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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,352
    Biden
    jeffbr said:
    Kanye had a good run, and his contribution will have a lasting impact in shaping policy for the next 20 years. He's a national treasure.
    :lol:

    In fairness, he has done more political good during his presidental run than trump has done in the last 6 months.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,821
    Biden
    darwinstheory said:
    jeffbr said:
    Kanye had a good run, and his contribution will have a lasting impact in shaping policy for the next 20 years. He's a national treasure.
    :lol:

    In fairness, he has done more political good during his presidental run than trump has done in the last 6 months.
    Nope.  He didn't do any good.  But he did do less harm ;)
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    edited July 2020
    Biden
    New Q poll has Biden up 15 points

    Good god. I was gonna post earlier that his lead was starting to narrow just a bit too. This and some others today put a stop to that...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,038
    The Juggler said:
    New Q poll has Biden up 15 points

    Good god. I was gonna post earlier that his lead was starting to narrow just a bit too. This and some others today put a stop to that...
    QAnon conducts polls?
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
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    Biden is now polling better on the economy too....
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  • darwinstheory
    darwinstheory LaPorte, IN Posts: 7,352
    Biden
    cincybearcat said:
    darwinstheory said:
    jeffbr said:
    Kanye had a good run, and his contribution will have a lasting impact in shaping policy for the next 20 years. He's a national treasure.
    :lol:

    In fairness, he has done more political good during his presidental run than trump has done in the last 6 months.
    Nope.  He didn't do any good.  But he did do less harm ;)
    I'll accept that.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Biden
    The Juggler said:
    Biden is now polling better on the economy too....
    We haven't really discussed Bidens economic plan he released last week. It's fundamentally... Buy American, but don't be a dick about it.  

    He would direct the govt to buy American first,  without interfering in private business nor raising tariffs. 
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Biden is now polling better on the economy too....
    We haven't really discussed Bidens economic plan he released last week. It's fundamentally... Buy American, but don't be a dick about it.  

    He would direct the govt to buy American first,  without interfering in private business nor raising tariffs. 
    I liked his quote about climate change. Something to the effect of "When Trump thinks of Climate change he thinks of the word hoax.; When I think of climate change, I think of jobs."

    HRC made a blunder about how coal is dead and never coming back 4 years ago. That's basically true but the way she said it turned a lot of working class people. This messaging is so much better. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,038
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Biden is now polling better on the economy too....
    We haven't really discussed Bidens economic plan he released last week. It's fundamentally... Buy American, but don't be a dick about it.  

    He would direct the govt to buy American first,  without interfering in private business nor raising tariffs. 
    I liked his quote about climate change. Something to the effect of "When Trump thinks of Climate change he thinks of the word hoax.; When I think of climate change, I think of jobs."

    HRC made a blunder about how coal is dead and never coming back 4 years ago. That's basically true but the way she said it turned a lot of working class people. This messaging is so much better. 
    Act like Biden is 3 points down? Hell, act like he's 13 points down.

    There are two ways to read both the state and national polling that shows President Trump significantly behind former vice president Joe Biden. You can plausibly argue that the polls are more unreliable on a statewide basis than in 2016, so they’re all irrelevant. Alternatively, you can take the polls at face value and conclude we are heading for a blowout election. There is a case for each.

    Recall in 2016 that the national polls were quite accurate (Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by more than two points), while the state polls, albeit some within the margin of error, gave the impression of a narrow but definitive Clinton win. There was much talk about a quiet base of Trump voters embarrassed to say they support him, but in fact, 80,000 votes going the other way would have made Clinton president. (I know. Don’t dwell.) This time around, there is reason to believe we will have all mail-in or heavily mail-in voting in many states. The access to those ballots and the propensity of various groups to use them might be different. In other words, defining “likely” voters is trickier than you think.

    Moreover, the “Who knows?” interpretation of polls posits that lots can happen in four months, so Trump’s chances might improve. (That last part is beginning to fail the straight-face test, as Trump’s performance continues to deteriorate daily and the pandemic worsens.)

