Surprised to see Pennsylvania so close in that poll. Though the RCP average has Biden at +6.
6.6% on 538
I mean things are bound to tighten as we get closer. But just with PA, two months ago, their average had him at 4.5 and last month it was at 8. So to still be between 6-7%, I think that's pretty damn steady, all things considered. And it's the same story in the other swing states that will decide the election too.
A lot of the ones that came out today were conducted over the weekend, after the big momentous CHANGE OF TONE, that has now shockingly dissipated. Donald Trump is a child who can't act normal for more than a few days at a time.
Lets see what the polls look like when we've added another 75,000 to 125,000 dead due to Covid by November 1st. And still no coordinated national response.
Contrast this with Team Trump Treason walking out of the WH briefing room because he was being pressed by a CNN reporter on his repeating/spreading misinformation regarding covid. Can't wait to at least have an adult in the White House again. Nobody likes me, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Yea, you're right for once, can't believe you uttered it in public.
The media meme that former vice president Joe Biden is a gaffe machine, combined with President Trump’s preposterous projection questioning Biden’s acuity, might lead one (even some on the Biden campaign) to conclude he should interact with reporters as infrequently as possible. That is generally good advice for a front-runner, which he surely is. However, after a speech Tuesday on racial inequality, Biden took questions and gave lengthy answers. It was in some ways a revelation.
First, Biden is good at this. He can give long, meaty answers without stumbling. He voices the right amount of disgust and anger at Trump for not pressing Russian President Vladimir Putin on bounties for U.S. troops in Afghanistan, for dividing the country on race, for creating scenes of violence for campaign ads and for botching the coronavirus response. Biden is nimble when it comes to pointing out Trump’s alienation from his own party. (Digging at Trump’s decision to abandon a convention in Jacksonville, Biden wisecracked: “Even the Republicans down there” figured out it would not work.)
Second, he is reasonably effective at avoiding the false-choice sort of question. Asked if he is running a campaign against Trump or for himself, he deftly answered: “I’m running because Trump is the president. And I think our democracy is at stake — for real. And what seems to be the case is many Americans, those who don’t like me and those that do, view me as the antithesis of Trump. And I believe that I am.” He also refuses to be put in a position that alienates his left-wing allies or chases away moderates and even conservatives. He explained that the measures he proposes are all consistent with capitalism but that there are things only government can do. He made explicit, however, that if his proposals get through, he will “go down as one of the most progressive presidents in American history.”
Third, he understands that rather than a revolution, many if not most voters want stability, functional government and a normal president. “This isn’t about law and order,” he said of Trump’s deployment of federal agents. “It’s about a strategy to revive a failing campaign.” He added that Trump was obviously trying “to scare the devil out of the American people.” As for Biden’s own qualifications, he cited foreign policy and the ability to work with others, rebutting the popular cynicism that you cannot work with the other side. “If we can’t unite America, we’re gone. We’re dead. Democracy is dead,” he said. “[Democracy] requires consensus.”
There was a reason Trump was so afraid to run against Biden that he turned to Ukraine and China for help. Biden is an elusive foe: He’s a staunch defender of public order (“we do need to hold those who violate the law accountable”) who can empathize with Black Lives Matter; a progressive who does not scare off swing states and centrist voters; and someone who by providing such a vivid contrast with the incumbent can remind us we dearly need a decent, trustworthy and informed president.
Folks just be ready for a full on violent ending to this year it’s gonna get ugly!
you know, i usually try not to let the doom and gloom get into my head, but honestly, i wouldn't put anything past this idiot and his dipshit supporters if he loses, that he'll do something where he won't accept it, and will start having barr arrest biden or something ridiculously illegal.
What if Biden loses? The country will be burnt to the ground.
by whom?
The people in the streets right now, like in Portland at night. Every city will be like that. If Trump is reelected, it’s going to be complete madness in the streets for god knows how long. Then he’ll retaliate with military force or some shit and it’ll all be awful.
Did we lose Portland? People are outside one building breaching a fence and engaging with federal police. There's been trash fires and an attempted burning of a statue. What is there, a few hundred people out there? Hardly chaos. The violence (limited from what I've read) and property damage aren't ok, but it's not some war zone.
