Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,146
    Biden
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,060
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,682
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    I think there are still some older citizens who have notions about the devil weed that they're not past.  While it may motivate some progressives and help with some Libertarians (dubious on this one because I think some other issues they oppose are stronger), it may cost Joe some older voters that may cross back to us.  Making weed an issue could play into Trumps law and order narrative.  I would guess that the campaign has done extensive testing on this and feels it's better left unsaid right now 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,682
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.
    Here in Virginia, it was not a front and center issue last fall with our legislative races.  However, as soon as the session convened (after winning the chambers), moves were made.  I tend to think that's the play.  I still think we were too conservative (making possession a ticket, not a misdemeanor and commissioning a study) but it's still far further than our GOP led sessions ever did. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,060
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.
    Here in Virginia, it was not a front and center issue last fall with our legislative races.  However, as soon as the session convened (after winning the chambers), moves were made.  I tend to think that's the play.  I still think we were too conservative (making possession a ticket, not a misdemeanor and commissioning a study) but it's still far further than our GOP led sessions ever did. 
    The states that have some form of legalization should be pushing this in the House and Senate, if only for the revenue generation alone. Let states opt in but allow the companies and banks to conduct business. Regulate it, tax it and decriminalize it. 
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.

    mickeyrat said:
    I enjoy listening to policy positions and about potential VP/Cabinet picks , while touting your record of public service.

    Its like a sport, culminating in voting on Nov 3......
    Reefer Madness... lol.  Biden is not legalizing cannabis?  How much cash has he received from big pharma.  No doubt in my mind that prohibition of weed is rooted in racism??? After all 1st nations peoples were using long before white man committed genocide and stole their land....
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.

    mickeyrat said:
    I enjoy listening to policy positions and about potential VP/Cabinet picks , while touting your record of public service.

    Its like a sport, culminating in voting on Nov 3......
    Reefer Madness... lol.  Biden is not legalizing cannabis?  How much cash has he received from big pharma.  No doubt in my mind that prohibition of weed is rooted in racism??? After all 1st nations peoples were using long before white man committed genocide and stole their land....

    Well, not in North America they weren't. "White man" brought cannabis to the Americas. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,060
    Sleepy Woke Joe’s humanity on display.


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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,640
    Biden
     "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -Martin Luther King, Jr.

    seems Bidens was a closer variant to Kings quote....
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,640
    Biden
    interesting then that Laytons thoughts arent exactly original .....
    from the article.

    However, the sentiments Layton made also channel lines from a speech former prime minister Wilfrid Laurier gave in 1916.

    “Let me tell you that for the solution of these problems you have a safe guide, an unfailing light if you remember that faith is better than doubt and love is better than hate,” said Laurier.


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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    I would guess that people have been using variations on those themes for centuries. Who is going to argue with "love is better than hate"?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,058
    Biden
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,641
    brianlux said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 

    I don’t know I am getting nervous again. With the US poor covid record, shouldn’t Biden have a much better standing in the polls? I am never going to make it thru election night , especially if trump declares victory while many states say there are too many mail in ballots uncounted to declare a winner that night and trump continues to dismantle mail sorters.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,146
    Biden
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.
    I look forward to Trump bragging about how many more people watched the GQP convention than the Dem convention.
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,058
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 

    I don’t know I am getting nervous again. With the US poor covid record, shouldn’t Biden have a much better standing in the polls? I am never going to make it thru election night , especially if trump declares victory while many states say there are too many mail in ballots uncounted to declare a winner that night and trump continues to dismantle mail sorters.

    I know how you feel, Lerxst.  I'll be nervous until Trump is out of office.
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  • darwinstheorydarwinstheory Posts: 6,461
    Biden
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Trump speaking every night will be good for ratings...but not good for Trump.

    LOL, isn't that the truth! 

    I don’t know I am getting nervous again. With the US poor covid record, shouldn’t Biden have a much better standing in the polls? I am never going to make it thru election night , especially if trump declares victory while many states say there are too many mail in ballots uncounted to declare a winner that night and trump continues to dismantle mail sorters.

    I know how you feel, Lerxst.  I'll be nervous until Trump is out of office.
    This! 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    static111 said:
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
    I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,872
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    I'm thinking about the officials who actually certify election results. Are they honest? Are they non-political? Are they political appointees? I don't know who they are. Fingers and toes crossed. No one is actually elected until they announce actual counts.

    ADDED: https://www.archives.gov/files/electoral-college/key-dates.pdf
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  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    Biden
    static111 said:
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
    I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol
    I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.
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  • KatKat Posts: 4,872
    Biden
    More election information:

    NBC News
    Trump's off base about what happens if there's no clear election winner. Here's the deal.
    The president says Pelosi could become president by the end of the year. That's not quite right.
    Aug. 24, 2020, 4:00 AM CDT By Pete Williams

    President Donald Trump told followers last week that the speaker of the House might succeed him in office if the election result isn't known by December.

