I think it'll be a while before the shows. I have my 10C tickets for San Diego and LA shows still but that's a lot of money in flux + Ohana tickets. Thinking I'll just request a refund and take my chances when they reschedule. Ideally, it'd be great if they just cancel and reschedule at later dates maybe with a priority for those who had tickets first - could they do that? Honestly, I'd rather be safe than sorry. And would gladly love to see a live jam session with them with donations to the Vitalogy Foundation.
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seen them lots o'times... fav show was probably Verona '06 and Forum shows in LA ..
I am also thinking of taking the refund for PHX or else placing them on the page where fan club members can purchase from me. We were taking last night and were like.....we will be 57yo in 2022. We have seen pretty much all the bands we have wanted during their prime. Will we really want to go to the shows we have scheduled? I really, at the moment, am not missing it. Sure I would love to hit the occasional show and all. But we tix to Foos, RATM, and PJ in flux and just think that it probably isn't worth it to us as things stand. Giving it time to steep a little before really deciding.
I am also thinking of taking the refund for PHX or else placing them on the page where fan club members can purchase from me. We were taking last night and were like.....we will be 57yo in 2022. We have seen pretty much all the bands we have wanted during their prime. Will we really want to go to the shows we have scheduled? I really, at the moment, am not missing it. Sure I would love to hit the occasional show and all. But we tix to Foos, RATM, and PJ in flux and just think that it probably isn't worth it to us as things stand. Giving it time to steep a little before really deciding.
Up to you but if it is not a money issue I would hold onto them until you knew 100% what you wanted to do. You will be able to sell them for sure when the time comes down the road when you know for sure.
Would you go to a gathering with thousands of people if there is no vaccine ?
Put a single slug in the chamber, spin it, put the barrel to your temple, pull the trigger.
There would need to be a risk mitigation technique. Not necessarily a vaccine. A combination of a treatment being available, a testing, tracing and isolating system, good numbers in the region, outdoor venue, masks or distancing, temperature checks, etc. No one method alone provides full protection but a combination of methods could reduce the risk to an acceptable level.
Even a vaccine, once available, will not be perfect. Not everyone will get the vaccine, not everyone who gets it will respond perfectly to it, the effectiveness may wear out over time and people may need to get it again, etc.
Life is going to be a series of risk/reward decisions for a while.
There is is nothing wrong with someone deciding to stay home for the next 2-3 years and continue with normal things in 2022-23. Others may decide two years is a lot of living to give up and that calculated risks are worth taking from time to time.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
So I bought my tickets direct from the venue for Vienna. They havent even emailed to say its postponed. I agree that the best course of action is not to announce new dates until a clear picture of what things are going to be like exists. I would like the bands management to come out and say this is whats happening. I also think that as the events are no longer taking place on the original date we should all be entitled to get a refund by said date if we wish. As it is,unless the show I was booked for happens within a small window next year I cant jump on a plane and go and whether or not I can still afford to will also be questionable. But never mind all this... where's those physical fanclub 7s we are waiting for. Lol
I am also thinking of taking the refund for PHX or else placing them on the page where fan club members can purchase from me. We were taking last night and were like.....we will be 57yo in 2022. We have seen pretty much all the bands we have wanted during their prime. Will we really want to go to the shows we have scheduled? I really, at the moment, am not missing it. Sure I would love to hit the occasional show and all. But we tix to Foos, RATM, and PJ in flux and just think that it probably isn't worth it to us as things stand. Giving it time to steep a little before really deciding.
Up to you but if it is not a money issue I would hold onto them until you knew 100% what you wanted to do. You will be able to sell them for sure when the time comes down the road when you know for sure.
That is what we are doing for a bit. I honestly just want to do weekend shows and if it is not still on a weekend I will throw them back. Getting a little lazier as I would rather spin vinyl at home than fight the traffic most times.
As I noted in the thread about this memo, the memo seems to refer to festivals only, not regular tours.
Concluding paragraph;
We are fully aware of the significance of these changes, and we did not make these changes without serious consideration. We appreciate you – and all artists – understanding the need for us to make these changes in order to allow the festival business to continue not only for the artists and the producers, but also for the fans.
who knows but CDC has approved large gatherings with face masks. Let's get to it already. The only reasonable reasoning for announcing nothing is they are holding out for 2020 end of year. Otherwise they should follow the lead of others, cancel, and start over if they can't make an announcement soon.
I am not in favour of cancellations. It was way too difficult to get tickets to lose them involuntarily. North American shows were given the refund option for those who wanted. The European shows should be given that too but they should not cancel outright. Or if they do, 2020 ticket holders should be given first right of refusal on repurchasing their seats before any other on sales in 2021 or 2022.
I had not heard that CDC news. Is there a link?
Second that not in favor of cancellations and support those who want to cancel on there own. It makes it fair for everyone. For me, it was hard to get the money and win tickets like everyone and look forward to the new date of the show. Kind of the one thing that is positive nowadays with so much negativity and bad things happing.
One thing is for certain, GA as we once knew it is history....
That’s been my thought as well. So the question now is, can an arena provide seating for all those who have GA tickets at a given show? And if they can’t, how does the 10club handle that fiasco?
They could open a second date for those in GA, fill up the floor with seats, and use the rest of the stadium seats. My guess here would be either membership number or a lottery perhaps. I'm sure the band has better ideas, but this came to mind.
Hopefully things improve enough that we can have the shows in some semblance of what we were originally expecting them to look like. Who knows though.....
