wonder when we will here about rescheduled tour dates 2021?

I just got my Jason Isbell show rescheduled from nov 6th 2020 to nov 5th 2021. 

Tim Simmons said:

Red Mosqito said:

I don't know about you, but if we can pack 19k into convention center for a Presidential rally, why can't we have concerts again?? 

I mean, we shouldn't be packing 19k in a convention center for a presidential rally. 

Agreed, but I’m more than willing to let a bunch of Trump supporters gather so they can be our test case scenario. 😁

RobZ said:

One thing is for certain, GA as we once knew it is history....

Certain? You mean no more festivals ever again? Europe is going to seats for their floor tickets?  I am going to say not certain at all. 

Zod said:

JackD. said:

Zod said:

I would assume, if coronavirus remains a thing, that a fairly sizable portion of the population wouldn't go to shows (myself included).  Scheduling them now, creates the potential for having to postpone again.   Right now bands seem to have 3 options:

1) Cancel

2) Set a date next year and hope for the best

3) Indefinite postponement until you get a clearer picture of what's going to happen

Even if people were willing to go to the shows, they'res not guarantee it's going to be legal to hold those shows.  Big concerts are going to be the last that thing that comes back.  I don't think bands are going to want to do a fraciton of their your because the shows are illegal in so many states.

That's my thoughts.   While bands like rage reschedule to a year from now.. many other bands are in no rush to reschedule until it looks like Covid19 is in the rearview.

I don't think any particular method is right or wrong, but I doubt I'd personally go to an arena/stadium sized concert while the beast is loose (and I haven't caught it yet).

My only point is: If PJ aims for 3), they should tell us. Totally understandable, but atm everyone wait for an announcement soon. And there is no refund option. If you go route 3) you should offer that.

I agree on the first part.  PJ doesn't tend to like to put out news if the news is that they have no news.     I did think there was a refund option.  My buddy got his money back for his mediocre oak1 tickets.  I've even got a refund option showing up for tickets I bought via f2f.    Are there shows right now that you can't get a refund?

Yes. All European headline shows have no refund option yet. Festivals have individual procedures.

I like the optimism of the original post, but we're looking at 2022 at the soonest. They haven't even gotten together to stream anything with a new album out. Do you really think they are going to tour with Covid19 numbers going up in many areas and the future is not clear.  

myoung321 said:

I like the optimism of the original post, but we're looking at 2022 at the soonest. They haven't even gotten together to stream anything with a new album out. Do you really think they are going to tour with Covid19 numbers going up in many areas and the future is not clear.  

While it is possible there won’t be shows before 2022, I would respectfully disagree with the statement of 2022 “at the soonest”.  

Zod said:

RobZ said:

One thing is for certain, GA as we once knew it is history....

I'm trying to write a really good response but I'm finding I lack the words.

I don't feel like your statement is accurate.   I have a couple of reasons:

1)  PJ was the first band to pull the plug (also ahead of prosports) due to covid19.  They saw it as a serious issue and shut down the tour.   Is PJ the kind of band that's going to go out and tour while the pandemic is still a thing?    I tend to think they'll tour when it's over.  The might announce new dates, but if we're still pandemic'ing when those dates happen I could see another postponement.   If those shows occur when the pandemic is over, then it's going to be moot, because the virus will be done spreading.

2) Are seats that much safer than GA.   These were arena shows (at least in North America).  The arena pits are a lot smaller than the stadium pits.  Sure you're close to other people, but no one's moshing.  I feel it's a misnomer that seats are safe.  You've got strangers to the left and right of you.  You've got them in front and behind you.  You've probably got at least 6 strangers in a 6ft radius of you.    Not to mention all the people you pass trying to get food, beer, merch, or find  your seat.  You're not social distancing being in a seat... lol.

3) Economics.   I expect that a lot of people are scared of the pandemic.   If major events (concerts, sports, etc..) start up before the pandemic is over, I expect many people will be nervous to go.   I expect it could cause a run on refunds, or for new events, low ticket sales.  The economics of the situation may prevent big events from happening until people are comfortable going (which might not be until after a vaccine).

4) If they did opt. to tour before pandemic is over, and did shut down GA for the tour, would it be permanent?  I would suspect it only remain shut down until it's not an issue anymore.  It would most likely start back up once the pandemic is over.

I feel like people are struggling to see a post pandemic world, but the question is, are you going to go to live a show, whether it be GA or Seated, in a venue as big as an Arena or Stadium, while the pandemic is still going on (and you haven't gotten the virus).

I have a few thoughts on your post so I'll give my answers in order as you provided the questions. 

1. I believe the band won't announce new shows until they're fairly certain when those shows will be able to happen. My gut is telling me we probably won't hear about new dates until we're closer to end of the year. What I'm still scratching my head about is why Ohana hasn't made a cancelled/postponed announcement yet, especially when you consider it's Eddie's festival. 

2. Seats aren't safer, but if they choose to eliminate GA seating for the time being, then you could theoretically space the chairs out in order to keep up with social distancing guidelines to make it safer for those who attend. 

3. I'd be all in for them playing in smaller scale productions at alternate venues if that would allow them the ability to tour sooner. One thought that crossed my mind was why not just make the shift to outdoor amphitheater's or state parks for the time being? This is the lone reason why I'm still hanging onto that glimmer of hope that Ohana goes on as planned. And I have faith in this band being able to find alternate venues or places to play at, I mean these were the guys who did an entire tour without Ticketbastards help. 

4. I'm not too sure about that, and here's why. Even we end up discovering a vaccine for this virus, it doesn't mean that all of a sudden the worries and fears go away. Hell, who's to say that everyone will run out to get the vaccine if and when it becomes available anyway? Which leads to my point, do you think the band will be fine with fans continuing the practice of camping out (sometimes multiple days) just so they can get as close to the stage as possible? Again, my gut is telling me that the band will exercise caution which means the days of GA (at least how it is today) will be long gone. Mark my word, I believe we'll see a statement from the band at some point that will effectively say due to the concerns of their fans health & safety, all future shows will be reserved seating. 

And to answer your last question on whether I would go to a live show while still in a pandemic, I already did that when I went to see Tool in Portland right before everything went on lockdown and didn't catch the virus. So if PJ wants to play a gig this year, they can count me there! 

RM

kst said:

I could see GA temporarily going away if they did distancing shows.  Such as, 15% occupancy in an NFL stadium - not that I think they would do that.  I hope Ohana happens but I think it won’t.

Once the pandemic is over (or over enough) I’d anticipate GA to return just as soon as packed reserved seated sections can return.  The difference is very marginal.

One modification I’d like to see, pandemic or not, is the elimination of that lining up for 24+ hours thing.  Another band - maybe Bruce? - has a wristband system where on the afternoon of the show, if you have a GA ticket, you pick up a numbered wristband at your convenience, and at something like 6pm they draw to see which number is considered number one and line up accordingly.  Example, if there are 100 wristbands and you have number 50, if they draw 41 you’re 10th, and if they draw 51 you’re 100th.  There’s still crowding during the show, but no camping out. Virus or no virus that would be so much more civilized and give people who have better things to do than camp out all day a shot at being up front sometimes.

yes, that's Bruce GA procedure over last several tours

joseph33 said:

Proof of testing negative from a health physician for GA would be a good start. 

Hell to the NO on that idea!