Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

cutz

Bentleyspop said:

Someone is going to throw a tantrum.....
Twitter temporarily restricted Trump campaign's ability to tweet over false Covid-19 claims https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/tech/twitter-trump-restrict/index.html

static111

Biden

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i heard it was going to be tomorrow, but who knows?

i hope it is harris.

Copmala? I don’t see that as being any better than Susan “Benghazi” Rice In today’s political climate. I’ll take Bass please. 2nd Bottoms and 3rd Duckworth.

Bass will cost us Florida.  No chance.  She's damaged. 

Still Bottoms and Duckworth.  Copmala could cost a lot of progressive votes.  Or are only progressives supposed to vote blue no matter who and centrists and righties get to call the shots?  Honestly Bass is seemingly safe if the real purpose of this election is getting Trump out and voting Biden.  I've seen people declare they will vote Biden if he pissed his pants.  A few comments on some of the good things that Castro accomplished should hardly cost the election in comparison.  

I'm not arguing for Kamela, but the Castro praise opens up a line of attack that just isn't necessary.  
I like Duckworth. Are there any negatives to her at all?

Duckworth is probably the safest choice IMO.  Maybe not the most progressive but you'd have a hard time convincing me that anyone that lost any number of limbs for her country and served in congress can be viewed in any kind of negative light by any but the most extreme.

OnWis97

Biden

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i heard it was going to be tomorrow, but who knows?

i hope it is harris.

Copmala? I don’t see that as being any better than Susan “Benghazi” Rice In today’s political climate. I’ll take Bass please. 2nd Bottoms and 3rd Duckworth.

Bass will cost us Florida.  No chance.  She's damaged. 

Still Bottoms and Duckworth.  Copmala could cost a lot of progressive votes.  Or are only progressives supposed to vote blue no matter who and centrists and righties get to call the shots?  Honestly Bass is seemingly safe if the real purpose of this election is getting Trump out and voting Biden.  I've seen people declare they will vote Biden if he pissed his pants.  A few comments on some of the good things that Castro accomplished should hardly cost the election in comparison.  

I'm not arguing for Kamela, but the Castro praise opens up a line of attack that just isn't necessary.  
I like Duckworth. Are there any negatives to her at all?

Duckworth is probably the safest choice IMO.  Maybe not the most progressive but you'd have a hard time convincing me that anyone that lost any number of limbs for her country and served in congress can be viewed in any kind of negative light by any but the most extreme.

She’s the most intriguing from the “how will Trump and his campaign attack her” perspective.

”I like soldiers that don’t lose limbs.

Lerxst1992

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i heard it was going to be tomorrow, but who knows?

i hope it is harris.

Copmala? I don’t see that as being any better than Susan “Benghazi” Rice In today’s political climate. I’ll take Bass please. 2nd Bottoms and 3rd Duckworth.

Bass will cost us Florida.  No chance.  She's damaged. 

Still Bottoms and Duckworth.  Copmala could cost a lot of progressive votes.  Or are only progressives supposed to vote blue no matter who and centrists and righties get to call the shots?  Honestly Bass is seemingly safe if the real purpose of this election is getting Trump out and voting Biden.  I've seen people declare they will vote Biden if he pissed his pants.  A few comments on some of the good things that Castro accomplished should hardly cost the election in comparison.  

I'm not arguing for Kamela, but the Castro praise opens up a line of attack that just isn't necessary.  
I like Duckworth. Are there any negatives to her at all?

Duckworth is probably the safest choice IMO.  Maybe not the most progressive but you'd have a hard time convincing me that anyone that lost any number of limbs for her country and served in congress can be viewed in any kind of negative light by any but the most extreme.

Duckworth would be an excellent choice. For the heat I get "blaming" independent swing voters, that is who biden must appeal to when going up against a sitting president 

 Kamala is the most battle tested of all the candidates,  appeals to the democratic base and is a fierce campaigner and debater.
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Ledbetterman10

Biden

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i heard it was going to be tomorrow, but who knows?

i hope it is harris.

