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Why do you “find it hard to believe that the cops blitzed on them for no reasons”?tempo_n_groove said:
Cop hit the camera, not their face from what I can see?PJNB said:
First why are they clearing the area of peaceful protesters? Second they were standing still not being pushed back for quite some time in that video. The cops then pushed forward and attacked them and one camerperson was punched in the face just standing there. Are you really saying that ya its not right what the cops are doing but you should listen to them anyway? Where should they have gone? How far back is good enough? Why was where they were standing not good enough?tempo_n_groove said:
If you are a camera person and the police move people back you'd better move.PJNB said:
Was it right, No but you can't just stay somewhere when they are clearing an area.
I wasn't there but I find it hard to believe that the cops blitzed on them for no reason. Something always ignites something.
I would prefer the cops to put down the riot gear. It sends a better message towards the crowd but I don't know abut any of this anymore. I am starting to believe that agitators are placed in the crowds to start shit and make people look bad.
I just don't know anymore.
If we have learned nothing else from the events of the past ten days, it should be that clearly the cops do blitz on people for “no reason”, and not that infrequently. Of course, there are reasons, but they relate to power and corruption and racism and issues like that.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
100%. They claim that they gave 3 warnings to clear the area but I've seen multiple reporters who were there say they didn't hear anything.Kat said:Regarding the Park clearing in DC...wouldn't normal people have announced with a bullhorn that this area needs to be cleared for a few hours...thank you for your cooperation. Why didn't the authorities act normal? ...act with authority in a respectful way? It's too much to ask because the clearing wasn't the point...it was the DOMINATION and the abuse of citizens.0 -
the authorities do not respect the people. this is why the people have grown beyond the command of the authorities. this is why there will never be peace without the authorities spilling the blood of the people.Kat said:Regarding the Park clearing in DC...wouldn't normal people have announced with a bullhorn that this area needs to be cleared for a few hours...thank you for your cooperation. Why didn't the authorities act normal? ...act with authority in a respectful way? It's too much to ask because the clearing wasn't the point...it was the DOMINATION and the abuse of citizens."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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You're right in the sense that not all cops should be painted with the same brush... and I'll also agree with what another person on here posted about the fact that policing is not easy, it's an extremely stressful gig, and they don't get paid enough.cincybearcat said:It’s all just very sad. I hate the lumping all cops together though that is done too often. And I’d really like to see how some around here would handle themselves in these situations.
Clearly some are out of control and shouldn’t be cops anymore. But it’s not all or even most. I wish the protests had remained protests.
That said.. there is something that has bothered me for a long time about policing and that is the "Blue Brotherhood" and it is what in my opinion caused George Floyd to lose his life. It's systemic here in Canada as well. When "Black Lives Matter" began as a movement, all of a sudden another movement began... "Blue Lives Matter." That to me is shameful of the police to look at themselves as their own people, their own team. It creates an atmosphere of "Us vs. Them" and I have always believed that police should understand fundamentally that they NEED to be unbiased. That they serve a public, paid by a public. Yes, you deal with a lot of crap, but that's what you signed up for. You better be prepared and be able to handle your emotions.
When I see what's happening, people are asking for justice. And yes the officer was charged but this is happening too much. Police see themselves as their own family. And they protect one another, like a family, like a team. They shouldn't. I have no idea how that's going to change, but seeing cops walk with protesters is a great start. The same cops I see posting on social media all the time about Pro police issues and "look how great we are" NEVER post an opinion about police abusing power or using excessive force for fear of that Brotherhood turning on them. They have a long way to go. Trump isn't helping matters. Shameful.Toronto 2000
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Kat said:Regarding the Park clearing in DC...wouldn't normal people have announced with a bullhorn that this area needs to be cleared for a few hours...thank you for your cooperation. Why didn't the authorities act normal? ...act with authority in a respectful way? It's too much to ask because the clearing wasn't the point...it was the DOMINATION and the abuse of citizens.Probably seen already but in case not:
'I am outraged': DC Episcopal bishop condemns Trump church visit
The bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington sharply criticized President Donald Trump on Monday for staging a visit to the historic St. John's Church across from the White House, where he held up a Bible after authorities had cleared the area of peaceful protesters.