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Tuesday would have been the first date of the EU tour and I really can‘t believe that they let the original dates pass without a word on rescheduled dates or at least a refund option. The casual concert goer, that has a ticket but hasn‘t heard of refund options before the original date might be slightly irritated. At least I know some friends in Frankfurt who are.
One thing is for certain, GA as we once knew it is history....
That’s been my thought as well. So the question now is, can an arena provide seating for all those who have GA tickets at a given show? And if they can’t, how does the 10club handle that fiasco?
Not sure I follow this theory. It doesnt seem like the concerts are going to happen at all until large indoor gatherings are deemed safe. Whether theyre packing people in with reserved seats, or having general admission, I doubt it makes much of a difference. I understand people are crammed tighter in ga, but I really dont think its worth getting rid of. Think about all the shows and venues that never have seats. I wouldnt expect the pj shows to happen until the virus is completely under control.
Tuesday would have been the first date of the EU tour and I really can‘t believe that they let the original dates pass without a word on rescheduled dates or at least a refund option. The casual concert goer, that has a ticket but hasn‘t heard of refund options before the original date might be slightly irritated. At least I know some friends in Frankfurt who are.
Tuesday would have been the first date of the EU tour and I really can‘t believe that they let the original dates pass without a word on rescheduled dates or at least a refund option. The casual concert goer, that has a ticket but hasn‘t heard of refund options before the original date might be slightly irritated. At least I know some friends in Frankfurt who are.
New Ohana dates - Sept 24-26, 2021
Yeah. Well. Tomorrow was tour start. But I don‘t have my hopes up anymore.
So the last concert scheduled is the first rebooked. Announce some plans for the spring tour already.
I was thinking the same thing. I guess the further into the future a new date is, the more confident they are to announce it. It also might be a factor that when it comes to Ohana, they are better able to get their ducks in a row, given that it is Ed’s festival.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
So the last concert scheduled is the first rebooked. Announce some plans for the spring tour already.
I think that was because it was a festival, so all the festival did, was cancelled it's 2020 show, and promising to resume at it's 2021 show which they were probably going to do anyways.
Given what's going on with Coronavirus, spring may or may be be optimistic for a return to concerts.
I can see why PJ is waiting it out. If they planned spring dates, the situation isn't good, then they postpone again (And it sounds like LiveNation is trying to put the burden of cancellations on the bands).
I'm totally contradicting myself, but if it starts look real bad for concerts for 2021, maybe it is time to cancel, take a year or two off, regroup, and start over.
If LiveNation is making artists pay for it, they must think that 2021 has a solid chance at still being a shit show for concerts.
My guess is they have a couple of different scenarios worked out and are waiting for the virus to resolve before announcing, to avoid having to postpone a second time.
Makes sense. No rush other than people would want refunds. Otherwise, for Europe 2021 they probably will just wait until typical December timeframe.
they already offered refunds.
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My guess is they have a couple of different scenarios worked out and are waiting for the virus to resolve before announcing, to avoid having to postpone a second time.
Makes sense. No rush other than people would want refunds. Otherwise, for Europe 2021 they probably will just wait until typical December timeframe.
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seen them lots o'times... fav show was probably Verona '06 and Forum shows in LA ..
Lots Lots Lots of shows.....
2018 - Seattle 2/Missoula
Would you go to a gathering with thousands of people if there is no vaccine ?
Put a single slug in the chamber, spin it, put the barrel to your temple, pull the trigger.
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Even a vaccine, once available, will not be perfect. Not everyone will get the vaccine, not everyone who gets it will respond perfectly to it, the effectiveness may wear out over time and people may need to get it again, etc.
Life is going to be a series of risk/reward decisions for a while.
There is is nothing wrong with someone deciding to stay home for the next 2-3 years and continue with normal things in 2022-23. Others may decide two years is a lot of living to give up and that calculated risks are worth taking from time to time.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Thank you for the morning laugh i needed it.
Lots Lots Lots of shows.....
2018 - Seattle 2/Missoula
8/29/00 - Tweeter Center............5/24/06 - Banknorth Garden............5/17/10 - Banknorth Garden.............08/05/16 - Fenway Park
7/11/03 - Tweeter Center............5/25/06 - Banknorth Garden............6/16/11 - Wang Theatre (EV)............08/07/16 - Fenway Park
9/28/04 - Fleet Center................6/30/08 - Tweeter Center
Concluding paragraph;
We are fully aware of the significance of these changes, and we did not make these changes without serious consideration. We appreciate you – and all artists – understanding the need for us to make these changes in order to allow the festival business to continue not only for the artists and the producers, but also for the fans.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Dublin 2010
Madrid 2018
Werchter 2022
London 1 2022
London 2 2022
Krakow 2022
Tuesday would have been the first date of the EU tour and I really can‘t believe that they let the original dates pass without a word on rescheduled dates or at least a refund option. The casual concert goer, that has a ticket but hasn‘t heard of refund options before the original date might be slightly irritated. At least I know some friends in Frankfurt who are.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
they already offered refunds.
1996: Ft Lauderdale
1998: Birmingham
2000: Charlotte, Tampa
2003: Tampa, Atlanta, Phoenix
2004: Kissimmee
2008: West Palm Beach, Bonnaroo, Columbia
2010: MSG2
2012: Music Midtown
2014: Memphis
2018: Wrigley 1, Fenway 1
2022: Nashville
2023: Ft. Worth II