Copmala? I don’t see that as being any better than Susan “Benghazi” Rice In today’s political climate. I’ll take Bass please. 2nd Bottoms and 3rd Duckworth.

Bass will cost us Florida.  No chance.  She's damaged. 

Still Bottoms and Duckworth.  Copmala could cost a lot of progressive votes.  Or are only progressives supposed to vote blue no matter who and centrists and righties get to call the shots?  Honestly Bass is seemingly safe if the real purpose of this election is getting Trump out and voting Biden.  I've seen people declare they will vote Biden if he pissed his pants.  A few comments on some of the good things that Castro accomplished should hardly cost the election in comparison.  

I'm not arguing for Kamela, but the Castro praise opens up a line of attack that just isn't necessary.  
I like Duckworth. Are there any negatives to her at all?

Duckworth is probably the safest choice IMO.  Maybe not the most progressive but you'd have a hard time convincing me that anyone that lost any number of limbs for her country and served in congress can be viewed in any kind of negative light by any but the most extreme.

Duckworth would be an excellent choice. For the heat I get "blaming" independent swing voters, that is who biden must appeal to when going up against a sitting president 

 Kamala is the most battle tested of all the candidates,  appeals to the democratic base and is a fierce campaigner and debater.

I'm not so sure about that. Remember, she had to drop out of the race before the Iowa Caucus because she had such little support. 

Bentleyspop

Biden

cutz said:

Bentleyspop said:

Someone is going to throw a tantrum.....
Twitter temporarily restricted Trump campaign's ability to tweet over false Covid-19 claims https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/tech/twitter-trump-restrict/index.html

YO SEMITES

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i heard it was going to be tomorrow, but who knows?

i hope it is harris.

Copmala? I don’t see that as being any better than Susan “Benghazi” Rice In today’s political climate. I’ll take Bass please. 2nd Bottoms and 3rd Duckworth.

Bass will cost us Florida.  No chance.  She's damaged. 

Still Bottoms and Duckworth.  Copmala could cost a lot of progressive votes.  Or are only progressives supposed to vote blue no matter who and centrists and righties get to call the shots?  Honestly Bass is seemingly safe if the real purpose of this election is getting Trump out and voting Biden.  I've seen people declare they will vote Biden if he pissed his pants.  A few comments on some of the good things that Castro accomplished should hardly cost the election in comparison.  

I'm not arguing for Kamela, but the Castro praise opens up a line of attack that just isn't necessary.  
I like Duckworth. Are there any negatives to her at all?

Duckworth is probably the safest choice IMO.  Maybe not the most progressive but you'd have a hard time convincing me that anyone that lost any number of limbs for her country and served in congress can be viewed in any kind of negative light by any but the most extreme.

Duckworth would be an excellent choice. For the heat I get "blaming" independent swing voters, that is who biden must appeal to when going up against a sitting president 

 Kamala is the most battle tested of all the candidates,  appeals to the democratic base and is a fierce campaigner and debater.

I'm not so sure about that. Remember, she had to drop out of the race before the Iowa Caucus because she had such little support. 

she'd appeal to moderate republicans and swing voters for her tough stance on crime. and the allegations she used the power of her office to keep people in prison. 

conservatives like that sort of thing. 

OnWis97

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i heard it was going to be tomorrow, but who knows?

i hope it is harris.

Copmala? I don’t see that as being any better than Susan “Benghazi” Rice In today’s political climate. I’ll take Bass please. 2nd Bottoms and 3rd Duckworth.

Bass will cost us Florida.  No chance.  She's damaged. 

Still Bottoms and Duckworth.  Copmala could cost a lot of progressive votes.  Or are only progressives supposed to vote blue no matter who and centrists and righties get to call the shots?  Honestly Bass is seemingly safe if the real purpose of this election is getting Trump out and voting Biden.  I've seen people declare they will vote Biden if he pissed his pants.  A few comments on some of the good things that Castro accomplished should hardly cost the election in comparison.  