    "There's a theory that, if you don't have it by the end of the year, crazy Nancy Pelosi would become president," he said.

    Pelosi is in the presidential line of succession, but Trump's got the timing wrong and such an outcome is highly unlikely in any event.

    Most presidential elections go so smoothly that little attention is paid to how they actually work (with the most recent exception of 2000) — and to the fact that only 538 people vote directly for president and vice president. They're the presidential electors making up what's known as the Electoral College.

    The number of electors each state gets is equal to its seats in the U.S. House plus two for its U.S. senators. California has the most, with 55. Seven of the most sparsely populated states and the District of Columbia have three each.

    Before the election, each state political party chooses a slate of people to act as presidential electors if its candidate wins. So when voters go to the polls, they're actually choosing between different slates of electors. Some states even print their names on the ballot along with the candidates.

    In 48 states and Washington, D.C., the popular vote determines which slate of electors is chosen, winner take all. In Maine and Nebraska, some electors are chosen in individual congressional districts, some by the statewide vote. A total of 33 states require electors to vote for the winner of the popular vote, and the U.S. Supreme Court in July upheld state laws that prohibit what are known as "faithless electors," who refuse to vote for the popular vote winner at the Electoral College.

    The electors meet in December to cast their votes, which are tabulated before a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, the day of actual presidential vote count.

    The Constitution gives Congress authority to set the date for the general election, which is the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November — Nov. 3 this year. Congress has also determined that the Electoral College meets the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December. That will be Dec. 14 this year — 41 days after the general election.

    Federal law also provides that if a state conclusively chooses its slate of electors up to six days before the Electoral College meets, Congress must consider those votes valid on the counting day in January. This is known as the "safe harbor" deadline. The Supreme Court said Florida's desire to meet it was a key reason the court stopped the vote counting there in 2000, making George W. Bush the winner.

    If a state wishes to take advantage of that provision, it has only 35 days after the election to decide who won.

    In most recent elections, the results were clear within several hours after the polls closed. But it's bound to be different this time, with estimates that over half of the votes will be cast by mail. In many states, envelopes containing those ballots won't even be opened until the polls close. And before they're counted, they must be checked to verify that they were validly cast.

    "If you can't start the process early, then you are making it virtually certain, with the number of ballots states are going to have, that they're not going to have the results for a week or so," said Rick Pildes, an election law expert at New York University law school. "That problem drives me crazy."

    continued at
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-s-base-about-what-happens-if-there-s-no-n1237783
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
    I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol
    I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.
    Well I would say there is no silent majority and there never was one as Trump has literally never had the support of the majority of Americans, even when winning the election. If anything they are a vocal minority. 

    Also would not worry about the polling too much. It is real steady and, compared to 2016, we also have Trump's general approval numbers to compare it with.

    Playing it safe is something I might be concerned with though. I was hoping to hear Biden say, last  night, that they would start traveling around a bit more. As much as staying home has worked over the last four months, I still think they're gonna have to get out there more after Labor Day. Trump is doing that in a smaller capacity than his stupid mega rallies. Hopefully Biden can do something similar, outside with masks and social distancing. 

    My biggest worry is still Trump stealing the election through voter suppression/fucking with the post office, and covid getting worse which causes more people to stay home. 

    I'm also anticipating some bullshit bombshell (Durham or something else) coming out before the debates in hopes of throwing Biden off.....though I will say Biden has been pretty sharp lately. He looked good in that interview last night. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Posts: 36,993
    edited August 2020
    Biden
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    static111 said:
    I still think that if he pledges to remove marijuana from the schedule 1 drug list and expunge all small time marijuana offenses he will win in a landslide and cement the support of the progressives that are still having second thoughts about the effectiveness of the 2 party system
    I agree!  I’ll vote for whoever decides to legalize MJ federally.  Talk about laws rooted in racism.
    The law is rooted in industrialization.  Hemp was a threat to the timber industry. 
    Probably, but it's evolution, enforcement, and punishment have been rooted in racism.
    Yes,  it has disproportionately affected minorities,  but racism was not behind the original intent. 
    Semantics, anyway.  If Biden approached the mic and said "I'm going to do everything I can to make marijuana legal" I would go from thinking he's going to lose to thinking he's going to win.  Libertarians who don't love Trump but think he's less evil, people disinterested in voting, third party voters who think "they're both the same"... some of those people would be swayed.  And it's not going to take that many to push Biden over the top in the states that matter.

    I don't really think there are many people left who think MJ should be illegal.  And I think essentially nobody would make that their "big issue."  Most people who are hard-core about that probably don't vote Democrat very often anyway.