If Trump wins, yes people will protest. But I expect that only because of the rhetoric he's set with his whole mail in voter fraud and illegals voting bullshit. No way he wins the popular vote and it will be an even bigger loss in that regard this time so if he somehow claims victory and it's not decisively clear, people aren't just going to accept it. I don't see much happening if he loses. His minions won't know what to do.
I didn’t say it was a “war zone” or that it’s “fallen.” Just losers with no lives setting things on fire and trashing shit for almost two months.
No, just that it will be madness in the streets. It isn't madness right now. There is an isolated area, which I don't know that I'd classify as madness. The violence can mainly be narrowed down to a handful of idiot opportunists not there for actual protest and some over aggressive federal and local law enforcement. What it comes down to, is that LE need to focus their attention on the idiots. Whether that's through plain clothes intervention among the protesters so they can better identify the antagonizers or more thorough investigations of the incidents. LE shouldn't have to put up with people throwing fire crackers and hard objects at them and peaceful protesters shouldn't be tear gassed and pepper balled.
If cops having fire crackers and hard objects thrown at them isn’t madness, then we just differ on our definitions of madness.
And the peaceful protesters are part of the issue. The “handful” of rioters hang out among them, wait for night to fall, and then they start their shit. Until those protests stop, the riots will continue.
And what are the peaceful protesters even protesting at this point? Still police brutality? Well when does that end? Derek Chauvin’s conviction? Biden’s election? Or does God himself have to come down and declare that black lives matter and systemic racism is eradicated?
Surprised to see Pennsylvania so close in that poll. Though the RCP average has Biden at +6.
6.6% on 538
I mean things are bound to tighten as we get closer. But just with PA, two months ago, their average had him at 4.5 and last month it was at 8. So to still be between 6-7%, I think that's pretty damn steady, all things considered. And it's the same story in the other swing states that will decide the election too.
A lot of the ones that came out today were conducted over the weekend, after the big momentous CHANGE OF TONE, that has now shockingly dissipated. Donald Trump is a child who can't act normal for more than a few days at a time.
I was surprised by that CNBC poll. That was doesn’t strike me as a lean right poll and PA/MI are supposed to be 2 of Bidens bedrock “flip back” states. My concern is the law and order nonsense with the federal officers is having an impact specifically in these states. Trump is a talented politician and I wouldn’t be surprised if this specific course of action was not researched in detail beforehand.
In 2016 Clinton was up in these states by 2 or 3 points and this is eerily close to that.
want to maybe get a little concerned, check out Obama’s aggregate polling in these states in both of his elections. Way ahead of Biden if the CNBC polls are too be believed.
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Surprised to see Pennsylvania so close in that poll. Though the RCP average has Biden at +6.
6.6% on 538
I mean things are bound to tighten as we get closer. But just with PA, two months ago, their average had him at 4.5 and last month it was at 8. So to still be between 6-7%, I think that's pretty damn steady, all things considered. And it's the same story in the other swing states that will decide the election too.
A lot of the ones that came out today were conducted over the weekend, after the big momentous CHANGE OF TONE, that has now shockingly dissipated. Donald Trump is a child who can't act normal for more than a few days at a time.
I was surprised by that CNBC poll. That was doesn’t strike me as a lean right poll and PA/MI are supposed to be 2 of Bidens bedrock “flip back” states. My concern is the law and order nonsense with the federal officers is having an impact specifically in these states. Trump is a talented politician and I wouldn’t be surprised if this specific course of action was not researched in detail beforehand.
In 2016 Clinton was up in these states by 2 or 3 points and this is eerily close to that.
want to maybe get a little concerned, check out Obama’s aggregate polling in these states in both of his elections. Way ahead of Biden if the CNBC polls are too be believed.
I would not worry until you see multiple polls showing the same thing. Morning Consult, which had 1,700 more people in their sample size than CNBC/Change Research has Biden up 8 in PA as of yesterday (4 pt increase since May). They've been touting Law and Order nonsense for 2 months now and the polling has not moved much at all. I live outside Philly and his stupid Biden's America ad featuring footage from Trump's America has been running for a long time now. It's all about the Coronavirus.