I'm not arguing for Kamela, but the Castro praise opens up a line of attack that just isn't necessary.  
I like Duckworth. Are there any negatives to her at all?

Duckworth is probably the safest choice IMO.  Maybe not the most progressive but you'd have a hard time convincing me that anyone that lost any number of limbs for her country and served in congress can be viewed in any kind of negative light by any but the most extreme.

Duckworth would be an excellent choice. For the heat I get "blaming" independent swing voters, that is who biden must appeal to when going up against a sitting president 

 Kamala is the most battle tested of all the candidates,  appeals to the democratic base and is a fierce campaigner and debater.

I'm not so sure about that. Remember, she had to drop out of the race before the Iowa Caucus because she had such little support. 

she'd appeal to moderate republicans and swing voters for her tough stance on crime. and the allegations she used the power of her office to keep people in prison. 

conservatives like that sort of thing. 

Yeah, but her race offsets that, anyway, unless she really doubles-down on law-and-order, to the determent of the left's vote. 

She really is someone who comes across as tough and smart (which is unfortunately a double-edged sword for a woman). I'm not a fan of her typical "get the win and lock 'em up" prosecutor attitude. Not that it would dissuade my vote.  President Harris is better than President Trump, Pence, Haley, Crenshaw, Owens, or whatever else they might throw at us.

Halifax2TheMax

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

i heard it was going to be tomorrow, but who knows?

i hope it is harris.

Copmala? I don’t see that as being any better than Susan “Benghazi” Rice In today’s political climate. I’ll take Bass please. 2nd Bottoms and 3rd Duckworth.

Bass will cost us Florida.  No chance.  She's damaged. 

Still Bottoms and Duckworth.  Copmala could cost a lot of progressive votes.  Or are only progressives supposed to vote blue no matter who and centrists and righties get to call the shots?  Honestly Bass is seemingly safe if the real purpose of this election is getting Trump out and voting Biden.  I've seen people declare they will vote Biden if he pissed his pants.  A few comments on some of the good things that Castro accomplished should hardly cost the election in comparison.  

I'm not arguing for Kamela, but the Castro praise opens up a line of attack that just isn't necessary.  
I like Duckworth. Are there any negatives to her at all?

Duckworth is probably the safest choice IMO.  Maybe not the most progressive but you'd have a hard time convincing me that anyone that lost any number of limbs for her country and served in congress can be viewed in any kind of negative light by any but the most extreme.

Duckworth would be an excellent choice. For the heat I get "blaming" independent swing voters, that is who biden must appeal to when going up against a sitting president 

 Kamala is the most battle tested of all the candidates,  appeals to the democratic base and is a fierce campaigner and debater.

I'm not so sure about that. Remember, she had to drop out of the race before the Iowa Caucus because she had such little support. 

she'd appeal to moderate republicans and swing voters for her tough stance on crime. and the allegations she used the power of her office to keep people in prison. 

conservatives like that sort of thing. 

Yeah, but her race offsets that, anyway, unless she really doubles-down on law-and-order, to the determent of the left's vote. 

She really is someone who comes across as tough and smart (which is unfortunately a double-edged sword for a woman). I'm not a fan of her typical "get the win and lock 'em up" prosecutor attitude. Not that it would dissuade my vote.  President Harris is better than President Trump, Pence, Haley, Crenshaw, Owens, or whatever else they might throw at us.

What's the word on Harris' ability to work with the repubs in the senate? Hillary was widely complimented for her abilities, being prepared, etc. and was praised by repubs when she was in the senate. I haven't heard the same of Harris and Sleepy Woke Joe is going to need someone to twist arms and shepherd legislation through the senate, whether a slim repub majority or dem majority of some number. I haven't heard anything about Harris' ability to get along with her senate colleagues.

Kat

Biden

Policy comments in this interview....not posting it here for the possible soul-eater prosecution part. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899375561/biden-says-he-wouldnt-stand-in-the-way-of-a-trump-prosecution&t=1596719990031

Gern Blansten

Biden

Kat said:

Policy comments in this interview....not posting it here for the possible soul-eater prosecution part. 