    Do it, Joe!
    Politically it’s a losing issue. Better to have dems send him a bill to sign or after being elected stating he’ll take a serious look at the issue, talk to the states that legalized it and see what the science says about harm, etc. Coming right out and saying it should be legalized or decriminalized allows the opposition to paint him as a “pusher man, sending our kids into a life of drug dependency.” Plus, stoners don’t get off the couch and don’t know when Election Day is.
      :| 
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  • Biden
    i just saw joe came out and said that he wants to give more money to police to make them change that way.

    last time obama did that they fucking militarized and bought tanks.

    biden is actually trying to lose the BLM vote. fucking moron. gonna snatch defeat out of the hands of victory.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,310
    Biden
    i just saw joe came out and said that he wants to give more money to police to make them change that way.

    last time obama did that they fucking militarized and bought tanks.

    biden is actually trying to lose the BLM vote. fucking moron. gonna snatch defeat out of the hands of victory.
    But he referred to police needing psychologists and psychiatrists....not tanks
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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,641
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
    I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol
    I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.
    Well I would say there is no silent majority and there never was one as Trump has literally never had the support of the majority of Americans, even when winning the election. If anything they are a vocal minority. 

    Also would not worry about the polling too much. It is real steady and, compared to 2016, we also have Trump's general approval numbers to compare it with.

    Playing it safe is something I might be concerned with though. I was hoping to hear Biden say, last  night, that they would start traveling around a bit more. As much as staying home has worked over the last four months, I still think they're gonna have to get out there more after Labor Day. Trump is doing that in a smaller capacity than his stupid mega rallies. Hopefully Biden can do something similar, outside with masks and social distancing. 

    My biggest worry is still Trump stealing the election through voter suppression/fucking with the post office, and covid getting worse which causes more people to stay home. 

    I'm also anticipating some bullshit bombshell (Durham or something else) coming out before the debates in hopes of throwing Biden off.....though I will say Biden has been pretty sharp lately. He looked good in that interview last night. 

    I think you hit all the points, trump will try all of the above to get elected -everything and anything. The post office is very concerning. I was hoping some big democratic money would start a real GOTV superpac, now that early voting is here. Not the usually silliness of knocking on doors, but actually helping voters get their ballots to drop off points so we don’t need to rely on the mail. Democrats on TV news love to go on air and cry about what trump is doing but rarely do they use their vast political donations in new and creative ways. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Biden
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    So what happens if Trump actually wins. Fairly wins, not wins through a cheat or refuses to concede defeat?  Obviously fascism, etc. but how will that reshape politics if we don’t end up with a full one party Russian style system?
    I'd prefer not to think about that at the moment. lol
    I was just having some real anxiety over the weekend thinking about that.  I think the DNC is currently playing it too safe.  I’m worried that the polling could be off because people could be lying to the pollsters etc.  Also I’m feeling the same general unease that I felt in 2016 in regards to how close to the vest some people are playing their support of Trump.  I think there is something to be said about that silent majority, I don’t think it’s just a bunch of Hicks and Qs, I think there are a lot of folks that like conservative law and order, free market mythology that are just keeping quiet.
    Well I would say there is no silent majority and there never was one as Trump has literally never had the support of the majority of Americans, even when winning the election. If anything they are a vocal minority. 

    Also would not worry about the polling too much. It is real steady and, compared to 2016, we also have Trump's general approval numbers to compare it with.

    Playing it safe is something I might be concerned with though. I was hoping to hear Biden say, last  night, that they would start traveling around a bit more. As much as staying home has worked over the last four months, I still think they're gonna have to get out there more after Labor Day. Trump is doing that in a smaller capacity than his stupid mega rallies. Hopefully Biden can do something similar, outside with masks and social distancing. 

    My biggest worry is still Trump stealing the election through voter suppression/fucking with the post office, and covid getting worse which causes more people to stay home. 

    I'm also anticipating some bullshit bombshell (Durham or something else) coming out before the debates in hopes of throwing Biden off.....though I will say Biden has been pretty sharp lately. He looked good in that interview last night. 

    I think you hit all the points, trump will try all of the above to get elected -everything and anything. The post office is very concerning. I was hoping some big democratic money would start a real GOTV superpac, now that early voting is here. Not the usually silliness of knocking on doors, but actually helping voters get their ballots to drop off points so we don’t need to rely on the mail. Democrats on TV news love to go on air and cry about what trump is doing but rarely do they use their vast political donations in new and creative ways. 
    Priorities USA is about to launch a big ad campaign urging people to vote early-

    https://priorities.org/press/priorities-usa-action-and-senate-majority-pac-launch-new-multimillion-dollar-ads-program-urging-voters-to-request-mail-in-ballots/
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  • DE4173DE4173 Posts: 759
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