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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    As we get closer to one or more potentially effective vaccines being released, there will be a lot more discussion about access. Lots of thorny practical and ethical considerations.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-countries-world-1.5668835
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,375
    oftenreading said:
    As we get closer to one or more potentially effective vaccines being released, there will be a lot more discussion about access. Lots of thorny practical and ethical considerations.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-countries-world-1.5668835
    There are 20 companies that have come up w a vaccine and already started production.  I would hope that with that many companies making them that there will be more than enough to go around.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    edited August 2020
    Hopefully there is an option to pay for accelerated access to the vaccine.  I know it screams entitlement but perhaps it could help offset the costs and allow for individuals with need to access for free.   If proof of vaccine is required for travel then I want to get it in time.   Going to be a mess. 
    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    As we get closer to one or more potentially effective vaccines being released, there will be a lot more discussion about access. Lots of thorny practical and ethical considerations.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-countries-world-1.5668835
    There are 20 companies that have come up w a vaccine and already started production.  I would hope that with that many companies making them that there will be more than enough to go around.
    Just in terms of pure logistics of manufacturing and distribution around the world, it will take at months at least, maybe longer. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    bootlegger10 said:
    Hopefully there is an option to pay for accelerated access to the vaccine.  I know it screams entitlement but perhaps it could help offset the costs and allow for individuals with need to access for free.   If proof of vaccine is required for travel then I want to get it in time.   Going to be a mess. 
    For public health and ethical reasons, I hope this does not happen, but I expect it will. I doubt it will improve access for anyone else though. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,375
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    As we get closer to one or more potentially effective vaccines being released, there will be a lot more discussion about access. Lots of thorny practical and ethical considerations.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-countries-world-1.5668835
    There are 20 companies that have come up w a vaccine and already started production.  I would hope that with that many companies making them that there will be more than enough to go around.
    Just in terms of pure logistics of manufacturing and distribution around the world, it will take at months at least, maybe longer. 
    They have plenty of time to figure out the logistics, I hope they don't screw it up!
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,117
    Solid read about reopening schools:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/01/schools-reopening-coronavirus-arizona-superintendent/?arc404=true
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    edited August 2020
    mcgruff10 said:
    Solid read about reopening schools:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/08/01/schools-reopening-coronavirus-arizona-superintendent/?arc404=true
    That's the other part of this that's not getting nearly enough attention - what happens when administrators and teachers start quitting/retiring?

    It just all blows and there are no good answers. If this was to be summed up in one sentence on how to treat really any situation right now it's:

    Pay people to stay home. 

    That's it. There is no other answer in my mind. But there are too many politics wrapped up in this simple statement (as you can see in any garbage thread in AMT) for this to be the obvious solution.
    Post edited by Jearlpam0925 on
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    As we get closer to one or more potentially effective vaccines being released, there will be a lot more discussion about access. Lots of thorny practical and ethical considerations.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-countries-world-1.5668835
    There are 20 companies that have come up w a vaccine and already started production.  I would hope that with that many companies making them that there will be more than enough to go around.
    Just in terms of pure logistics of manufacturing and distribution around the world, it will take at months at least, maybe longer. 
    They have plenty of time to figure out the logistics, I hope they don't screw it up!

    Time to prepare will inevitably bump up against the reality at the time, especially when we consider that the whole world needs these vaccines, which makes it far more of a challenge. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    edited August 2020
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    oftenreading said:
    As we get closer to one or more potentially effective vaccines being released, there will be a lot more discussion about access. Lots of thorny practical and ethical considerations.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-19-vaccine-countries-world-1.5668835
    There are 20 companies that have come up w a vaccine and already started production.  I would hope that with that many companies making them that there will be more than enough to go around.
    Just in terms of pure logistics of manufacturing and distribution around the world, it will take at months at least, maybe longer. 
    They have plenty of time to figure out the logistics, I hope they don't screw it up!

