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static111

Biden

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

The whole premise was that the parties are a reflection of the electorate.  My counter is that the parties are a reflection of the highest figure donors.

Again,  the electorate had the chance to go a different direction and fewer people wanted it in 16 than 20. At some level,  Democrats are comfortable with the democratic platform,  regardless of how it got there. 

This year is definitely a special case because of the all hands on deck to stop Trump nature.  I think people were comfortable with Joe based on his name recognition and affiliation with Obama, and that is fine. And yes I will agree that registered vote blue no matter who Democrats are very comfortable with the party platform.  If I knew a way to get all of the people that aren’t engaged or registered to votE I would urge them to start some type of people’s movement. That is a pipe dream.  I understand it is the Democrat party and that’s fine, I just wish that they wouldn’t leave millions of voters in the dust with a choice of Dem or Trump.  That’s where we are for now.

static111

Biden

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

Jeez. 

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's. 

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to. 

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all. 

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

yes, i am from canada, no offence taken. i just think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average american voter. i'm not referring to people like you and everyone else here who are engaged politically. i'm talking about the people who vote but only do so by the "knowledge" they get from attack ads on tv. 

i don't think many average people knew who the fuck most of the senators were prior to the extreme political polarization of the last decade and social media. 

of course, you could be right. maybe he was one of the most recognizable senators. maybe everybody does know him. i just don't think the american electorate is as aware as you think they are. it's not just america. ask any canadian (besides the people who post here) who the premier of any given province they don't live in that isn't named Ford, and you'll get 8/10 wrong answers, guaranteed. 

i know there are more trump gaffes than there are biden ones. that was never my point. my point is just because he outnumbers them, don't believe for one second it still won't have an effect on the election. it will. 

I completely agree that the average voter knows little about Biden’s or most senators’ career. Hell, I bet in 2016, the average voter saw Trump as a successful businessman, and Hillary simply as Bill Clinton’s wife. And you make a good point that social media and political polarization might have given some politicians a higher profile, but even then, how many of the 128 million or so voters are on social media? And of them, how many give a shit about politics? 

I like to think I’m somewhat informed on American politics. But I never heard of Joe Biden (or for that matter, Gore, Cheney, or Pence) until they were vice-president. That’s despite them all having long, successful careers in politics.  

Off the top of my head, here’s what I know about Joe Biden’s career:

-Was a senator for a long time 
-Ran for president in the 1988 primary
-Dropped out after getting caught plagiarizing a British politician’s speech
-Authored a significant mid-90’s crime bill (I think)
-Ran for president in the 2008 primary
-Was Obama’s VP
-Had a hand in the economic recovery in 2009 

That’s not a lot, but that’s probably more than most people know about him, especially voters younger than me (I’m 36). I guess people can look back and research his career if they want. But they probably won’t. Instead they’ll stumble upon clips of him sounding incoherent, memes of him sniffing the necks of teenage girls, and compilations of his racially insensitive “gaffes” that go back decades. 

Don’t forget being a big supporter of the credit card lobby and making it harder for average individuals to declare bankruptcy.

It was way too easy to wipe your debt.  People with assets could get their debts completely discharged.  Those of us who pay our bills get saddled with higher interest rates when discharge is easy. 

Meanwhile CC companies and banks have made it easier for people to get cards and loans and get themselves into insurmountable debt.  There is no real financial education to combat this in public schools or universities unless you get into Econ majors.  The whole consumer financial market should be much clearer for all and have enough protections in place so that even the most irresponsible person can’t get themselves into an insurmountable debt position.  As it stands financial institutions have grown to be Among the biggest income generators in the economy. How many companies out there make more money from their credit division than the actual products and commodities they sell?  That profit comes at the peril of the uneducated consumer and there is no system in place that offers protection. So while I applaud the effort to keep interest rates low for people like myself that make payments on time I think there are better ways to accomplish that such as to make it harder to borrow more than a consumer can pay back and not make it so easy to get credit cards.

mrussel1

Biden

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

Jeez. 

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's. 

