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Bidencincybearcat said:Interesting stories. I will say the comment that stuck out to me was this though:
"Yeah, life is easier for me as a white guy than it would be as a black man or woman. I know that. I don't pretend it's not true. And honestly, I don't think we as whites deserve that."
For me, it's not that whites don't deserve that, it's that everyone does. Those things in your (and my) life that are easier...everyone deserves that.
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BidenHughFreakingDillon said:i can't say i disagree with her. I think the path to reconciliation means we, as the historical oppressor, and by that I mean I am not a conscious oppressor, but an oppressor by culture and lineage, need to listen. we need to go beyond the line to understand what it means to be who we are and who we all strive to be as a collective. am i racist? i don't think i am. but to a black person, i might be because of things i've said or done in the past that either were acceptable because of the time, or present company, or excuse of humour, etc, i absolutely could be. "i have black/brown friends" isn't an acceptable excuse anymore, if it ever even was.
we owe it to them to listen and make sure they know they are heard.
can you imagine being fearful leaving the house every day? maybe not active fear, but back of your mind fear. being a white male, it's something i can't fathom. i have daughters. i worry (only slightly) about them going down the street to get a slurpee. i live in canada. i can't imagine being the father of black daughter, or black sons in the US. i'd be a goddamn wreck.
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I'm sitting this one outmrussel1 said:Who knows, probably not in many public spaces, if any. But they will be all over church grounds. Which of course would be trespassing, along with assorted other crimes. I probably shouldn't get too worked up because this is just a case of Shaun King trying to be as radical as possible. And PJ44 getting my blood pressure up.
I can even get with the Jesus-wasn't-white argument. He was born in Nazareth and, as someone who has been to the area, I would not describe the local population as white. Maybe things were different 2,000 years ago.
Now if one wants to start a movement that entails pulling down statues, portraits, and stained glass in churches across the country, I say gooooooood luck to you sir.
Edit: If you're interested in a thorough takedown of Shaun King, read DeRay Mckesson:
https://medium.com/@deray/on-shaun-king-351bd812318c
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Bidenpjl44 said:I just let out a hearty laugh when I read his post. You would just roll your eyes if it was some rando, but that guy still has an audience despite seemingly a lot of corruption.
I can even get with the Jesus-wasn't-white argument. He was born in Nazareth and, as someone who has been to the area, I would not describe the local population as white. Maybe things were different 2,000 years ago.
Now if one wants to start a movement that entails pulling down statues, portraits, and stained glass in churches across the country, I say gooooooood luck to you sir.
Edit: If you're interested in a thorough takedown of Shaun King, read DeRay Mckesson:
https://medium.com/@deray/on-shaun-king-351bd812318c
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BidenI'm tellin' ya, Biden's going to win Texas. I've been saying it. I think this will be the biggest electoral victory since Reagan over Dukakis....if Biden and whoever's running the show doesn't fuck it up.2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1
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Biden Takes Dominant Lead as Voters Reject Trump on Virus and Race
A New York Times/Siena College poll finds that Joseph R. Biden Jr. is ahead of the president by 14 points, leading among women and nonwhite voters and cutting into his support with white voters.
