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Did you forget who controlled both houses of congress for 6 of Obama's 8 years and what their number one priority was?pjl44 said:
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
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Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.pjl44 said:
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...
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To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.static111 said:
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.pjl44 said:
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...0 -
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Yes he needs to be removed and Congress needs to act to fill in the holes that he exploited.static111 said:
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.pjl44 said:
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I know our establishment Democrat mayor in Austin just endorsed a pro cop DA even though there is a viable candidate with actual reform policy bonafides that has been endorsed by Warren, Sanders, Castro. On the national level it is clearly more important to pontificate at this moment and allow justice reform to get sidelined while also ignoring the eviction and economic crises that are happening in concert with the oft ignored pandemic.pjl44 said:
To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.static111 said:
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.pjl44 said:
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...Scio me nihil scire
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Bidenstatic111 said:
I know our establishment Democrat mayor in Austin just endorsed a pro cop DA even though there is a viable candidate with actual reform policy bonafides that has been endorsed by Warren, Sanders, Castro. On the national level it is clearly more important to pontificate at this moment and allow justice reform to get sidelined while also ignoring the eviction and economic crises that are happening in concert with the oft ignored pandemic.pjl44 said:
To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.static111 said:
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.pjl44 said:
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...I'm not into "both-sidesing" these days but when it comes to the creation, and lack of reform, of an incredibly flawed and racist criminal justice system, Dems are not even a little bit better than Republicans. Unfortunately, "tough on crime" is an easy sell with people of all political persuasions and the criminal justice system is piled with people looking to "win" and "close cases." I've done some reading about the difficulty of getting wrongful convictions overturned (https://www.amazon.com/Rectify-Restorative-Justice-Wrongful-Conviction/dp/0807029173 read this, it's fascinating) and at the local level, DAs (and police chiefs, etc.) are needed to change the culture and the processes and the public's understanding of why innocent people confess, how awful witness IDs are, and how biased lineups can be. At a national level, Dems need to take leadership on more than just headline-grabbing "crime legislation."All that said, Trump I (in my white upper-middle-class bubble, I admit) view Trump as priority number 1 right now. The longer he and his family and/or disciples are in charge, the more the United States starts to exist in his image. Then you can forget about any of the reforms you want to see.
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Your link loops back to this thread. I’m assuming that was a mistake. I’m always open to reading about the problems of our justice system.OnWis97 said:static111 said:
I know our establishment Democrat mayor in Austin just endorsed a pro cop DA even though there is a viable candidate with actual reform policy bonafides that has been endorsed by Warren, Sanders, Castro. On the national level it is clearly more important to pontificate at this moment and allow justice reform to get sidelined while also ignoring the eviction and economic crises that are happening in concert with the oft ignored pandemic.pjl44 said:
To your point, when is the last time you heard a serious conversation about police reform? Is Congress going to even put anything up for a vote before Labor Day? We're a nation of parakeets and we're on to other shit. Frustrating as hell.static111 said:
Lol. Yeah Obama talked a good game. He was still the best president in my lifetime though. If I wasn’t completely aware of the fact that trump is a dangerous and incomparable pos and Biden was against a run of the mill Republican, I would vote third party. It’s just maddening that it takes a person as despicable as trump to get people to some type of fractured unity. I mean there really are worse problems than trump out there and if everyone were to rally around homelessness or poverty or racism or income inequality the way they have rallied around being against Trump some progress could be made. But it’s much easier to say trump is the worst, get him out of office and then forget about the rest of it I guess.pjl44 said:
Sounds like unity to me. Maybe I was wrong!static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.
Snark aside, that's the gamble someone in your shoes is taking by voting Biden, right? I honestly have no idea how it plays out except that historically the machine always wins. Even though I didn't vote for Obama, after he won I was like "ok, at least we got a person who seems serious about ending these wars and staunchly defending civil liberties." 8 years later...I'm not into "both-sidesing" these days but when it comes to the creation, and lack of reform, of an incredibly flawed and racist criminal justice system, Dems are not even a little bit better than Republicans. Unfortunately, "tough on crime" is an easy sell with people of all political persuasions and the criminal justice system is piled with people looking to "win" and "close cases." I've done some reading about the difficulty of getting wrongful convictions overturned (read this, it's fascinating) and at the local level, DAs (and police chiefs, etc.) are needed to change the culture and the processes and the public's understanding of why innocent people confess, how awful witness IDs are, and how biased lineups can be. At a national level, Dems need to take leadership on more than just headline-grabbing "crime legislation."All that said, Trump I (in my white upper-middle-class bubble, I admit) view Trump as priority number 1 right now. The longer he and his family and/or disciples are in charge, the more the United States starts to exist in his image. Then you can forget about any of the reforms you want to see.Scio me nihil scire
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Assuming Biden wins, there will be a realignment of the parties in the next decade. I think some centrist Democrats could become republicans particularly if the culture wars end. So long as those continue, the Republicans will just shrink. But this may be good for someone like you because the center will probably be to the left of where it is today, and has been for the last 20 years.static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.0 -
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One can only hope.mrussel1 said:
Assuming Biden wins, there will be a realignment of the parties in the next decade. I think some centrist Democrats could become republicans particularly if the culture wars end. So long as those continue, the Republicans will just shrink. But this may be good for someone like you because the center will probably be to the left of where it is today, and has been for the last 20 years.static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.Scio me nihil scire