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to. 

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all. 

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

yes, i am from canada, no offence taken. i just think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average american voter. i'm not referring to people like you and everyone else here who are engaged politically. i'm talking about the people who vote but only do so by the "knowledge" they get from attack ads on tv. 

i don't think many average people knew who the fuck most of the senators were prior to the extreme political polarization of the last decade and social media. 

of course, you could be right. maybe he was one of the most recognizable senators. maybe everybody does know him. i just don't think the american electorate is as aware as you think they are. it's not just america. ask any canadian (besides the people who post here) who the premier of any given province they don't live in that isn't named Ford, and you'll get 8/10 wrong answers, guaranteed. 

i know there are more trump gaffes than there are biden ones. that was never my point. my point is just because he outnumbers them, don't believe for one second it still won't have an effect on the election. it will. 

I completely agree that the average voter knows little about Biden’s or most senators’ career. Hell, I bet in 2016, the average voter saw Trump as a successful businessman, and Hillary simply as Bill Clinton’s wife. And you make a good point that social media and political polarization might have given some politicians a higher profile, but even then, how many of the 128 million or so voters are on social media? And of them, how many give a shit about politics? 

I like to think I’m somewhat informed on American politics. But I never heard of Joe Biden (or for that matter, Gore, Cheney, or Pence) until they were vice-president. That’s despite them all having long, successful careers in politics.  

Off the top of my head, here’s what I know about Joe Biden’s career:

-Was a senator for a long time 
-Ran for president in the 1988 primary
-Dropped out after getting caught plagiarizing a British politician’s speech
-Authored a significant mid-90’s crime bill (I think)
-Ran for president in the 2008 primary
-Was Obama’s VP
-Had a hand in the economic recovery in 2009 

That’s not a lot, but that’s probably more than most people know about him, especially voters younger than me (I’m 36). I guess people can look back and research his career if they want. But they probably won’t. Instead they’ll stumble upon clips of him sounding incoherent, memes of him sniffing the necks of teenage girls, and compilations of his racially insensitive “gaffes” that go back decades. 

Don’t forget being a big supporter of the credit card lobby and making it harder for average individuals to declare bankruptcy.

It was way too easy to wipe your debt.  People with assets could get their debts completely discharged.  Those of us who pay our bills get saddled with higher interest rates when discharge is easy. 

Meanwhile CC companies and banks have made it easier for people to get cards and loans and get themselves into insurmountable debt.  There is no real financial education to combat this in public schools or universities unless you get into Econ majors.  The whole consumer financial market should be much clearer for all and have enough protections in place so that even the most irresponsible person can’t get themselves into an insurmountable debt position.  As it stands financial institutions have grown to be Among the biggest income generators in the economy. How many companies out there make more money from their credit division than the actual products and commodities they sell?  That profit comes at the peril of the uneducated consumer and there is no system in place that offers protection. So while I applaud the effort to keep interest rates low for people like myself that make payments on time I think there are better ways to accomplish that such as to make it harder to borrow more than a consumer can pay back and not make it so easy to get credit cards.

I don't know that I agree that we should make it harder for people to obtain credit or not.  It's very debilitating to not have credit.  Can't deal with unplanned expenses,  can't rent a car,  etc. One thing that you may not know is that some public schools now have mandatory personal finance education.  In my district,  it was a semester with shop being the other half.  I went through the curriculum when my oldest had it and it was pretty decent.  No such education existed when I was in school.

mrussel1

Biden

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

The whole premise was that the parties are a reflection of the electorate.  My counter is that the parties are a reflection of the highest figure donors.

Again,  the electorate had the chance to go a different direction and fewer people wanted it in 16 than 20. At some level,  Democrats are comfortable with the democratic platform,  regardless of how it got there. 