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Surprised to see Pennsylvania so close in that poll. Though the RCP average has Biden at +6.
6.6% on 538
I mean things are bound to tighten as we get closer. But just with PA, two months ago, their average had him at 4.5 and last month it was at 8. So to still be between 6-7%, I think that's pretty damn steady, all things considered. And it's the same story in the other swing states that will decide the election too.
A lot of the ones that came out today were conducted over the weekend, after the big momentous CHANGE OF TONE, that has now shockingly dissipated. Donald Trump is a child who can't act normal for more than a few days at a time.
I was surprised by that CNBC poll. That was doesn’t strike me as a lean right poll and PA/MI are supposed to be 2 of Bidens bedrock “flip back” states. My concern is the law and order nonsense with the federal officers is having an impact specifically in these states. Trump is a talented politician and I wouldn’t be surprised if this specific course of action was not researched in detail beforehand.
In 2016 Clinton was up in these states by 2 or 3 points and this is eerily close to that.
want to maybe get a little concerned, check out Obama’s aggregate polling in these states in both of his elections. Way ahead of Biden if the CNBC polls are too be believed.
I would not worry until you see multiple polls showing the same thing. Morning Consult, which had 1,700 more people in their sample size than CNBC/Change Research has Biden up 8 in PA as of yesterday (4 pt increase since May). They've been touting Law and Order nonsense for 2 months now and the polling has not moved much at all. I live outside Philly and his stupid Biden's America ad featuring footage from Trump's America has been running for a long time now. It's all about the Coronavirus.
Two new PA polls out today have the lead at 9 and 7...one of them includes 3rd party with Kanye getting 1% of the vote. lol
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This motherfucker's going to grind USPS to a halt before November.
All out in the open for all to see. The base will not care.
If they have to, they'll send his troops into big cities within swing states and just stop people from voting. I'm sure they'd rather be sneaky but they'll destroy the Republic and the Constitution in broad daylight if comes to it. It amazes me that people envision Biden being inaugurated in January. We're in a dictatorship. It's just not official yet.
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Trump campaign appears to be pulling out of Michigan too.
I saw that....INSANE!
They are giving up and trying to avoid being "Goldwatered"
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This motherfucker's going to grind USPS to a halt before November.
All out in the open for all to see. The base will not care.
If they have to, they'll send his troops into big cities within swing states and just stop people from voting. I'm sure they'd rather be sneaky but they'll destroy the Republic and the Constitution in broad daylight if comes to it. It amazes me that people envision Biden being inaugurated in January. We're in a dictatorship. It's just not official yet.
oh the drama.
Darwinspeed, all.
Cheers,
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This motherfucker's going to grind USPS to a halt before November.
All out in the open for all to see. The base will not care.
If they have to, they'll send his troops into big cities within swing states and just stop people from voting. I'm sure they'd rather be sneaky but they'll destroy the Republic and the Constitution in broad daylight if comes to it. It amazes me that people envision Biden being inaugurated in January. We're in a dictatorship. It's just not official yet.
So a few weeks ago I said that everyone should make sure to show up and cast votes in person. Got a lot of negative feedback. Anyone change their mind and think maybe voting in person might be less risky than possibly not getting your mail in ballot counted and have 4 more years of great?
So a few weeks ago I said that everyone should make sure to show up and cast votes in person. Got a lot of negative feedback. Anyone change their mind and think maybe voting in person might be less risky than possibly not getting your mail in ballot counted and have 4 more years of great?
We only vote mail-in in my state, so NOPE! Today our AG has already threatened to sue Trump if he tries to delay.
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So a few weeks ago I said that everyone should make sure to show up and cast votes in person. Got a lot of negative feedback. Anyone change their mind and think maybe voting in person might be less risky than possibly not getting your mail in ballot counted and have 4 more years of great?
I'm planning on voting in-person early on like a Wednesday mid-morning or something. I think I'll be OK.
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trump cannot postpone the election. it takes a constitutional amendment to do so. and that is never going to happen.
The constitution is an old piece of paper that trump has wiped his ass with 1000 times. I’m not holding out that that crusty old thing will protect us after all we’ve seen the last few years.
trump cannot postpone the election. it takes a constitutional amendment to do so. and that is never going to happen.