    The alternative theory goes like this: Even if the polls are off, they cannot be that far off. Biden is winning nationally by an average of nearly 9 points (just today Economist-YouGov, a respected, nonpartisan poll, gives him a 9-point lead, and Quinnipiac shows him with a stunning 15-point lead). The big deficit for Trump tracks with his approval rating (one of the best indicators of an incumbent’s election percentage), which has dropped below 40 in several recent polls. Biden is also crushing it in swing states such as Pennsylvania (leading by an eye-popping 13 points in Monmouth’s most recent poll) and is competitive or slightly ahead in states no Democrat has thought competitive in the past decade or so (e.g., Arizona and Texas). Finally, polling for Senate seats shows a tilt toward Democrats even in red states (e.g., Montana and Arizona), giving support to the “blue tsunami” interpretation of the race.

    Many Democratic operatives believe the second theory is right but are frankly spooked by 2016 and afraid to say it out loud. Campaigning 101 also says that you should tell your staff, donors and voters to think you are three points behind. The trauma of 2016 and fear of overconfidence have not dissipated. On the other side, Republicans face their own dilemma. At some point, they will have to decide whether they want to effectively give up on Trump. (Labor Day might be too late given the plethora of early voting, which starts, for example, on Sept. 19 in Michigan.) Donors will decide whether to throw money into a hopeless campaign; candidates for Senate and House will begin the ads arguing to not give Biden a “blank check.”

    The safest answer would be something like this: If the election were held today, it would be a big win for Biden, and while Trump is unlikely to undergo a believable personality transformation and the coronavirus pandemic might possibly — if we are fortunate — be less terrible than now, it is also possible Trump has not hit rock bottom yet. In other words, act like Biden is three points down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/15/how-read-bidens-massive-lead-polls/?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-d-right:homepage/story-ans
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    Biden
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
    mrussel1 said:
    The Juggler said:
    Biden is now polling better on the economy too....
    We haven't really discussed Bidens economic plan he released last week. It's fundamentally... Buy American, but don't be a dick about it.  

    He would direct the govt to buy American first,  without interfering in private business nor raising tariffs. 
    I liked his quote about climate change. Something to the effect of "When Trump thinks of Climate change he thinks of the word hoax.; When I think of climate change, I think of jobs."

    HRC made a blunder about how coal is dead and never coming back 4 years ago. That's basically true but the way she said it turned a lot of working class people. This messaging is so much better. 
    Act like Biden is 3 points down? Hell, act like he's 13 points down.

    There are two ways to read both the state and national polling that shows President Trump significantly behind former vice president Joe Biden. You can plausibly argue that the polls are more unreliable on a statewide basis than in 2016, so they’re all irrelevant. Alternatively, you can take the polls at face value and conclude we are heading for a blowout election. There is a case for each.

    Recall in 2016 that the national polls were quite accurate (Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by more than two points), while the state polls, albeit some within the margin of error, gave the impression of a narrow but definitive Clinton win. There was much talk about a quiet base of Trump voters embarrassed to say they support him, but in fact, 80,000 votes going the other way would have made Clinton president. (I know. Don’t dwell.) This time around, there is reason to believe we will have all mail-in or heavily mail-in voting in many states. The access to those ballots and the propensity of various groups to use them might be different. In other words, defining “likely” voters is trickier than you think.

    Moreover, the “Who knows?” interpretation of polls posits that lots can happen in four months, so Trump’s chances might improve. (That last part is beginning to fail the straight-face test, as Trump’s performance continues to deteriorate daily and the pandemic worsens.)

    The alternative theory goes like this: Even if the polls are off, they cannot be that far off. Biden is winning nationally by an average of nearly 9 points (just today Economist-YouGov, a respected, nonpartisan poll, gives him a 9-point lead, and Quinnipiac shows him with a stunning 15-point lead). The big deficit for Trump tracks with his approval rating (one of the best indicators of an incumbent’s election percentage), which has dropped below 40 in several recent polls. Biden is also crushing it in swing states such as Pennsylvania (leading by an eye-popping 13 points in Monmouth’s most recent poll) and is competitive or slightly ahead in states no Democrat has thought competitive in the past decade or so (e.g., Arizona and Texas). Finally, polling for Senate seats shows a tilt toward Democrats even in red states (e.g., Montana and Arizona), giving support to the “blue tsunami” interpretation of the race.