This year is definitely a special case because of the all hands on deck to stop Trump nature.  I think people were comfortable with Joe based on his name recognition and affiliation with Obama, and that is fine. And yes I will agree that registered vote blue no matter who Democrats are very comfortable with the party platform.  If I knew a way to get all of the people that aren’t engaged or registered to votE I would urge them to start some type of people’s movement. That is a pipe dream.  I understand it is the Democrat party and that’s fine, I just wish that they wouldn’t leave millions of voters in the dust with a choice of Dem or Trump.  That’s where we are for now.

This is a special year and why I've been careful to only speak about 20. Trump had the wonderful effect of unifying the party. 

static111

Biden

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

Jeez. 

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's. 

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to. 

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all. 

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

yes, i am from canada, no offence taken. i just think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average american voter. i'm not referring to people like you and everyone else here who are engaged politically. i'm talking about the people who vote but only do so by the "knowledge" they get from attack ads on tv. 

i don't think many average people knew who the fuck most of the senators were prior to the extreme political polarization of the last decade and social media. 

of course, you could be right. maybe he was one of the most recognizable senators. maybe everybody does know him. i just don't think the american electorate is as aware as you think they are. it's not just america. ask any canadian (besides the people who post here) who the premier of any given province they don't live in that isn't named Ford, and you'll get 8/10 wrong answers, guaranteed. 

i know there are more trump gaffes than there are biden ones. that was never my point. my point is just because he outnumbers them, don't believe for one second it still won't have an effect on the election. it will. 

I completely agree that the average voter knows little about Biden’s or most senators’ career. Hell, I bet in 2016, the average voter saw Trump as a successful businessman, and Hillary simply as Bill Clinton’s wife. And you make a good point that social media and political polarization might have given some politicians a higher profile, but even then, how many of the 128 million or so voters are on social media? And of them, how many give a shit about politics? 

I like to think I’m somewhat informed on American politics. But I never heard of Joe Biden (or for that matter, Gore, Cheney, or Pence) until they were vice-president. That’s despite them all having long, successful careers in politics.  

Off the top of my head, here’s what I know about Joe Biden’s career:

-Was a senator for a long time 
-Ran for president in the 1988 primary
-Dropped out after getting caught plagiarizing a British politician’s speech
-Authored a significant mid-90’s crime bill (I think)
-Ran for president in the 2008 primary
-Was Obama’s VP
-Had a hand in the economic recovery in 2009 

That’s not a lot, but that’s probably more than most people know about him, especially voters younger than me (I’m 36). I guess people can look back and research his career if they want. But they probably won’t. Instead they’ll stumble upon clips of him sounding incoherent, memes of him sniffing the necks of teenage girls, and compilations of his racially insensitive “gaffes” that go back decades. 

Don’t forget being a big supporter of the credit card lobby and making it harder for average individuals to declare bankruptcy.

It was way too easy to wipe your debt.  People with assets could get their debts completely discharged.  Those of us who pay our bills get saddled with higher interest rates when discharge is easy. 

Meanwhile CC companies and banks have made it easier for people to get cards and loans and get themselves into insurmountable debt.  There is no real financial education to combat this in public schools or universities unless you get into Econ majors.  The whole consumer financial market should be much clearer for all and have enough protections in place so that even the most irresponsible person can’t get themselves into an insurmountable debt position.  As it stands financial institutions have grown to be Among the biggest income generators in the economy. How many companies out there make more money from their credit division than the actual products and commodities they sell?  That profit comes at the peril of the uneducated consumer and there is no system in place that offers protection. So while I applaud the effort to keep interest rates low for people like myself that make payments on time I think there are better ways to accomplish that such as to make it harder to borrow more than a consumer can pay back and not make it so easy to get credit cards.

I don't know that I agree that we should make it harder for people to obtain credit or not.  It's very debilitating to not have credit.  Can't deal with unplanned expenses,  can't rent a car,  etc. One thing that you may not know is that some public schools now have mandatory personal finance education.  In my district,  it was a semester with shop being the other half.  I went through the curriculum when my oldest had it and it was pretty decent.  No such education existed when I was in school.