The Rev. Mariann Budde, whose diocese St. John's belongs to, said she was “outraged” by Trump's visit and noted that he didn’t pray while stopping by the church, a landmark known for its regular visits from sitting presidents since the early 19th century.
"The president also did not “acknowledge the agony and sacred worth of people of color in our nation who rightfully demand an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country," Budde said in a statement posted to the diocese's Facebook account after Trump's televised visit.
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Got to be up wind at a time like this!Ledbetterman10 said:
As funny as that meme reads we love you guys as our closest neighbour and it pains me and others I know to see this all go down like it is.0 -
I did, thank you and I'm very surprised I haven't seen it on the news. Admittedly, I haven't watched a lot and maybe I missed it but I think it's important information. I'm becoming very unhappy with what I'm seeing and NOT seeing on the broadcast media. I learn more on Twitter but it's important to be suspicious and decide what looks real...video helps a lot and then I can judge for myself.brianlux said:Kat said:Regarding the Park clearing in DC...wouldn't normal people have announced with a bullhorn that this area needs to be cleared for a few hours...thank you for your cooperation. Why didn't the authorities act normal? ...act with authority in a respectful way? It's too much to ask because the clearing wasn't the point...it was the DOMINATION and the abuse of citizens.Probably seen already but in case not:'I am outraged': DC Episcopal bishop condemns Trump church visit
The bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington sharply criticized President Donald Trump on Monday for staging a visit to the historic St. John's Church across from the White House, where he held up a Bible after authorities had cleared the area of peaceful protesters.
The Rev. Mariann Budde, whose diocese St. John's belongs to, said she was “outraged” by Trump's visit and noted that he didn’t pray while stopping by the church, a landmark known for its regular visits from sitting presidents since the early 19th century.
"The president also did not “acknowledge the agony and sacred worth of people of color in our nation who rightfully demand an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country," Budde said in a statement posted to the diocese's Facebook account after Trump's televised visit.
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I wasn’t criticizing the FBI guy. I made a comment that was how he intended it to happen. Maybe he did it that way to prove a point, I don’t know. All I said was he controlled the situation and it happened the way he wanted it too. Don’t know why you jump to all these conclusions.rgambs said:
They are full of shit and you know it, they don't have any evidence that this man committed a crime, and they detain him because he doesn't kiss their ass enough. People have rights, whether you like it or not. This man did not violate any law and his physical sovereignty was violated for no reason, whatsoever. Again, that your reaction is to criticize HIM and not THEM speaks volumes about what you think about Constitutional rights.mace1229 said:
So you agree with me then criticize me for the same comment? Ok.rgambs said:
Yeah, he wanted it to go down that way. He wanted it to go down that way because those cops are full of shit and they don't give a fuck about his rights. Once again, police have free reign to be antagonistic, but we citizens are supposed to just play along like good little subjects. What you choose to comment on when you see this is telling...mace1229 said:
Honestly, seemed like the FBI guy wanted itntongondpwn that way. Sounded like the cops were acting off a complaint and didn’t lose their cool or anything and at any time he could have showed his ID, instead he refuses and when they reach for it he says “wait until they see this.”brianlux said:
How you know the cops are full of shit? Maybe they are, maybe not, I don’t know what this video. Not really much to go on in that video unless you just assume all cops are full of shit.0 -
I heard her speak to this on broadcast media. Either CNN or MSNBC.Kat said:
I did, thank you and I'm very surprised I haven't seen it on the news. Admittedly, I haven't watched a lot and maybe I missed it but I think it's important information. I'm becoming very unhappy with what I'm seeing and NOT seeing on the broadcast media. I learn more on Twitter but it's important to be suspicious and decide what looks real...video helps a lot and then I can judge for myself.brianlux said:Kat said:Regarding the Park clearing in DC...wouldn't normal people have announced with a bullhorn that this area needs to be cleared for a few hours...thank you for your cooperation. Why didn't the authorities act normal? ...act with authority in a respectful way? It's too much to ask because the clearing wasn't the point...it was the DOMINATION and the abuse of citizens.Probably seen already but in case not:'I am outraged': DC Episcopal bishop condemns Trump church visit
The bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington sharply criticized President Donald Trump on Monday for staging a visit to the historic St. John's Church across from the White House, where he held up a Bible after authorities had cleared the area of peaceful protesters.
