a target letter yesterday that set him off.  Innocent people don't commit suicide.
    I can't imagine the level of anxiety Trump is under trying to keep so much shit out from the public eye. 
    And all it probably amounts to is an ego hit because it indicates he might not be as rich as he claims.  But to him, this kind of thing is huge. I kind of enjoy that he gets all worked up about this stuff.  In a week it will be forgotten and he'll have gotten all wound up over nothing.  Then, repeat with something else.
    I think hiding the fact that he owes over $300,000,000 to (most likely) foreign banks that are coming due in the next few years might eat at him a little bit too. Just a little bit.

    Going bankrupt (again) is never fun. Especially for a former president. 
    umm, think he owes Deutsche Bank that money..... or rather through them....



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    The Frontline on PBS that aired last week is an interesting character analysis for both candidates. While Biden is a decent family man, Trump is a terrible person and one who frankly people should have started ignoring around 1990
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    How much you wanna bet Trump trots our Tara Reade tomorrow night?
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