Black Lives Matter

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

nicknyr15 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

And outdoor sporting events and concerts which can be assigned distanced seating, unlike a protest. But whatever. 

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

I had to cancel my birthday party. Instead I’m protesting turning 40. I invited the same people to the protest. There will be cake for those who help protest my cause.

Happy Birthday! 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

oftenreading said:

PJPOWER said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Although I haven't done comprehensive research, from what I've read, I haven't seen any data showing increase in covid cases linked to the outdoor protests. Most pics I saw showed a lot of people wearing masks and keeping some distance, and in a protest you are not generally in close quarters with any one person for more than a few minutes, making your risk of exposure much less. 

However, have definitely seen data suggesting increase in cases linked to big indoor events (I'm looking at you, Trump). Also increase in cases for some outdoor activities where people did not wear masks and were in very close quarters for lengthy periods of time. 

So there's that, if anyone is actually looking for logic.

Well under that logic, parades and block festivals should be fine then. 

Exactly, as long as people are encouraged to wear masks, the parades and all other outdoor events are no less safe than any protests.  

No, not "all other outdoor events". Certainly many outdoor events are safer, but not the type where people are in one place for a long period of time, particularly in crowds. Thus outdoor concerts (sadly) and sports events are probably going to continue to be a problem.

Parades would be a problem because crowds line the streets and stand in one place for hours.

I asked for data, not an opinion.  In my logic based “opinion”, protests are a great way to spread the virus as well based on logical assumptions they also meander and hang out in large groups for extended periods of time.  Maybe the tear gas and pepper spray is killing the virus instead of making people cough all over each other? Ha

Okay.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/black-lives-matter-protests-didnt-contribute-to-covid19-surge#Why-its-different

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-events/did-events-like-protests-and-bar-reopenings-lead-to-spikes-in-covid-19-cases-idUSKBN249335

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/01/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-protests.html

So the first article seems to suggest that all of the protests were during the daytime, mentioning that the sun and wind helped prevent the spread...Are they suggesting that they were not protesting at night?
The second mentions sanitation and mask wearing...something that people should do and can do at ANY outdoor events.  Just encourage that behavior at all events...

And so far, there is still no actual data showing that outdoor events or concerts are more or less dangerous than protests, but there were some great assumptions in those articles... 

It’s politics, nothing more, nothing less.
You cannot say that “there are no peer reviewed links” related to protests and virus spread as being a reason for them being allowed and then make non-peer reviewed assumptions about ballparks or outdoor venues being unsafe..

You do you. I’ll go with the professionals on this one, including the epidemiologists and other scientists who offered their data and opinions. 

I’ll do the same:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-evaluate-coronavirus-risks-from-black-lives-matter-protests/

I'm also not sure what your point was with this article. No one has claimed there's zero risk with protests, just that it seems to be lower than some other types of outdoor activities, which your expert also notes.