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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That's not really true as there was  no incumbent on the ballot. 

    '12, '04, '96, '92, and '84 are the examples to pay attention to. Trump is poised for an historic loss at the moment.

    Also worth noting that there are tons more pollsters today than before and polling, despite what people think, is a lot more accurate today as well. 


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  • The Juggler
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    Wow is right. I had no idea he had such a big lead in the polls that summer. Still though, those were two "new" candidates. For Trump as the incumbent to have these sort of numbers might lead to a landslide loss for him. I wonder what the Clinton/Bush numbers in 1992 would look like without Perot in there. 
    Those are the numbers without Perot. He got out in June. That is why Clinton's lead was so big at that time. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    Wow is right. I had no idea he had such a big lead in the polls that summer. Still though, those were two "new" candidates. For Trump as the incumbent to have these sort of numbers might lead to a landslide loss for him. I wonder what the Clinton/Bush numbers in 1992 would look like without Perot in there. 
    Those are the numbers without Perot. He got out in June. That is why Clinton's lead was so big at that time. 
    I'm not sure what you mean here. How did Perot get out in June? He was on the ballot in November and got like 20 million votes. 
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited July 2020
    Biden
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    Wow is right. I had no idea he had such a big lead in the polls that summer. Still though, those were two "new" candidates. For Trump as the incumbent to have these sort of numbers might lead to a landslide loss for him. I wonder what the Clinton/Bush numbers in 1992 would look like without Perot in there. 
    Those are the numbers without Perot. He got out in June. That is why Clinton's lead was so big at that time. 
    I'm not sure what you mean here. How did Perot get out in June? He was on the ballot in November and got like 20 million votes. 
    Because he got back in after Labor Day


    edit

    He actually dropped out on 7/15.
    That's why that tweet came out when it did. 
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,984
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    Didn't Perot say something about having accomplished what he wanted to do and then said he was out? 



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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    edited July 2020
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    Kat said:
    Didn't Perot say something about having accomplished what he wanted to do and then said he was out? 



    He called black people "you people" at an NAACP conference. Hahaha....not the savviest of political moves. His numbers dropped like a rock and he got out shortly after. 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    Wow is right. I had no idea he had such a big lead in the polls that summer. Still though, those were two "new" candidates. For Trump as the incumbent to have these sort of numbers might lead to a landslide loss for him. I wonder what the Clinton/Bush numbers in 1992 would look like without Perot in there. 
    Those are the numbers without Perot. He got out in June. That is why Clinton's lead was so big at that time. 
    I'm not sure what you mean here. How did Perot get out in June? He was on the ballot in November and got like 20 million votes. 
    Because he got back in after Labor Day
    Never knew that. But it makes sense now because I couldn't understand how Clinton had such a big lead in that graphic that was posted above, but went on to only win the popular vote 43% to Bush's 37%....with Perot taking 19%. 

    I'd love to read a good, non-biased study on Perot's impact in 1992. We're pretty much all in agreement that if Ralph Nadar doesn't run in 2000, then Gore wins. But with 1992, I've heard arguments somewhat down partisan lines: Democrats suggesting that Clinton would've won with or without Perot running, and Republicans suggesting that Perot cost Bush. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,731
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    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)
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  • OnWis97
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    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)

    There are circumstance to all of the big shifts.  This time, the circumstances could be different. But the need to be on guard and not be complacent still applies.  Trump has a fantastic add right now about de-funding the police (calling 911 and getting a voicemail message with a five-day wait). It's BS, but it should be effective.  Could be this year's Willie Horton. 
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  • The Juggler
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    edited July 2020
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)

    There are circumstance to all of the big shifts.  This time, the circumstances could be different. But the need to be on guard and not be complacent still applies.  Trump has a fantastic add right now about de-funding the police (calling 911 and getting a voicemail message with a five-day wait). It's BS, but it should be effective.  Could be this year's Willie Horton. 
    It's been airing for weeks...meanwhile Biden's lead has remained the same. 

    It's all about the Coronavirus and Trump gets abysmal marks on his handling of it. Even among Republicans his numbers are way down. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,130
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)

    There are circumstance to all of the big shifts.  This time, the circumstances could be different. But the need to be on guard and not be complacent still applies.  Trump has a fantastic add right now about de-funding the police (calling 911 and getting a voicemail message with a five-day wait). It's BS, but it should be effective.  Could be this year's Willie Horton. 
    It's been airing for weeks...meanwhile Biden's lead has remained the same. 

    It's all about the Coronavirus and Trump gets abysmal marks on his handling of it. Even among Republicans his numbers are way down. 
    That ad is stupid as wherever it’s airing, the images are not the reality and I’m guessing that most people still see their local PO PO on patrol doing what local PO PO do.
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  • The Juggler
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)

    There are circumstance to all of the big shifts.  This time, the circumstances could be different. But the need to be on guard and not be complacent still applies.  Trump has a fantastic add right now about de-funding the police (calling 911 and getting a voicemail message with a five-day wait). It's BS, but it should be effective.  Could be this year's Willie Horton. 
    It's been airing for weeks...meanwhile Biden's lead has remained the same. 