I was speaking from personal experience we had nothing like that in my class D title IX school.   My daughter isn’t old enough yet but hopefully there will be something in place for her.  I would say that the fact that we live in a society that requires access to credit to get through an emergency situation is a good enough reason to reassess our relationship with financial institutions as a country.  You can totally rent a car without a CC I do it all the time.  It is much harder as you have to have 300-500 extra in the bank that you are willing to not use until you return the car...which at that point you should be asking yourself if you need to risk going into debt to rent a car. And that brings back up where we are as a society that someone could fall into complete ruin because they can’t rent a car.

static111

Biden

@mrussel1 I think this convo is definitely going beyond Biden V Trump but I’m enjoying it nonetheless.

mrussel1

Biden

static111 said:

@mrussel1 I think this convo is definitely going beyond Biden V Trump but I’m enjoying it nonetheless.

Likewise

Ledbetterman10

Biden

Still no running-mate pick? 

mrussel1

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

Still no running-mate pick? 

Obama announced Biden in mid to late August,  if I recall.  What's the big deal? Plus you do it on a Monday or Tuesday,  ideally. 

mickeyrat

Biden

vp pick typically happens at the convention, no?

mrussel1

Biden

mickeyrat said:

vp pick typically happens at the convention, no?

No... before.  Should be any day

Ledbetterman10

Biden

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Still no running-mate pick? 

Obama announced Biden in mid to late August,  if I recall.  What's the big deal? Plus you do it on a Monday or Tuesday,  ideally. 

I anticipate the polls narrowing once he makes his pick. So the sooner he gets that out of the way, the sooner can build back up his lead before any debates. 

brianlux

Biden

OH man, this says it all for me!:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAL29d2OUsA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR3QzhZJmxeiWfCOxf8jnDjCpLKu7HB9Obt8_7w4hjuv-irsNWzhLv0AHrQ

Halifax2TheMax

And that's what its all about, folks. Oh! The horror!  Surprise, surprise. And someone should ask him/her what "freedoms" have been slowly taken away. You won't get an answer though, except maybe, "you can't say or wish someone Merry Christmas."

More than 80 percent of white evangelical Christians voted for Donald Trump in 2016, and polls show a similar level of support in November. For many observers, the relationship seems mystifying: a religion that prizes the Bible and sexual morality embracing a twice-divorced president who rarely goes to church and built a career off gambling.

To understand the dynamic, Elizabeth Dias, who covers religion for The Times, traveled to Sioux Center, Iowa, one of the most conservative Christian communities in the nation.

“I think Trump is going to restore our freedoms, where we spent eight years, if not more, with our freedoms slowly being taken away under the guise of giving freedoms to all,” one supporter said. “Caucasian-Americans are becoming a minority. Rapidly.”

A fallen evangelical leader: Jerry Falwell Jr., who has weathered one controversy after another in recent years, took a leave of absence as Liberty University’s president on Friday after he posed for a photo with his pants unbuttoned and his arm around a woman who was not his wife.

brianlux

Biden

Halifax2TheMax said:

And that's what its all about, folks. Oh! The horror!  Surprise, surprise. And someone should ask him/her what "freedoms" have been slowly taken away. You won't get an answer though, except maybe, "you can't say or wish someone Merry Christmas."

More than 80 percent of white evangelical Christians voted for Donald Trump in 2016, and polls show a similar level of support in November. For many observers, the relationship seems mystifying: a religion that prizes the Bible and sexual morality embracing a twice-divorced president who rarely goes to church and built a career off gambling.

To understand the dynamic, Elizabeth Dias, who covers religion for The Times, traveled to Sioux Center, Iowa, one of the most conservative Christian communities in the nation.

“I think Trump is going to restore our freedoms, where we spent eight years, if not more, with our freedoms slowly being taken away under the guise of giving freedoms to all,” one supporter said. “Caucasian-Americans are becoming a minority. Rapidly.”

A fallen evangelical leader: Jerry Falwell Jr., who has weathered one controversy after another in recent years, took a leave of absence as Liberty University’s president on Friday after he posed for a photo with his pants unbuttoned and his arm around a woman who was not his wife.