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I'd rather be a Republican with no culture wars than a Democrat in today's environment. It's just awful.static111 said:
One can only hope.mrussel1 said:
Assuming Biden wins, there will be a realignment of the parties in the next decade. I think some centrist Democrats could become republicans particularly if the culture wars end. So long as those continue, the Republicans will just shrink. But this may be good for someone like you because the center will probably be to the left of where it is today, and has been for the last 20 years.static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.0 -
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I am honestly unsure what you mean by culture wars. Do you mean identity politics? Or the segmenting of the population into two political sports teams that think they are gladiators crushing and owning each other constantly?mrussel1 said:
I'd rather be a Republican with no culture wars than a Democrat in today's environment. It's just awful.static111 said:
One can only hope.mrussel1 said:
Assuming Biden wins, there will be a realignment of the parties in the next decade. I think some centrist Democrats could become republicans particularly if the culture wars end. So long as those continue, the Republicans will just shrink. But this may be good for someone like you because the center will probably be to the left of where it is today, and has been for the last 20 years.static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.Scio me nihil scire
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Abortion, statues, confederates, racial divide, gay rights etc. These are the culture wars.static111 said:
I am honestly unsure what you mean by culture wars. Do you mean identity politics? Or the segmenting of the population into two political sports teams that think they are gladiators crushing and owning each other constantly?mrussel1 said:
I'd rather be a Republican with no culture wars than a Democrat in today's environment. It's just awful.static111 said:
One can only hope.mrussel1 said:
Assuming Biden wins, there will be a realignment of the parties in the next decade. I think some centrist Democrats could become republicans particularly if the culture wars end. So long as those continue, the Republicans will just shrink. But this may be good for someone like you because the center will probably be to the left of where it is today, and has been for the last 20 years.static111 said:
After the dust settles from this election there is going to be a Gordian knot of Republican and Democrat interests intersecting and intertwining that is going to have to be swiftly cut. As soon as Biden wins, so called republicans against trump don’t get to stand around and get patted on the back as saviors of democracy and the Democratic Party. Last time a truly horrible Republican president left the office in disgrace(Nixon), the Democratic Party welcomed moderate republicans with open arms which helped drift the national discourse further right. Please let’s not do that again.pjl44 said:
They're just trying to woo Reagan Republicans by moving them away from Trump. From your perspective, I'd only be concerned if Biden was aligning himself with Reagan in crafting his platform. Otherwise if you can use that sort of message to get people to vote for you without compromising your agenda, that's a win.static111 said:The king of Trickle Down, Union Busting, pension stripping, contra starting, Proxy Latin American wars and really the beginning of the downsloping shit ride that led directly to Trump. Why anyone sees him as a hero is beyond me. Why the party that claims to be aligned with progressive liberal politics would think it is good to be aligned in anyway with that dirt bag is inconceivable.0 -
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I've said this before but Republicans are SO MUCH better at this stuff than Democrats are. This is fantastic. I want to start seeing them on tv though.mickeyrat said:
The fact that some dems have a hard time recognizing that these folks are helping their cause is mind boggling to me. Let these Lincoln Logs do what they do best----get down and dirty and drag Trump down with their negative ads. They're doing Biden's dirty work for him. It's brilliant...and it's working.www.myspace.com0 -
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The main thing is that with all this help from “moderate” “resistance” Republicans some of us are worried that the long game pulls the national conversation Farther to the right leaving the DNC beholden to some Bush Era Rs who definitely are expecting more out of this unholy alliance than unseating trump.The Juggler said:
I've said this before but Republicans are SO MUCH better at this stuff than Democrats are. This is fantastic. I want to start seeing them on tv though.mickeyrat said:
The fact that some dems have a hard time recognizing that these folks are helping their cause is mind boggling to me. Let these Lincoln Logs do what they do best----get down and dirty and drag Trump down with their negative ads. They're doing Biden's dirty work for him. It's brilliant...and it's working.Scio me nihil scire
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We need to take the senate. The Lincoln Project needs to help with that as well.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-task-force-recommendations/index.html
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https://amp-azcentral-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.azcentral.com/amp/5394181002?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15942991702341&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/08/george-conways-lincoln-project-targets-sen-martha-mcsally/5394181002/Halifax2TheMax said:We need to take the senate. The Lincoln Project needs to help with that as well.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/politics/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-task-force-recommendations/index.html
https://thehill-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/506504-lincoln-project-offers-list-of-gop-senators-who-protect-trump?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&amp&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA=#aoh=15942991702341&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/506504-lincoln-project-offers-list-of-gop-senators-who-protect-trump
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A little nervous pushing in the same direction as Bill Kristol, eh?static111 said:
The main thing is that with all this help from “moderate” “resistance” Republicans some of us are worried that the long game pulls the national conversation Farther to the right leaving the DNC beholden to some Bush Era Rs who definitely are expecting more out of this unholy alliance than unseating trump.The Juggler said:
I've said this before but Republicans are SO MUCH better at this stuff than Democrats are. This is fantastic. I want to start seeing them on tv though.mickeyrat said:
The fact that some dems have a hard time recognizing that these folks are helping their cause is mind boggling to me. Let these Lincoln Logs do what they do best----get down and dirty and drag Trump down with their negative ads. They're doing Biden's dirty work for him. It's brilliant...and it's working.0
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