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BidenLedbetterman10 said:I'm tellin' ya, Biden's going to win Texas. I've been saying it. I think this will be the biggest electoral victory since Reagan over Dukakis....if Biden and whoever's running the show doesn't fuck it up.0
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BidenPlenty of time left. Both sides are just losing it for themselves.* Biden's strategy of letting Trump be himself seems to be working.But I'm really nervous about "defund the police" and all of the vandalism of statues. It doesn't really matter what Biden says. This election is not about Biden. It's about 1) a referendum on Trump and 2) red/blue ideology. Right now a lot of talk and action from protestors (and some Democratic state and local officials) could scare a lot of comfortable white people into voting for Trump. The more it's a referendum on Trump, the better. The more it's about red/blue ideology, the worse.*Well, Biden's not really (though he's not a strong candidate) but "the left" is. And the other thing is that Trump haters seem to already be celebrating. I wish there was some history that would caution them not to do that; like recent history; like within the last four or so years.And I haven't even mentioned the cheating, the keeping one polling place open for every 100,000 people in the city and one for every 10 people in the country, and the stacked courts.I still won't believe Trump loses a second before it's official. And even if he loses, I won't believe he's not going to retain the office until the moment Biden is sworn in.EDIT: And just wait until NFL players start kneeling...Post edited by OnWis97 on1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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BidenLedbetterman10 said:I'm tellin' ya, Biden's going to win Texas. I've been saying it. I think this will be the biggest electoral victory since Reagan over Dukakis....if Biden and whoever's running the show doesn't fuck it up.Scio me nihil scire
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Bidenstatic111 said:If Biden loses they will blame the progressives and the left, believe me the official line will be it was not the fault of the DNC or Biden it will be because the left and progressives didn’t fall in line.0
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BidenOnWis97 said:Plenty of time left. Both sides are just losing it for themselves.* Biden's strategy of letting Trump be himself seems to be working.But I'm really nervous about "defund the police" and all of the vandalism of statues. It doesn't really matter what Biden says. This election is not about Biden. It's about 1) a referendum on Trump and 2) red/blue ideology. Right now a lot of talk and action from protestors (and some Democratic state and local officials) could scare a lot of comfortable white people into voting for Trump. The more it's a referendum on Trump, the better. The more it's about red/blue ideology, the worse.*Well, Biden's not really (though he's not a strong candidate) but "the left" is. And the other thing is that Trump haters seem to already be celebrating. I wish there was some history that would caution them not to do that; like recent history; like within the last four or so years.And I haven't even mentioned the cheating, the keeping one polling place open for every 100,000 people in the city and one for every 10 people in the country, and the stacked courts.I still won't believe Trump loses a second before it's official. And even if he loses, I won't believe he's not going to retain the office until the moment Biden is sworn in.
I wonder how many "comfortable white people" even know how crazy things are getting. My father, a life-long Democrat that faithfully watches MSNBC, knew that they were tearing down confederate statues, but he had no idea that a George Washington statue was torn down and lit on fire, he didn't know that De Blasio is going to take down a Teddy Roosevelt statue in NYC, and the one that seemed to irk my father the most, the fact that they tore down a Ulysses S. Grant statue. All this won't cause him to vote for Trump, but a fellow 72-year-old Democrat might consider it after seeing some of this shit.
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I'm sitting this one outstatic111 said:If Biden loses they will blame the progressives and the left, believe me the official line will be it was not the fault of the DNC or Biden it will be because the left and progressives didn’t fall in line.0
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Bidenmrussel1 said:Well I think we would wait to see the analysis before casting blame. But if a big number of Bernie voters stayed home, then the shoe would fit, at least partially.Scio me nihil scire
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Bidenmrussel1 said:Well I think we would wait to see the analysis before casting blame. But if a big number of Bernie voters stayed home, then the shoe would fit, at least partially.Yeah. There are a lot of people on the "hard left" that, while they have no love for Trump, their true disdain is for the moderate left. I still think some of them hope Trump wins, out off spite. Others know they'd prefer Biden but refuse to vote for him. And some will hold their noses and vote for Biden against Trump.Remember, while we knew really early in the evening that Trump was the winner, it was because of small margins in several states. It doesn't take much "purity" to make a difference. The right is united. The left is fractured.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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I'm sitting this one outmrussel1 said:Well I think we would wait to see the analysis before casting blame. But if a big number of Bernie voters stayed home, then the shoe would fit, at least partially.0
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BidenLedbetterman10 said:I'm tellin' ya, Biden's going to win Texas. I've been saying it. I think this will be the biggest electoral victory since Reagan over Dukakis....if Biden and whoever's running the show doesn't fuck it up.Mondale. He won his home state (Minnesota) and DC. Dukakis lost to Bush the First.I don't know that we'll ever see a victory like that again. We're too divided. The Electoral College prevents the GOP from being blown out like that. And states dominated by big cities make it difficult for the Dems to be blown out like that.