So strange that so-called Christians have been supporting Trump.  Has somebody been putting drugs in their communion cups?

Lerxst1992

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

Jeez. 

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's. 

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to. 

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all. 

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

yes, i am from canada, no offence taken. i just think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average american voter. i'm not referring to people like you and everyone else here who are engaged politically. i'm talking about the people who vote but only do so by the "knowledge" they get from attack ads on tv. 

i don't think many average people knew who the fuck most of the senators were prior to the extreme political polarization of the last decade and social media. 

of course, you could be right. maybe he was one of the most recognizable senators. maybe everybody does know him. i just don't think the american electorate is as aware as you think they are. it's not just america. ask any canadian (besides the people who post here) who the premier of any given province they don't live in that isn't named Ford, and you'll get 8/10 wrong answers, guaranteed. 

i know there are more trump gaffes than there are biden ones. that was never my point. my point is just because he outnumbers them, don't believe for one second it still won't have an effect on the election. it will. 

I completely agree that the average voter knows little about Biden’s or most senators’ career. Hell, I bet in 2016, the average voter saw Trump as a successful businessman, and Hillary simply as Bill Clinton’s wife. And you make a good point that social media and political polarization might have given some politicians a higher profile, but even then, how many of the 128 million or so voters are on social media? And of them, how many give a shit about politics? 

I like to think I’m somewhat informed on American politics. But I never heard of Joe Biden (or for that matter, Gore, Cheney, or Pence) until they were vice-president. That’s despite them all having long, successful careers in politics.  

Off the top of my head, here’s what I know about Joe Biden’s career:

-Was a senator for a long time 
-Ran for president in the 1988 primary
-Dropped out after getting caught plagiarizing a British politician’s speech
-Authored a significant mid-90’s crime bill (I think)
-Ran for president in the 2008 primary
-Was Obama’s VP
-Had a hand in the economic recovery in 2009 

That’s not a lot, but that’s probably more than most people know about him, especially voters younger than me (I’m 36). I guess people can look back and research his career if they want. But they probably won’t. Instead they’ll stumble upon clips of him sounding incoherent, memes of him sniffing the necks of teenage girls, and compilations of his racially insensitive “gaffes” that go back decades. 

Gore Biden and Cheney were well known before they were VP.

Ledbetterman10

Biden

Lerxst1992 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

Jeez. 

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's. 

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to. 

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all. 

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

yes, i am from canada, no offence taken. i just think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average american voter. i'm not referring to people like you and everyone else here who are engaged politically. i'm talking about the people who vote but only do so by the "knowledge" they get from attack ads on tv. 

i don't think many average people knew who the fuck most of the senators were prior to the extreme political polarization of the last decade and social media. 

of course, you could be right. maybe he was one of the most recognizable senators. maybe everybody does know him. i just don't think the american electorate is as aware as you think they are. it's not just america. ask any canadian (besides the people who post here) who the premier of any given province they don't live in that isn't named Ford, and you'll get 8/10 wrong answers, guaranteed. 

i know there are more trump gaffes than there are biden ones. that was never my point. my point is just because he outnumbers them, don't believe for one second it still won't have an effect on the election. it will. 

I completely agree that the average voter knows little about Biden’s or most senators’ career. Hell, I bet in 2016, the average voter saw Trump as a successful businessman, and Hillary simply as Bill Clinton’s wife. And you make a good point that social media and political polarization might have given some politicians a higher profile, but even then, how many of the 128 million or so voters are on social media? And of them, how many give a shit about politics? 

I like to think I’m somewhat informed on American politics. But I never heard of Joe Biden (or for that matter, Gore, Cheney, or Pence) until they were vice-president. That’s despite them all having long, successful careers in politics.  

