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  • FiveBelow
    FiveBelow Posts: 1,332
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates. 



    They should really hold an emergency meeting and get one of the younger candidates to replace him.
    The DNC was gifted a hanging change-up and delivered with a can of corn.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    Remember when people thought the "you ain't black" thing was going to really hurt him?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,068
    From the Hill

    Biden campaign senior adviser Symone Sanders responded, telling The Hill in a statement: "If you look at the full video and transcript, it’s clear that Vice President Biden was referring to diversity of attitudes among Latinos from different Latin American countries. The video that is circulating is conveniently cut to make this about racial diversity but that’s not the case.”

    Speaking at the annual National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO) conference Thursday afternoon, Biden made a similar statement, adding that Latinos are of varying ethnic and racial identities.

    “We can build a new administration that reflects the full diversity of our nation and the full diversity of our Latino community,” Biden said. “When I mean full diversity, unlike the African American community and many other communities, you’re from everywhere: from Europe, from the tip of South America, all the way to our border with Mexico and in the Caribbean. [Latinos are] of different backgrounds, different ethnicities, but they are all Latinos."

    Biden historically has a track record of favorability among Black Americans, and polling in recent months have shown that he has a commanding lead over Trump with Black voters.

    In a recent Economist-YouGov poll, 76 percent of Black respondents said that Biden had their vote, while only 12 percent said they would vote for Trump. Biden's advantage with Hispanic voters in the poll wasn't as stark, with 54 percent of Hispanic voters choosing him and 24 percent picking Trump.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510901-biden-criticized-for-comparing-latino-and-african-american-diversity
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates. 



    They should really hold an emergency meeting and get one of the younger candidates to replace him.
    Yes nothing like subverting the voters
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    From the Hill

    Biden campaign senior adviser Symone Sanders responded, telling The Hill in a statement: "If you look at the full video and transcript, it’s clear that Vice President Biden was referring to diversity of attitudes among Latinos from different Latin American countries. The video that is circulating is conveniently cut to make this about racial diversity but that’s not the case.”

    Speaking at the annual National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials (NALEO) conference Thursday afternoon, Biden made a similar statement, adding that Latinos are of varying ethnic and racial identities.

    “We can build a new administration that reflects the full diversity of our nation and the full diversity of our Latino community,” Biden said. “When I mean full diversity, unlike the African American community and many other communities, you’re from everywhere: from Europe, from the tip of South America, all the way to our border with Mexico and in the Caribbean. [Latinos are] of different backgrounds, different ethnicities, but they are all Latinos."

    Biden historically has a track record of favorability among Black Americans, and polling in recent months have shown that he has a commanding lead over Trump with Black voters.

    In a recent Economist-YouGov poll, 76 percent of Black respondents said that Biden had their vote, while only 12 percent said they would vote for Trump. Biden's advantage with Hispanic voters in the poll wasn't as stark, with 54 percent of Hispanic voters choosing him and 24 percent picking Trump.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/510901-biden-criticized-for-comparing-latino-and-african-american-diversity
    There's zero wrong with this statement.  It certainly isn't racist.  Black Americans,  and white ones have been ingrained in the US culture for generations,  whereas someone emigrating from Mexico is very different than someone from Cuba.  Is this controversial?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    JW269453 said:
    static111 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates. 



    They should really hold an emergency meeting and get one of the younger candidates to replace him.
    The DNC was gifted a hanging change-up and delivered with a can of corn.
    Do you think the DNC chooses the candidate? Did you sleep through the primaries?  People just like me overwhelmingly voted for Biden over the other individuals who made their own decision to run for president.  

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,039
    Biden
    did you see the se cupp tweet that she is getting ratioed on? she wants to vote for biden, but it all depends on his running mate. 

    i guess she hasn't seen enough of trump to make an informed decision....

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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,039
    Biden


    people like her are the absolute worst. pretend to agonize over such a simple decision in a way that she can go back and justify voting for trump later.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    gimmesometruth27 said:


    people like her are the absolute worst. pretend to agonize over such a simple decision in a way that she can go back and justify voting for trump later.
    Agreed.. unless she would otherwise stay home.  
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,069
    Biden
    static111 said:
    Listen I know nobody wants the DNC to subvert democracy and take the "choice" out of the publics hands, but come on.  Pick Michelle Obama as vice, Drop Joe promote Michelle then put some milquetoast conservative in the VP slot so we don't alienate the republican "allies". 8 more years of conservative Neo-Liberalism for all lol

    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates. 



    They should really hold an emergency meeting and get one of the younger candidates to replace him.
    Yes nothing like subverting the voters
    Yeah I already addressed the “subversion” It’s only an illusion of choice anyway. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    Listen I know nobody wants the DNC to subvert democracy and take the "choice" out of the publics hands, but come on.  Pick Michelle Obama as vice, Drop Joe promote Michelle then put some milquetoast conservative in the VP slot so we don't alienate the republican "allies". 8 more years of conservative Neo-Liberalism for all lol

    mrussel1 said:
    static111 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates. 



    They should really hold an emergency meeting and get one of the younger candidates to replace him.
    Yes nothing like subverting the voters
    Yeah I already addressed the “subversion” It’s only an illusion of choice anyway. 
    Oh really? So the "establishment" wanted Bernie to run in 16 and 20?  Was that just part of the trickery?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    JimmyV said:
    #ShouldHaveBeenWarren
    Too bad the voters disagreed
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,068
    What’s really interesting are the DEM progressive candidates that are winning their primaries against established party Dems installed by the Deep State. That’s how you build a movement and nominate a progressive Dem presidential candidate eventually as opposed to being an indy that caucuses with the dems, then pretends to be one and complains when their hijacking of the party fails. Question remains, as time marches on, will they build on their coalition or reach for the stars too soon and create a backlash? Poor Bernie, 10-20 years too soon.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    JimmyV said:
    #ShouldHaveBeenWarren
    Too bad the voters disagreed
    And they better be right.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455
    Biden
    warren was my choice (as much choice as a canadian can have). just my two cents. so, in american, it's my 1.6 cents. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

    Jeez. 
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,039
    Biden
    everyone getting concerned about biden gaffes needs to take a long, hard look at trump. that motherfucker is the dumbest, laziest man on the planet. he does multiple gaffes on a daily basis. he even said they beirut explosion was an attack. this is the kind of shit that gets wars started.

    at least biden is trying and is coming from the right place.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

    Jeez. 
    i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

    it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

    just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,455
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    it all, unfortunately, is going to come down to the marketing: how convincing can the trump campaign be with the american voter that his idiocy is less dangerous than biden's apparent decline. and how convincing the biden campaign be that trump is unfit and he knows which venue he's currently speaking in. 
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    The Juggler said:
    People overreact to these gaffes. My goodness, folks. Have you not paid attention to Biden for the last 40 years? He makes gaffes regularly. But he's running against a guy who says and utterly crazy shit on an hourly basis. That is why this stuff today, like the "you ain't black" thing from three months ago won't amount to a hill of beans either. 

    Jeez. 
    i have not paid attention to biden the last 40 years. i didn't know who he was until he was VP. judging by the average american voter, most of them hadn't either. 

    it won't amount to a hill of beans to people who are already voting for him. but you can't honestly tell me that fence sitters and trump supporters considering moving left aren't looking at this and going "hmm....maybe he really is losing his mind". 

    just because it's not a big deal to you, doesn't mean it won't have an effect on the election. 
    Except his point was fundamentally accurate.  

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