    It's all about the Coronavirus and Trump gets abysmal marks on his handling of it. Even among Republicans his numbers are way down. 
    That ad is stupid as wherever it’s airing, the images are not the reality and I’m guessing that most people still see their local PO PO on patrol doing what local PO PO do.
    The other stupid thing about it is they are images from Trump's America right now, yet Trump is trying to tell us that that's what it's going to be like in Biden's America. He thinks he is Nixon in '68 but forgot Nixon wasn't the incumbent. 
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    edited July 2020
    EDIT I guess its a fake account for Bill Stepien




    https://twitter.com/Stepien_Bill/status/1284267312552357888
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    PJNB said:
    EDIT I guess its a fake account for Bill Stepien




    https://twitter.com/Stepien_Bill/status/1284267312552357888
    Fooled me at first too
    lol
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  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    The Juggler said:
    PJNB said:
    EDIT I guess its a fake account for Bill Stepien




    https://twitter.com/Stepien_Bill/status/1284267312552357888
    Fooled me at first too
    lol
    163K votes for a fake account. Twitter is crazy!
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)

    There are circumstance to all of the big shifts.  This time, the circumstances could be different. But the need to be on guard and not be complacent still applies.  Trump has a fantastic add right now about de-funding the police (calling 911 and getting a voicemail message with a five-day wait). It's BS, but it should be effective.  Could be this year's Willie Horton. 
    It's been airing for weeks...meanwhile Biden's lead has remained the same. 

    It's all about the Coronavirus and Trump gets abysmal marks on his handling of it. Even among Republicans his numbers are way down. 
    That ad is stupid as wherever it’s airing, the images are not the reality and I’m guessing that most people still see their local PO PO on patrol doing what local PO PO do.
    The other stupid thing about it is they are images from Trump's America right now, yet Trump is trying to tell us that that's what it's going to be like in Biden's America. He thinks he is Nixon in '68 but forgot Nixon wasn't the incumbent. 
    Yes! That's the point I make all the time!  Trump is going to protect us from violence and China? Wtf, is he waiting season 2 before he starts?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)

    There are circumstance to all of the big shifts.  This time, the circumstances could be different. But the need to be on guard and not be complacent still applies.  Trump has a fantastic add right now about de-funding the police (calling 911 and getting a voicemail message with a five-day wait). It's BS, but it should be effective.  Could be this year's Willie Horton. 
    It's been airing for weeks...meanwhile Biden's lead has remained the same. 

    It's all about the Coronavirus and Trump gets abysmal marks on his handling of it. Even among Republicans his numbers are way down. 
    That ad is stupid as wherever it’s airing, the images are not the reality and I’m guessing that most people still see their local PO PO on patrol doing what local PO PO do.
    The other stupid thing about it is they are images from Trump's America right now, yet Trump is trying to tell us that that's what it's going to be like in Biden's America. He thinks he is Nixon in '68 but forgot Nixon wasn't the incumbent. 
    Yes! That's the point I make all the time!  Trump is going to protect us from violence and China? Wtf, is he waiting season 2 before he starts?
    At least in 2016 he had a message that made sense, in a nonsensical way. Now? No. Not even close. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    OnWis97 said:
    1988 should be enough for people to not be too relaxed.  WOW.
    That was before the tank and Willie Horton ads :)

    There are circumstance to all of the big shifts.  This time, the circumstances could be different. But the need to be on guard and not be complacent still applies.  Trump has a fantastic add right now about de-funding the police (calling 911 and getting a voicemail message with a five-day wait). It's BS, but it should be effective.  Could be this year's Willie Horton. 
    It's been airing for weeks...meanwhile Biden's lead has remained the same. 

    It's all about the Coronavirus and Trump gets abysmal marks on his handling of it. Even among Republicans his numbers are way down. 
    That ad is stupid as wherever it’s airing, the images are not the reality and I’m guessing that most people still see their local PO PO on patrol doing what local PO PO do.
    The other stupid thing about it is they are images from Trump's America right now, yet Trump is trying to tell us that that's what it's going to be like in Biden's America. He thinks he is Nixon in '68 but forgot Nixon wasn't the incumbent. 
    Yes! That's the point I make all the time!  Trump is going to protect us from violence and China? Wtf, is he waiting season 2 before he starts?
    At least in 2016 he had a message that made sense, in a nonsensical way. Now? No. Not even close. 
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  • static111
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    Now that he has literally created a private armed militarized police unit does anyone think we will actually have an election?
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,522
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    static111 said:
    Now that he has literally created a private armed militarized police unit does anyone think we will actually have an election?
    Not a legitimate one anyhow. I firmly believe he will be president for 4 more years. 
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