Off the top of my head, here’s what I know about Joe Biden’s career:

-Was a senator for a long time 
-Ran for president in the 1988 primary
-Dropped out after getting caught plagiarizing a British politician’s speech
-Authored a significant mid-90’s crime bill (I think)
-Ran for president in the 2008 primary
-Was Obama’s VP
-Had a hand in the economic recovery in 2009 

That’s not a lot, but that’s probably more than most people know about him, especially voters younger than me (I’m 36). I guess people can look back and research his career if they want. But they probably won’t. Instead they’ll stumble upon clips of him sounding incoherent, memes of him sniffing the necks of teenage girls, and compilations of his racially insensitive “gaffes” that go back decades. 

Gore Biden and Cheney were well known before they were VP.

Al Gore was elected VP when I was 9 years old. "Well known" people to me at that time were  Marc Summers from Double Dare, Bill and Ted, and Steve Urkel. 

Dick Cheney was elected VP when I was 17 years old. "Well known" people to me at that time were Michael Jordan, Eddie Vedder, and Jerry Seinfeld.

Joe Biden was elected VP when I was 25 years old. In this instance, it's reasonable to think I might have heard of him (especially since I also have Scranton ties), but I didn't.

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Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

Jeez. 

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's. 

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to. 

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all. 

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

yes, i am from canada, no offence taken. i just think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average american voter. i'm not referring to people like you and everyone else here who are engaged politically. i'm talking about the people who vote but only do so by the "knowledge" they get from attack ads on tv. 

i don't think many average people knew who the fuck most of the senators were prior to the extreme political polarization of the last decade and social media. 

of course, you could be right. maybe he was one of the most recognizable senators. maybe everybody does know him. i just don't think the american electorate is as aware as you think they are. it's not just america. ask any canadian (besides the people who post here) who the premier of any given province they don't live in that isn't named Ford, and you'll get 8/10 wrong answers, guaranteed. 

i know there are more trump gaffes than there are biden ones. that was never my point. my point is just because he outnumbers them, don't believe for one second it still won't have an effect on the election. it will. 

I completely agree that the average voter knows little about Biden’s or most senators’ career. Hell, I bet in 2016, the average voter saw Trump as a successful businessman, and Hillary simply as Bill Clinton’s wife. And you make a good point that social media and political polarization might have given some politicians a higher profile, but even then, how many of the 128 million or so voters are on social media? And of them, how many give a shit about politics? 

I like to think I’m somewhat informed on American politics. But I never heard of Joe Biden (or for that matter, Gore, Cheney, or Pence) until they were vice-president. That’s despite them all having long, successful careers in politics.  

Off the top of my head, here’s what I know about Joe Biden’s career:

-Was a senator for a long time 
-Ran for president in the 1988 primary
-Dropped out after getting caught plagiarizing a British politician’s speech
-Authored a significant mid-90’s crime bill (I think)
-Ran for president in the 2008 primary
-Was Obama’s VP
-Had a hand in the economic recovery in 2009 

That’s not a lot, but that’s probably more than most people know about him, especially voters younger than me (I’m 36). I guess people can look back and research his career if they want. But they probably won’t. Instead they’ll stumble upon clips of him sounding incoherent, memes of him sniffing the necks of teenage girls, and compilations of his racially insensitive “gaffes” that go back decades. 

Gore Biden and Cheney were well known before they were VP.

Al Gore was elected VP when I was 9 years old. "Well known" people to me at that time were  Marc Summers from Double Dare, Bill and Ted, and Steve Urkel. 

Dick Cheney was elected VP when I was 17 years old. "Well known" people to me at that time were Michael Jordan, Eddie Vedder, and Jerry Seinfeld.

Joe Biden was elected VP when I was 25 years old. In this instance, it's reasonable to think I might have heard of him (especially since I also have Scranton ties), but I didn't.

Whew I thought I was the only millennial in here.

The Juggler

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Still no running-mate pick? 

Obama announced Biden in mid to late August,  if I recall.  What's the big deal? Plus you do it on a Monday or Tuesday,  ideally. 

I anticipate the polls narrowing once he makes his pick. So the sooner he gets that out of the way, the sooner can build back up his lead before any debates. 

Every candidate gets a bump after the convention. DNC is next week. 