The Rev. Mariann Budde, whose diocese St. John's belongs to, said she was “outraged” by Trump's visit and noted that he didn’t pray while stopping by the church, a landmark known for its regular visits from sitting presidents since the early 19th century.
"The president also did not “acknowledge the agony and sacred worth of people of color in our nation who rightfully demand an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country," Budde said in a statement posted to the diocese's Facebook account after Trump's televised visit.
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brianlux said:I haven't been able to verify this, but someone told me they had read that in cities where the cops are in support of the protesters, there is little or no violence. Anyone else here heard that/ have a link with related info?Police Chief joined in silent march here last night. Instead of looting and vandalizing they read the names of those who have been a victim of police brutality. Seems like a better tactic to me.0
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mace1229 said:
I wasn’t criticizing the FBI guy. I made a comment that was how he intended it to happen. Maybe he did it that way to prove a point, I don’t know. All I said was he controlled the situation and it happened the way he wanted it too. Don’t know why you jump to all these conclusions.rgambs said:
They are full of shit and you know it, they don't have any evidence that this man committed a crime, and they detain him because he doesn't kiss their ass enough. People have rights, whether you like it or not. This man did not violate any law and his physical sovereignty was violated for no reason, whatsoever. Again, that your reaction is to criticize HIM and not THEM speaks volumes about what you think about Constitutional rights.mace1229 said:
So you agree with me then criticize me for the same comment? Ok.rgambs said:
Yeah, he wanted it to go down that way. He wanted it to go down that way because those cops are full of shit and they don't give a fuck about his rights. Once again, police have free reign to be antagonistic, but we citizens are supposed to just play along like good little subjects. What you choose to comment on when you see this is telling...mace1229 said:
Honestly, seemed like the FBI guy wanted itntongondpwn that way. Sounded like the cops were acting off a complaint and didn’t lose their cool or anything and at any time he could have showed his ID, instead he refuses and when they reach for it he says “wait until they see this.”brianlux said:
How you know the cops are full of shit? Maybe they are, maybe not, I don’t know what this video. Not really much to go on in that video unless you just assume all cops are full of shit.My point was I don’t know why this was shared as an example of police brutality without the whole story. 2 cops walk up to a guy, ask for his ID because he matches the description of a call/report. He refuses, but is light hearted and joking. The police remain calm. This goes on for a minute or 2. They put him in cuffs for about 10 seconds while they check his ID then let him go. I don’t understand what is police abuse about that, unless you believe there was no suspect and no description, but there’s nothing to suggest that.
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Thanks, Cincy. I'm glad to hear that.cincybearcat said:
I heard her speak to this on broadcast media. Either CNN or MSNBC.Kat said:
I did, thank you and I'm very surprised I haven't seen it on the news. Admittedly, I haven't watched a lot and maybe I missed it but I think it's important information. I'm becoming very unhappy with what I'm seeing and NOT seeing on the broadcast media. I learn more on Twitter but it's important to be suspicious and decide what looks real...video helps a lot and then I can judge for myself.brianlux said:Kat said:Regarding the Park clearing in DC...wouldn't normal people have announced with a bullhorn that this area needs to be cleared for a few hours...thank you for your cooperation. Why didn't the authorities act normal? ...act with authority in a respectful way? It's too much to ask because the clearing wasn't the point...it was the DOMINATION and the abuse of citizens.Probably seen already but in case not:'I am outraged': DC Episcopal bishop condemns Trump church visit
The bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington sharply criticized President Donald Trump on Monday for staging a visit to the historic St. John's Church across from the White House, where he held up a Bible after authorities had cleared the area of peaceful protesters.
