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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    Biden
    darwinstheory said:
    static111 said:
    Now that he has literally created a private armed militarized police unit does anyone think we will actually have an election?
    Not a legitimate one anyhow. I firmly believe he will be president for 4 more years. 
    The results are fake I did not lose.  PACT will be rounding up dissenters and recounting the votes. You will see that I actually won very bigly.  Any protests and dissent are just organized violent aggressive actions by antifa and will be treated as such.  It’s gonna be a tremendous second term America.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Biden
    Trump refusing to admit he lost is only part of the concern. His kicking and screaming won't matter much if Republican politicians and voters refuse to go along for the ride. I'd like to think they won't, but we haven't seen much from them indicating that.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    If he loses he will go. He will have no choice. Him and his D team don't have the brains to hold on. 

    What's clear is he doesn't have the support of the military and the "deep state".

    I'm way more worried about outside influence on the election, dirty tricks, covid affect and voter suppression in swing states.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    dignin said:
    If he loses he will go. He will have no choice. Him and his D team don't have the brains to hold on. 

    What's clear is he doesn't have the support of the military and the "deep state".

    I'm way more worried about outside influence on the election, dirty tricks, covid affect and voter suppression in swing states.
    That's right.  Even though it's banana republic stuff,  in times of constitutional crisis,  the military is what it's about. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,342
    Biden
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    Really good read about how Biden has incorporated left policies, but couching them in moderate language.  For those of you really interested in policy, this is a good read.  I'd be interested in hearing @static111 view, considering he is definitely left of me and several of us.  https://www.vox.com/21322478/joe-biden-overton-window-bidenism
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,031
    Biden
    anybody want to watch trump vs joe in a congnitive exam? LOL...

    trump told chris wallace the last 5 questions were very hard and that he does not think that wallace can get them right.

    wallace then said "one of the questions is to count backwards from 100 by 7..."

    haha

    one of the tests i have seen online asks the test taker to identify the elephant from a choice of 3 different animals...
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,153
    Biden
    I said it before but it amazes me how the right attacks Biden for verbal gaffes and misspeaks....given the same coming out of the orange idiot.
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    I said it before but it amazes me how the right attacks Biden for verbal gaffes and misspeaks....given the same coming out of the orange idiot.
    Projection is Imbedded in most of their attacks.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
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    mrussel1 said:Really good read about how Biden has incorporated left policies, but couching them in moderate language.  For those of you really interested in policy, this is a good read.  I'd be interested in hearing @static111 view, considering he is definitely left of me and several of us.  https://www.vox.com/21322478/joe-biden-overton-window-bidenism
    I have been very impressed with how far left the Biden team has been willing to go.  I realize that without a huge amount of popular support a green new deal or Sanders platform is untenable.  It’s nice to see some overtures to the left and as the “Overton Window” shifts it will be easier to move a little further to the left.  There is a lot of work to try to repair massive deregulation, tax cuts for the wealthy, an eroding infrastructure and a threadbare social safety net.  I’m hoping that with Biden moving to the left it is only the first step.  As his policies become more to my liking I feel better that I am voting Biden and not just voting against trump.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,038
    The enemy of my enemy is my friend. We need all the help we can get and we'll worry about the neocons later. We need to get rid of Team Trump Treason and his goon squads NOW.

    One night in 1984, when Heath Eiden was sixteen, he found himself at the Hotel Meridien in San Francisco, in the campaign suite of Walter Mondale. This was during the Democratic National Convention. Consultants and congressmen milled around, wreathed in cigar smoke. Eiden, then a high-school junior from Minneapolis, was there with Mondale’s son Ted, as a volunteer. He was next to Mondale when the candidate took a call from Lane Kirkland, the head of the A.F.L.-C.I.O. (“You got it, Fritz”), and then announced to the room that he’d won enough delegates to secure the nomination. Eiden was bewitched. “The spirit left the road and jumped up into me,” he recalled. “Fritz Mondale, the last honest politician: he actually said, ‘Yeah, I’m going to raise your taxes.’ ”

    After Reagan beat Mondale that year in a landslide (Mondale won just one state: Minnesota), Eiden, an early adept with his school’s Sony Betacam 1800, got the first on-camera interview with the loser. (It led to his short film, “Triumph Over Tragedy: The Humphrey-Mondale Tradition,” which is archived at the Minnesota Historical Society.) Eiden had TV-news aspirations, but before long disillusionment over sensationalism and dishonesty in the media soured him on it all. His last-ditch attempt was a documentary, in 2004, of another doomed White House bid, called “Dean and Me: Lessons from an American Primary,” which failed to change the world or to make him rich.