The Juggler

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The Juggler said:

People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

Jeez. 

i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 

No offense but aren't you from Canada? Joe Biden has been one of the most recognizable politicians in this country for decades. This is the third time he's ran for president! People are very familiar with him. And most people have already made up their minds about him and his favorability ratings are significantly higher than HRC's. 

Trump saying Biden hates God and the bible has already gotten more attention to Joe's gaffe yesterday. That's what I'm talking about. For every Biden gaffe, there's 10 Trump gaffes/blunders/purposefully hateful thing said that people pay more attention to. 

Biden is by far not the perfect candidate. I agree with others that the Biden from ten years ago would've been a lot better but...the one thing he does have going for him is that people do know him and that people generally like him, gaffes and all. 

All of this is part of the reason why he has held such a steady lead for so long, though the numbers are tightening a little. Looking forward to some more good polling leading up to the virtual conventions...

yes, i am from canada, no offence taken. i just think you are overestimating the knowledge of the average american voter. i'm not referring to people like you and everyone else here who are engaged politically. i'm talking about the people who vote but only do so by the "knowledge" they get from attack ads on tv. 

i don't think many average people knew who the fuck most of the senators were prior to the extreme political polarization of the last decade and social media. 

of course, you could be right. maybe he was one of the most recognizable senators. maybe everybody does know him. i just don't think the american electorate is as aware as you think they are. it's not just america. ask any canadian (besides the people who post here) who the premier of any given province they don't live in that isn't named Ford, and you'll get 8/10 wrong answers, guaranteed. 

i know there are more trump gaffes than there are biden ones. that was never my point. my point is just because he outnumbers them, don't believe for one second it still won't have an effect on the election. it will. 

I completely agree that the average voter knows little about Biden’s or most senators’ career. Hell, I bet in 2016, the average voter saw Trump as a successful businessman, and Hillary simply as Bill Clinton’s wife. And you make a good point that social media and political polarization might have given some politicians a higher profile, but even then, how many of the 128 million or so voters are on social media? And of them, how many give a shit about politics? 

I like to think I’m somewhat informed on American politics. But I never heard of Joe Biden (or for that matter, Gore, Cheney, or Pence) until they were vice-president. That’s despite them all having long, successful careers in politics.  

Off the top of my head, here’s what I know about Joe Biden’s career:

-Was a senator for a long time 
-Ran for president in the 1988 primary
-Dropped out after getting caught plagiarizing a British politician’s speech
-Authored a significant mid-90’s crime bill (I think)
-Ran for president in the 2008 primary
-Was Obama’s VP
-Had a hand in the economic recovery in 2009 

That’s not a lot, but that’s probably more than most people know about him, especially voters younger than me (I’m 36). I guess people can look back and research his career if they want. But they probably won’t. Instead they’ll stumble upon clips of him sounding incoherent, memes of him sniffing the necks of teenage girls, and compilations of his racially insensitive “gaffes” that go back decades. 

Gore Biden and Cheney were well known before they were VP.

Al Gore was elected VP when I was 9 years old. "Well known" people to me at that time were  Marc Summers from Double Dare, Bill and Ted, and Steve Urkel. 

Dick Cheney was elected VP when I was 17 years old. "Well known" people to me at that time were Michael Jordan, Eddie Vedder, and Jerry Seinfeld.

Joe Biden was elected VP when I was 25 years old. In this instance, it's reasonable to think I might have heard of him (especially since I also have Scranton ties), but I didn't.

The stuff you mentioned about knowing about Biden earlier is probably more than what most knew about Mitt Romney, Obama, and maybe John Kerry when they ran. 

Plenty of polling to indicate Biden had better name recognition than any of the other Dem primary candidates. It's a large part of the reason why his early stumbles in the debates didn't end his campaign. It's also largely why Trump's relentless attacks on him over the last 3 months have not damaged him nearly as much as they hoped.

People know him. People generally like him. The dopes who only recognize him from social media gaffes are not people who come out and vote in droves. People tend to confuse a twitter popularity contest with real life stuff. The far left dems found this out the hard way in the primaries...