The Rev. Mariann Budde, whose diocese St. John's belongs to, said she was “outraged” by Trump's visit and noted that he didn’t pray while stopping by the church, a landmark known for its regular visits from sitting presidents since the early 19th century.
"The president also did not “acknowledge the agony and sacred worth of people of color in our nation who rightfully demand an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country," Budde said in a statement posted to the diocese's Facebook account after Trump's televised visit.
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Not that I don't agree with you about the coverage.Kat said:
Thanks, Cincy. I'm glad to hear that.cincybearcat said:
I heard her speak to this on broadcast media. Either CNN or MSNBC.Kat said:
I did, thank you and I'm very surprised I haven't seen it on the news. Admittedly, I haven't watched a lot and maybe I missed it but I think it's important information. I'm becoming very unhappy with what I'm seeing and NOT seeing on the broadcast media. I learn more on Twitter but it's important to be suspicious and decide what looks real...video helps a lot and then I can judge for myself.brianlux said:Kat said:Regarding the Park clearing in DC...wouldn't normal people have announced with a bullhorn that this area needs to be cleared for a few hours...thank you for your cooperation. Why didn't the authorities act normal? ...act with authority in a respectful way? It's too much to ask because the clearing wasn't the point...it was the DOMINATION and the abuse of citizens.Probably seen already but in case not:'I am outraged': DC Episcopal bishop condemns Trump church visit
The bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington sharply criticized President Donald Trump on Monday for staging a visit to the historic St. John's Church across from the White House, where he held up a Bible after authorities had cleared the area of peaceful protesters.
The Rev. Mariann Budde, whose diocese St. John's belongs to, said she was “outraged” by Trump's visit and noted that he didn’t pray while stopping by the church, a landmark known for its regular visits from sitting presidents since the early 19th century.
"The president also did not “acknowledge the agony and sacred worth of people of color in our nation who rightfully demand an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country," Budde said in a statement posted to the diocese's Facebook account after Trump's televised visit.
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JW269453 said:brianlux said:I haven't been able to verify this, but someone told me they had read that in cities where the cops are in support of the protesters, there is little or no violence. Anyone else here heard that/ have a link with related info?Police Chief joined in silent march here last night. Instead of looting and vandalizing they read the names of those who have been a victim of police brutality. Seems like a better tactic to me.
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More people need to wear masks but it is a step in the right direction!JW269453 said:brianlux said:I haven't been able to verify this, but someone told me they had read that in cities where the cops are in support of the protesters, there is little or no violence. Anyone else here heard that/ have a link with related info?Police Chief joined in silent march here last night. Instead of looting and vandalizing they read the names of those who have been a victim of police brutality. Seems like a better tactic to me.0 -
I've started to see people wonder aloud (and wondered myself) why NYC isn't diverting more police away from peaceful protests and toward rampant looting. A couple interesting things:
1. Andrew Cuomo had some strong words about the situation
2. I trust Danny Gold's reporting, but standard caveats on anonymous quotes apply
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Anyone that is a cop, family of them or conservative is ripping Cuomo right now. There is NOTHING that you can say to them that would convince them otherwise.pjl44 said:I've started to see people wonder aloud (and wondered myself) why NYC isn't diverting more police away from peaceful protests and toward rampant looting. A couple interesting things:
1. Andrew Cuomo had some strong words about the situation
2. I trust Danny Gold's reporting, but standard caveats on anonymous quotes apply0 -
First two, probably. Conservatives? Way way fewer than usual.tempo_n_groove said:
Anyone that is a cop, family of them or conservative is ripping Cuomo right now. There is NOTHING that you can say to them that would convince them otherwise.pjl44 said:I've started to see people wonder aloud (and wondered myself) why NYC isn't diverting more police away from peaceful protests and toward rampant looting. A couple interesting things:
1. Andrew Cuomo had some strong words about the situation
2. I trust Danny Gold's reporting, but standard caveats on anonymous quotes apply0
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