    Time to prepare will inevitably bump up against the reality at the time, especially when we consider that the whole world needs these vaccines, which makes it far more of a challenge. 
    Yeah absolutely. If anything changes my feeling/worldview on when a vaccine gets here isn't a matter of the testing, but of the logistics and research needed regarding distribution. It may have been the stat article you linked previously (? I can't remember, soooo many articles I've read now) that showed how they ran out distribution of the H1N1 that gives an idea on how it might go. Ultimately that seems like the best approach, too, while including the consideration for under-privileged/-served communities.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    https://medium.com/@mjacobwrites/parents-youre-being-lied-to-25646fb8634e

    I think we’re just going to count out the 2020-2021 school year and home school. 
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,375
    dankind said:
    https://medium.com/@mjacobwrites/parents-youre-being-lied-to-25646fb8634e

    I think we’re just going to count out the 2020-2021 school year and home school. 
    That was an interesting read, TY.
  • deadendp
    deadendp Northeast Ohio Posts: 10,434
    dankind said:
    https://medium.com/@mjacobwrites/parents-youre-being-lied-to-25646fb8634e

    I think we’re just going to count out the 2020-2021 school year and home school. 
    Fuck You 101 taught by Mr. DK? :wink:

    Didn't get to read because I am at work, but will get to it later. 
    2014: Cincinnati
    2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,812
    Pretty much agree with what this shared.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Jearlpam0925
    Jearlpam0925 Deep South Philly Posts: 17,530
    dankind said:
    https://medium.com/@mjacobwrites/parents-youre-being-lied-to-25646fb8634e

    I think we’re just going to count out the 2020-2021 school year and home school. 
    Thank god our kids aren't in grades K-~5th (or thereabout) and our only concern right now is pre-k and daycare. Again, there just aren't any good answers/resolutions for all of this. And it's further exacerbated because of school districts, and furthermore due to a lack of national leadership. So not only can the protocol change state by state, but now they can change county by county, and even further down district by district. It's a gigantic mess.

    The one issue I have with the writer is about pods. These are happening around here, and I'm sure elsewhere, in moderate sizes where essentially those with the means are paying for tutors (cough private teachers cough). You'd think this whole pandemic would highlight what we've been doing wrong as a country when it comes to public education for decades now and to fundamentally make changes, but I don't hold out hope. We like to stick bubble gum in the holes here and there.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    The vaccines are already  being prepared  in massive  amounts so when they are  deemed  safe they  are there .Uk 70 mill doses and usa 340 mill . I saw only india had bought more than  its countries population to supply neighbouring poorer countries. Says a lot. 


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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,896
    India  alone can produce massive volumes of any vaccines. 


    this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,375
    lastexitlondon said:
    India  alone can produce massive volumes of any vaccines. 
    I posted an article a while back about that.  The company is a family owned one and they said that 50% goes to India and the other half to the rest of the world.
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    Poncier said:
    dankind said:
    New cases in Mass are heading in the wrong direction. Fuck a duck!
    Partly blamed on one of the hospital groups with a reporting data dump of tests inflating the overall total.
    The positivity rate has jumped a tick, from about 1.7% to about 2.0% the last week,
    Number still not bad, Covid hospitilazations today hit their lowest number since things ramped up in March. (347, down from a high of about 4,000).
    So if folks smarten up with the parties in Chatham and 33% capacity booze cruises that are more likely 133% capacity (they've been shut down), we'll be OK.
    Well, if my experience at Market Basket this weekend is any sort of indicator, then we'll be locked down again in a month.

    Jesus Christ!

    And Market Basket is one of the "good" (read: safer) places to go around my area.

    And I'm sure you saw this from today's Globe: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/amid-rise-in-covid-19-cases-experts-urge-rollback-of-reopening-in-mass/ar-BB17w0lR.
    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • RogueStoner
    RogueStoner Sunny AZ Posts: 1,716
    dankind said:
    https://medium.com/@mjacobwrites/parents-youre-being-lied-to-25646fb8634e

    I think we’re just going to count out the 2020-2021 school year and home school. 
    That was eye-opening. Thanks for sharing. 

    My heart breaks for all the kids out there missing out on all of these important things...and just human contact in general. :(

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