If this is a blowout, the loser won't win just one state. I could see Trump winning about 40 states. I still think he wins.1995 Milwaukee 1998 Alpine, Alpine 2003 Albany, Boston, Boston, Boston 2004 Boston, Boston 2006 Hartford, St. Paul (Petty), St. Paul (Petty) 2011 Alpine, Alpine
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BidenOnWis97 said:Mondale. He won his home state (Minnesota) and DC. Dukakis lost to Bush the First.I don't know that we'll ever see a victory like that again. We're too divided. The Electoral College prevents the GOP from being blown out like that. And states dominated by big cities make it difficult for the Dems to be blown out like that.
If this is a blowout, the loser won't win just one state. I could see Trump winning about 40 states. I still think he wins.
I've long said the Trump was a shoo-in to be reelected. Now, I'm not so sure. Not just because of the polls, but Trump is managing to anger nearly everybody right now. Of course the left hates him. But independents and moderate Republicans have to be down on his Covoid response and/or how he's not doing anything about the vandalism/looting/violence. Tucker Carlson said it best, "If Republicans aren't going to protect you, what's the point of voting for them? Because you like foreign wars? Because you like sucking up to big banks?" If Republicans are perceiving that the "law and order" president can't protect shit, then he's lost them.
The curiosity of who Biden will pick as his running mate is killing me. Because I do think it'll matter here more than in most elections because of Biden's age.
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Bidenstatic111 said:I think Biden is doing a good job moving to the left, I also think I fnm he did a little more there would be no worry about getting the left side of the party to show up. I think the fear is alienating the right side of the party? Which is odd because if he lost by catering to the left I don’t think a lot of people would be lining up to place blame on the right center part of the party if they didn’t show up. It would more than likely still be blaming the left for pulling the conversation too far.
There's going to be a portion of left people who don't vote. They never do, so I'm not expecting them to come out. If they do, then great. I'm talking more about the actual primary voters who end up not voting in the general.0 -
BidenLedbetterman10 said:My bad. I mean to say Bush/Dukakis. Yeah I don't think it can ever be as big as a blowout as Reagan/Mondale, but if Biden can actually flip Texas and Florida, maybe a Bush/Dukakis type of victory is possible.
I've long said the Trump was a shoo-in to be reelected. Now, I'm not so sure. Not just because of the polls, but Trump is managing to anger nearly everybody right now. Of course the left hates him. But independents and moderate Republicans have to be down on his Covoid response and/or how he's not doing anything about the vandalism/looting/violence. Tucker Carlson said it best, "If Republicans aren't going to protect you, what's the point of voting for them? Because you like foreign wars? Because you like sucking up to big banks?" If Republicans are perceiving that the "law and order" president can't protect shit, then he's lost them.
The curiosity of who Biden will pick as his running mate is killing me. Because I do think it'll matter here more than in most elections because of Biden's age.
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BidenOnWis97 said:This and whether Trump will dump Pence. We're dealing with two candidates who are old (and really seem old, too). Aside from being religious, Pence doesn't represent a ton of the movement that elected Trump (non-politician, not part of the establishment, draining the swamp). I agree that the running mates may play a role. Especially Biden, since my guess is that if he wins, he's not going to even run for a second term (if he's still alive) regardless of how things go. Pence? I don't see him ever being president (well, at least not elected president). There's not going to be much thought that a vote for Trump impacts the 2024 election, when the GOP will either nominate a Trump offspring or sort of start out fresh with Dan Crenshaw or someone. A vote for Biden is a vote to move his running mate to the forefront. I have nooooooo idea who it's going to be anymore (aside from female). The more time goes on the more I'd pick my guess out of a hat.
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