The constitution is an old piece of paper that trump has wiped his ass with 1000 times. I’m not holding out that that crusty old thing will protect us after all we’ve seen the last few years.
Crusty piece of paper unless the right needs to ramp up the portion of the base that breathes off of their right to bear arms.
It's similar to how an ex-wife/hubby is a awful and ugly human being. Until you see her/him in the bar at 1am.
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There is literally no way he can postpone the election.
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I mean things are bound to tighten as we get closer. But just with PA, two months ago, their average had him at 4.5 and last month it was at 8. So to still be between 6-7%, I think that's pretty damn steady, all things considered. And it's the same story in the other swing states that will decide the election too.
A lot of the ones that came out today were conducted over the weekend, after the big momentous CHANGE OF TONE, that has now shockingly dissipated. Donald Trump is a child who can't act normal for more than a few days at a time.
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Contrast this with Team Trump Treason walking out of the WH briefing room because he was being pressed by a CNN reporter on his repeating/spreading misinformation regarding covid. Can't wait to at least have an adult in the White House again. Nobody likes me, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Yea, you're right for once, can't believe you uttered it in public.
The media meme that former vice president Joe Biden is a gaffe machine, combined with President Trump’s preposterous projection questioning Biden’s acuity, might lead one (even some on the Biden campaign) to conclude he should interact with reporters as infrequently as possible. That is generally good advice for a front-runner, which he surely is. However, after a speech Tuesday on racial inequality, Biden took questions and gave lengthy answers. It was in some ways a revelation.
First, Biden is good at this. He can give long, meaty answers without stumbling. He voices the right amount of disgust and anger at Trump for not pressing Russian President Vladimir Putin on bounties for U.S. troops in Afghanistan, for dividing the country on race, for creating scenes of violence for campaign ads and for botching the coronavirus response. Biden is nimble when it comes to pointing out Trump’s alienation from his own party. (Digging at Trump’s decision to abandon a convention in Jacksonville, Biden wisecracked: “Even the Republicans down there” figured out it would not work.)
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Second, he is reasonably effective at avoiding the false-choice sort of question. Asked if he is running a campaign against Trump or for himself, he deftly answered: “I’m running because Trump is the president. And I think our democracy is at stake — for real. And what seems to be the case is many Americans, those who don’t like me and those that do, view me as the antithesis of Trump. And I believe that I am.” He also refuses to be put in a position that alienates his left-wing allies or chases away moderates and even conservatives. He explained that the measures he proposes are all consistent with capitalism but that there are things only government can do. He made explicit, however, that if his proposals get through, he will “go down as one of the most progressive presidents in American history.”
Third, he understands that rather than a revolution, many if not most voters want stability, functional government and a normal president. “This isn’t about law and order,” he said of Trump’s deployment of federal agents. “It’s about a strategy to revive a failing campaign.” He added that Trump was obviously trying “to scare the devil out of the American people.” As for Biden’s own qualifications, he cited foreign policy and the ability to work with others, rebutting the popular cynicism that you cannot work with the other side. “If we can’t unite America, we’re gone. We’re dead. Democracy is dead,” he said. “[Democracy] requires consensus.”
There was a reason Trump was so afraid to run against Biden that he turned to Ukraine and China for help. Biden is an elusive foe: He’s a staunch defender of public order (“we do need to hold those who violate the law accountable”) who can empathize with Black Lives Matter; a progressive who does not scare off swing states and centrist voters; and someone who by providing such a vivid contrast with the incumbent can remind us we dearly need a decent, trustworthy and informed president.
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In 2016 Clinton was up in these states by 2 or 3 points and this is eerily close to that.
want to maybe get a little concerned, check out Obama’s aggregate polling in these states in both of his elections. Way ahead of Biden if the CNBC polls are too be believed.
Not surprised at all.
Cheers,
HFD
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They are giving up and trying to avoid being "Goldwatered"
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
Cheers,
HFD
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I'm planning on voting in-person early on like a Wednesday mid-morning or something. I think I'll be OK.
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It's similar to how an ex-wife/hubby is a awful and ugly human being. Until you see her/him in the bar at 1am.
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14