    A couple of weeks ago, Eiden, who now lives in Stowe, Vermont, and works as a video producer, got a call from Stuart Stevens, the political consultant, who also has a house in Stowe. Stevens has advised five Republican Presidential candidates, including George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, but has recently abandoned the Party, in the belief that it has abandoned him. (His eighth book, to be published next month, is called “It Was All a Lie: How the Republican Party Became Donald Trump.” Last week, he said, “The Party always had a dark side. We thought it was a recessive gene, but it turned out to be the dominant gene. I feel like a sucker.”)

    Stevens was calling on behalf of the Lincoln Project, the confederation of G.O.P. apostates who, appalled by Trump, had formed a political-action committee to defeat him. The Lincoln Project had been producing sharply negative TV ads about Trump, which have run mostly in Washington, D.C., mainly to needle their subject, but which, because of their sass and their source, almost always go viral on social media.

    Stevens wanted Eiden to shoot the Lincoln Project’s new spot. This one would feature an emergency-room doctor down the road, in South Burlington, named Dan Barkhuff, a former Navy Seal and a graduate of the Naval Academy and of Harvard

    Medical School, who had started an organization called Veterans for Responsible Leadership. The occasion was the news that the President had ignored intelligence reports that a Russian military unit had been paying bounties to the Taliban for the killing of American soldiers in Afghanistan.

    Eiden was torn. On the one hand, work was scarce during the pandemic, and, of course, he abhorred Trump and had been frustrated by the Democrats’ failure to hit back. But, as a dyed-in-the-down Minnesota liberal, he had misgivings about working with what he called “the dark side”—some of the Republican operatives who, by way of rough tactics, had engineered the demise of so many of his favored candidates through the years. Ultimately, though, the enemy-of-my-enemy principle pertained.

    The previous week, he’d driven to Minneapolis with his teen-age son, to pay their respects (and shoot some footage) at the memorial for George Floyd. That experience, plus a few days in the suburbs among Covid truthers, and an encounter with a waiter making an “I can’t breathe” joke, had only quickened his revulsion. “If it takes working with Republicans to get this fucker out of the White House, fine,” he said.

    “What kind of style do you want?” Eiden asked Stevens.

    “Think Swift Boat,” Stevens replied.

    “I knew exactly what I’d found myself in the middle of,” Eiden recalled.

    Eiden and Barkhuff met up at Stevens’s house. The Lincoln Project had sent a script, by a screenwriter of the HBO series “Band of Brothers,” but Barkhuff ditched it for one of his own. Identifying himself as “a pro-life gun-owning combat veteran,” he said into the camera, “Any Commander-in-Chief with a spine would be stomping the shit out of some Russians right now, diplomatically, economically, or, if necessary, with the sort of asymmetric warfare they’re using to send our kids home in body bags. Mr. Trump, you’re either a coward who can’t stand up to an ex-K.G.B. goon or you’re complicit. Which is it?”

    Afterward, Eiden went home and uploaded the footage. An editor named Joey, in Denver, put it together overnight. The following afternoon, Stevens noted that the spot, called “Betrayed,” had been viewed online more than six million times. To what end, time will tell. ♦

    Published in the print edition of the July 20, 2020, issue, with the headline “Right Place, Right Time.”

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/07/20/is-working-with-the-lincoln-project-sleeping-with-the-enemy

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,153
    Biden
    Weird shit going down today....AOC getting attacked, Cheney getting attacked by GOP, etc.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    Biden
    Gern Blansten said:
    Weird shit going down today....AOC getting attacked, Cheney getting attacked by GOP, etc.
    Are they really attacking Darth Cheney for not being evil enough?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    static111 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Weird shit going down today....AOC getting attacked, Cheney getting attacked by GOP, etc.
    Are they really attacking Darth Cheney for not being evil enough?
    Lizzy. Not Darth. Apparently 97% isn’t good enough. You have to goose step along, yo. “Freedom” Caucus, what a joke. Has anyone asked them how they feel about goon squads snatching people off the street? “Freedom” Caucus my ass.

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  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,991
    edited July 2020
    Biden
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE
    He sounds like an older version of me.


    And yeah, good effort with the Seinfeld thing. Seems like a copyright infringement though? 
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  • Ledbetterman10
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    The Juggler said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE
    He sounds like an older version of me.


    And yeah, good effort with the Seinfeld thing. Seems like a copyright infringement though? 
    I don't think is so because it's not the same music. it's just a generic rip-off version. Really, I think they just wanted to put a laugh-track over Trump and felt that while they're at it, might as well just throw in some knock-off Seinfeld music. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    One of the better Republican Voters Against Trump testimonials. This guy quit the GOP sometime during the Obama administration when he decided the GOP was going downhill.....with Trump ending up the appropriate microcosm of the decline...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl2HhUAdgaE


    Debased,  like the Pixies?

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  • Bentleyspop
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    Biden

  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,038
    Team Trump Treason just can't shake The Ukraine. I mean really? No real deal US of A lawlessness and chaos to highlight and claim how out of control things are? No CHOP/CHAZ or Portland or DC footage available? Ruddy Ghouliani still on the payroll? Sheesh.

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