Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

cincybearcat said:

static111 said:

Icincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

Not surprisingly, like calling it defunding police, these far left folks have gone too far with the monuments and are shooting themselves in their collective foot again. 

Morons. 

They're coming for Jesus next. 

They simply cannot her out of their own way. They cannot focus. 

Who is they

People who want trump to be defeated.

i can see now what it looked like I was saying. I wasn’t. Good question and thanks for letting me clarify. 

If trump gets re-elected because people want to defend statues of a white jesus then that doesn’t really exactly say a lot about Biden as a candidate or America as a whole.

C'mon... you know that's not how people who sit on the fence politically think.  The common mindset is that they are going WAY too far by pulling them down, plus it's iconoclastic.  That's what the Taliban and the Soviets do.  The question would be..where does it stop?  Confederates...yes.  Makes sense.  Then they see Grant..then SRV..then Jesus.  You have to see the political danger in that.  If the left, broadly supports that, we're done.  

Yep. An older voter looks at this shit wondering “Where are the adults?” Hell, I’m in my late 30’s and I’m thinking that. And it’s not just the vandalism. It’s all getting pretty fucking Orwellian. Tearing down statues, removing films like Gone With The Wind from streaming services, attempts to silence or shame dissenting voices, and most of all, powerful tech companies controlling the dissemination of information.

Wait, they pulled Gone With the Wind? When did that happen? Sheesh.

mickeyrat said:

The Juggler said:

Now these morons are tearing down the Andrew Jackson statue. WHAT THE FUCK. ENOUGH ALREADY. IDIOTS!

well he was a notorius racist, especially as president

brianlux said:

tbergs said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

static111 said:

cincybearcat said:

static111 said:

Icincybearcat said:

pjl44 said:

The Juggler said:

Not surprisingly, like calling it defunding police, these far left folks have gone too far with the monuments and are shooting themselves in their collective foot again. 

Morons. 

They're coming for Jesus next. 

They simply cannot her out of their own way. They cannot focus. 

Who is they

People who want trump to be defeated.

i can see now what it looked like I was saying. I wasn’t. Good question and thanks for letting me clarify. 

If trump gets re-elected because people want to defend statues of a white jesus then that doesn’t really exactly say a lot about Biden as a candidate or America as a whole.

C'mon... you know that's not how people who sit on the fence politically think.  The common mindset is that they are going WAY too far by pulling them down, plus it's iconoclastic.  That's what the Taliban and the Soviets do.  The question would be..where does it stop?  Confederates...yes.  Makes sense.  Then they see Grant..then SRV..then Jesus.  You have to see the political danger in that.  If the left, broadly supports that, we're done.  

Yep. An older voter looks at this shit wondering “Where are the adults?” Hell, I’m in my late 30’s and I’m thinking that. And it’s not just the vandalism. It’s all getting pretty fucking Orwellian. Tearing down statues, removing films like Gone With The Wind from streaming services, attempts to silence or shame dissenting voices, and most of all, powerful tech companies controlling the dissemination of information.

Wait, they pulled Gone With the Wind? When did that happen? Sheesh.

I've heard that a number of time but you can still get GWTW through Netflix- on both DVD and Blu-ray.  Pretty ridiculous when movie start being banned.  But then, I don't believe in censorship of any kind and I'm definitely not a racist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZfiSjTHVqA&t=45s

brianlux said:

I find the whole discussion about whites feeling the need to say "I am racist" (or the very taboo saying that, "I am not a racist") interesting.  I honestly don't get it.  I guess it has something to do with white guilt. 

I have lived in around people of many different cultures.  Right now I live in a very predominantly white neighborhood.  To be honest, from a cultural standpoint, I find that rather dull and uninteresting.  On the other end of the spectrum, for a year, I lived in one of two high rise apartments buildings in a predominantly black neighborhood.  My building was something like 5% white.  That was a lot more interesting.  Especially the time the black dude on the third floor bought a few records from me for about a buck apiece and then handed me a handful of drugs.  I left the drugs on the counter in my apartment and while I was away the next day, a guy who was crashing on my living room floor took them all at once and said he had a great trip.  Good for him.  But anyway, that year was pretty much like any other back then.  Better than some, not as good as others.