    Many Democratic operatives believe the second theory is right but are frankly spooked by 2016 and afraid to say it out loud. Campaigning 101 also says that you should tell your staff, donors and voters to think you are three points behind. The trauma of 2016 and fear of overconfidence have not dissipated. On the other side, Republicans face their own dilemma. At some point, they will have to decide whether they want to effectively give up on Trump. (Labor Day might be too late given the plethora of early voting, which starts, for example, on Sept. 19 in Michigan.) Donors will decide whether to throw money into a hopeless campaign; candidates for Senate and House will begin the ads arguing to not give Biden a “blank check.”

    The safest answer would be something like this: If the election were held today, it would be a big win for Biden, and while Trump is unlikely to undergo a believable personality transformation and the coronavirus pandemic might possibly — if we are fortunate — be less terrible than now, it is also possible Trump has not hit rock bottom yet. In other words, act like Biden is three points down.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/15/how-read-bidens-massive-lead-polls/?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-d-right:homepage/story-ans
    I agree let’s not accept that it is a done deal
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    I'm sitting this one out
    Getting back to a conversation from a couple days ago. Not saying this is bad or anything but just a reminder that counting votes in November may take a while.


  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    I'm sitting this one out
    pjl44 said:
    Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project was on Stephen Colbert's Tooning Out The News. Great interview!

    https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0

    And if I'm saying it's good, you know it's good.


    Anyone watch this? Lincoln Project fans? Detractors? Juggler? Static?
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project was on Stephen Colbert's Tooning Out The News. Great interview!

    https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0

    And if I'm saying it's good, you know it's good.


    Anyone watch this? Lincoln Project fans? Detractors? Juggler? Static?
    I will make a note to check it out. 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,342
    edited July 2020
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project was on Stephen Colbert's Tooning Out The News. Great interview!

    https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0

    And if I'm saying it's good, you know it's good.


    Anyone watch this? Lincoln Project fans? Detractors? Juggler? Static?
    I'll refer you to Wilsons episode on Michael Steele's podcast a couple months ago. Itunes, Stitcher and other places.

    Dude doesnt hold back. well worth the listen.
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,038
    How does any incumbent get re-elected, never mind team Trump Treason, with numbers like these?

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  • cincybearcat
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    Biden
    Honestly, I never thought in my wildest dreams I would ever vote for Hillary...but I did.
    I never thought in my wildest dreams that I'd ever vote for Biden...but I will.

    Trump causes some crazy shit yo.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,597
    Biden
    cincybearcat said:
    Honestly, I never thought in my wildest dreams I would ever vote for Hillary...but I did.
    I never thought in my wildest dreams that I'd ever vote for Biden...but I will.

    Trump causes some crazy shit yo.
    The only bit of unifying Trump has ever done. 
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project was on Stephen Colbert's Tooning Out The News. Great interview!

    https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0

    And if I'm saying it's good, you know it's good.


    Anyone watch this? Lincoln Project fans? Detractors? Juggler? Static?
    I will make a note to check it out. 
    You will definitely enjoy it
  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,068
    Biden
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project was on Stephen Colbert's Tooning Out The News. Great interview!

    https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0

    And if I'm saying it's good, you know it's good.


    Anyone watch this? Lincoln Project fans? Detractors? Juggler? Static?
    I will make a note to check it out. 
    You will definitely enjoy it
    Good on so many levels and exactly why I find it crazy that liberals are bending over backwards to give these people pats on the back.... I take it this was a different interview and they added the toons later.   I wish there was a small version with just their “new Lincoln project as”
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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,521
    edited July 2020
    I'm sitting this one out
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    static111 said:
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    Rick Wilson from the Lincoln Project was on Stephen Colbert's Tooning Out The News. Great interview!

    https://youtu.be/tNvuYPpX0C0

    And if I'm saying it's good, you know it's good.


    Anyone watch this? Lincoln Project fans? Detractors? Juggler? Static?
    I will make a note to check it out. 
    You will definitely enjoy it
    Good on so many levels and exactly why I find it crazy that liberals are bending over backwards to give these people pats on the back.... I take it this was a different interview and they added the toons later.   I wish there was a small version with just their “new Lincoln project as”
    I thought the same thing at first but in the second half of the video he's clearly addressing what they're asking and getting agitated. I saw a few outlets report on it:

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/lincoln-project-co-founder-rick-wilson-ambushed-over-bush-support-by-colberts-cartoon-anchors/

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