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/06/899375561/biden-says-he-wouldnt-stand-in-the-way-of-a-trump-prosecution&t=1596719990031

You would think that tRump (being the narcissistic asshole that he is) would consider that Biden might retaliate against him if he wins due to tRump blathering on about Burrista, etc.  

If the roles were reversed you can bet that tRump would get in office and use all of his powers to make Biden's life miserable.

Ledbetterman10

Biden

They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates. 

https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1291447192222420999?s=20

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

jesus christ. what is he saying?

static111

Biden

HughFreakingDillon said:

jesus christ. what is he saying?

Some of us have been saying for a long time that he will be his own disaster.  

static111

Biden

Ledbetterman10 said:

They really should just lock him down and not let him say a word until the debates. 

https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1291447192222420999?s=20

They should really hold an emergency meeting and get one of the younger candidates to replace him.

JimmyV

Biden

#ShouldHaveBeenWarren

static111

Biden

Listen I know nobody wants the DNC to subvert democracy and take the "choice" out of the publics hands, but come on.  Pick Michelle Obama as vice, Drop Joe promote Michelle then put some milquetoast conservative in the VP slot so we don't alienate the republican "allies". 8 more years of conservative Neo-Liberalism for all lol

dignin

Biden was my last choice but I don't know what the context of the interview, question, or answer was. A few seconds of a clip with no context. Otherwise, it's a gaffe, which we all know Biden makes. Not the end of the world.

Ledbetterman10

Biden

dignin said:

Biden was my last choice but I don't know what the context of the interview, question, or answer was. A few seconds of a clip with no context. Otherwise, it's a gaffe, which we all know Biden makes. Not the end of the world.

Not the end of the world but for fuck’s sake, the exact group of people whose votes he should have in the bag is who he’s insulting. A little while back, it was “If you don’t vote for me, you ain’t black.” This, in essence, is him saying all black people are the same (or at least it’s reasonable for a black person to interpret it that way). 

Halifax2TheMax

From WaPo

Trump says Biden’s recent remarks were ‘a great insult to the Black community’

Trump on Thursday seized on recent remarks by Biden, describing the former vice president’s words as “a great insult to the Black community.”

It was not immediately clear which remarks the president was referring to, but Biden has drawn criticism for two interviews this week.

On Wednesday, in response to CBS correspondent Errol Barnett’s question about whether he had taken a cognitive test, Biden rhetorically asked Barnett whether he was a “junkie."

“No, I haven’t taken a test. Why the hell would I take a test? Come on, man,” Biden said in the interview. “That’s like saying, you — before you got on this program, have you taken a test whether you’re taking cocaine or not. What do you think, huh? Are you a junkie?”

Then, in an interview with NPR’s Lulu Garcia-Navarro on Thursday, Biden drew a comparison between what he views as the ideological diversity of the Latino community and that of the African American community.

“What you all know, but most people don’t know, unlike the African American community — with notable exceptions — the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community, with incredibly different attitudes about different things,” Biden said. “You go to Florida, you’ll find a very different attitude about immigration in certain places than you do when you’re in Arizona. So, it’s a very different, a very diverse community.”

Trump, who has a long history of making racist comments about Black public figures, told reporters outside the White House on Thursday that he had just watched a video clip in which Biden “totally disparaged and insulted the Black community.”

“What he said is incredible,” Trump said. “And I don’t know what’s going on with them, but it was a very insulting statement he made. … It was a great insult to the Black community.”

He later followed up with a tweet on Biden’s remarks about ideological diversity, writing, “Wow! Joe Biden just lost the entire African American community. What a 'dumb’ thing to say!”

Trump’s past remarks include his “birther” attacks on Barack Obama, his questioning of the intelligence of basketball star LeBron James and numerous other African American figures, and his demand that four Democratic congresswomen of color “go back” to the “crime-infested places from which they came."

By Felicia Sonmez