To me, people are basically great, OK, or awful.  I've dealt with all three types in all colors.  I've been assaulted twice.  Once by a black guy and once by a white guy.  They were both assholes.  Assholes come in all kinds of colors.  Fuck them all.  But I honestly have to say, the percentage of white assholes I've run into seems to have been higher than the percentage of black assholes.  Maybe that's because I got bullied a lot by other white guys in school.  The black dudes at my school never gave me shit.  Go figure. 

Years ago, I needed some transportation so a friend of mine loaned me his white Vespa scooter and told me I had to wear his helmet.  It was also white.  So was I.   I drove through a black neighborhood and on one block, this huge black dude on a bicycle saw me and started riding toward me.  I couldn't get the damn scooter to down-shift and I was creeping at about 3 MPH in high gear and the guy kept getting closer and closer and he had a look that could kill.  That guy was an asshole.  Fuck that guy.  Somehow, I got away.  But then later that same year a white guy with a similar look of hate tried to run over me on Geary Street.  That guy was also an asshole.  Fuck that guy too.

See what I mean?  Great people, OK people, assholes.  Black, white, red, yellow, brown, tan.  Love 'em or fuck 'em. 

Yeah, life is easier for me as a white guy than it would be as a black man or woman.  I know that.  I don't pretend it's not true.  And honestly, I don't think we as whites deserve that.  But I didn't make myself white and I don't see myself as superior because of my color and I'm not going to label myself a racist.  Fuck that. 

static111 said:

brianlux said:

I find the whole discussion about whites feeling the need to say "I am racist" (or the very taboo saying that, "I am not a racist") interesting.  I honestly don't get it.  I guess it has something to do with white guilt. 

I have lived in around people of many different cultures.  Right now I live in a very predominantly white neighborhood.  To be honest, from a cultural standpoint, I find that rather dull and uninteresting.  On the other end of the spectrum, for a year, I lived in one of two high rise apartments buildings in a predominantly black neighborhood.  My building was something like 5% white.  That was a lot more interesting.  Especially the time the black dude on the third floor bought a few records from me for about a buck apiece and then handed me a handful of drugs.  I left the drugs on the counter in my apartment and while I was away the next day, a guy who was crashing on my living room floor took them all at once and said he had a great trip.  Good for him.  But anyway, that year was pretty much like any other back then.  Better than some, not as good as others.

To me, people are basically great, OK, or awful.  I've dealt with all three types in all colors.  I've been assaulted twice.  Once by a black guy and once by a white guy.  They were both assholes.  Assholes come in all kinds of colors.  Fuck them all.  But I honestly have to say, the percentage of white assholes I've run into seems to have been higher than the percentage of black assholes.  Maybe that's because I got bullied a lot by other white guys in school.  The black dudes at my school never gave me shit.  Go figure. 

Years ago, I needed some transportation so a friend of mine loaned me his white Vespa scooter and told me I had to wear his helmet.  It was also white.  So was I.   I drove through a black neighborhood and on one block, this huge black dude on a bicycle saw me and started riding toward me.  I couldn't get the damn scooter to down-shift and I was creeping at about 3 MPH in high gear and the guy kept getting closer and closer and he had a look that could kill.  That guy was an asshole.  Fuck that guy.  Somehow, I got away.  But then later that same year a white guy with a similar look of hate tried to run over me on Geary Street.  That guy was also an asshole.  Fuck that guy too.

See what I mean?  Great people, OK people, assholes.  Black, white, red, yellow, brown, tan.  Love 'em or fuck 'em. 

Yeah, life is easier for me as a white guy than it would be as a black man or woman.  I know that.  I don't pretend it's not true.  And honestly, I don't think we as whites deserve that.  But I didn't make myself white and I don't see myself as superior because of my color and I'm not going to label myself a racist.  Fuck that. 

I would recommend Diangelo’s book or me and white supremacy by Layla saad.  Two good eye openers that although we are not actively racist, we are supporting a white supremacist system and reinforcing white supremacist power structure norms and attitudes.  It’s a deep topic and just like voting for Biden the path to a better understanding is better reached without shaming.  I highly doubt anyone here is a overt Nazi white supremacist, but I’m sure if any of us white people dig deep we will find all sorts of activities and behaviors that we took as normal or harmless or were even unconscious of as being backed by some passive racism.