Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
That original police report about Floyd's death is so incredibly damning... no wonder it's being ignored as much as it is.
But people are saying the same thing about the Ohio incident and it looks like the police will be justified. Turns out the initial statement about Floyd was lacking details. It should have been worded differently for sure, but it was never going to indicate an officer murdered a suspect in custody from the onset.
No, but had that young woman not been filming with her cell phone and had all those eyewitnesses not borne witness, he would have gotten away with it and that police statement would be the "official" record. Think about that for a moment (I know you have). That's NK, putin on the ritz or Saddam type shit. In 'Murica.
I understand what you're saying. Put that incident inside a building or in the middle of the night on the side of the road and I agree, he never gets convicted. Body cam footage is a good start, but it will never be able to show all aspects of the encounter. Being able to see Chauvin's full actions (or lack there of) in association to the impact on Floyd is what makes the case for the charges he was convicted on. Sadly, the rookie officers don't want to break chain of command because it would be their word against a senior officer. Fucking military style officer in charge bullshit that has its pros, but also a lot of cons.
He was a minor, who illegally obtained a gun and carried it across state lines to cosplay as what? A murderous cop? And he wasn't just looking for trouble, he was answering a call.
Let's stop glossing over his criminality and lets also not pretend that there wasn't a ton of other likeminded red neck psychos there chomping at the bit to murder some BLM protesters.
Kyle Rittenhouse accomplished what he set out to, and to this day he's celebrated as a hero on the right - THAT is as big a problem as any in this country right now.
Pre-emptive self defense. Whatever claims he has to self-defense, I find the idea of people inserting themselves in situations like this and looking for an excuse to be very concerning. I hope it's not a going to be a trend (probably not; it's high risk).
Too late.
Poster children for massive white privilege douchebags.
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't think the default is to find a way to defend the cops. i think the default, at least for me, is to find the truth. in this instance, it looks to me like it was justified. most of them aren't. but this one was.
you have a right to defend yourself but with reasonable force. it doesn't appear to me (at this point) that any of them had any weapons. it was unreasonable to just get all stabby.
especially when the cops arrived on scene.
I like the way you phrased that. But you also think the majority of police shootings aren't justified? We only hear of about 1 or 2% of police shootings partially because there was no question. The vast majority of police shootings are armed, and most are white. I would agree minorities are at a higher percentage than their population. But most shootings dont make the news and we don't know the victims because they were justified, or justified white males and pretty much zero chance you hear about it. Stats differ drastically, but of the 1000 police shootings a year you usually see between 10-50 were unarmed. I just cant agree with a statement that most police shootings aren't justified. That doesn't mean they all are, or that they cant do better.
sorry, I meant the ones that are reported in the media/social media
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
he said there would be celebrations in the form of riots. you claimed some here would be rooting for that to happen.
two completely different things, and in my eyes, absurd.
Let Mace speak for himself. He's capable. I'm really interested in why he'd posit such a thing and make the references he did. What do you think he meant by the post? Thoughts? How did you take it?
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
he said there would be celebrations in the form of riots. you claimed some here would be rooting for that to happen.
two completely different things, and in my eyes, absurd.
Let Mace speak for himself. He's capable. I'm really interested in why he'd posit such a thing and make the references he did. What do you think he meant by the post? Thoughts? How did you take it?
i know he is. i'll speak my mind as i see fit, thanks.
kind of odd how you tell me to let mace speak for himself, then ask me for my opinion right after. an opinion i already gave.
i took it at face value. that he thought there might be rioting no matter what. i disagreed with him at the time. but i don't think he was "hoping" for such a thing, as I already clearly stated.
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.
I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
he said there would be celebrations in the form of riots. you claimed some here would be rooting for that to happen.
two completely different things, and in my eyes, absurd.
Let Mace speak for himself. He's capable. I'm really interested in why he'd posit such a thing and make the references he did. What do you think he meant by the post? Thoughts? How did you take it?
i know he is. i'll speak my mind as i see fit, thanks.
kind of odd how you tell me to let mace speak for himself, then ask me for my opinion right after. an opinion i already gave.
i took it at face value. that he thought there might be rioting no matter what. i disagreed with him at the time. but i don't think he was "hoping" for such a thing, as I already clearly stated.
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.
I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over. I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well. I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.
I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over. I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well. I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.
I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over. I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well. I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
Does everyone have a motive every time they post? I was just sharing a thought. Almost none of the violence and destruction this summer made sense to me. They burned down the Wendy's that Rayshard Brooks was found passed out at, as if it was Wendy's fault. They targeted the store Michael Brown stole from. People looting the Nike store in Long beach over the George Floyd protest made no sense to me. I already said twice that those just looting were not supporting a cause, but just had an excuse to steal. I would not have been surprised if those same people with that same mentality used yesterday as another excuse to steal again. I'm glad I was wrong. I would say that riots over Laker victories are just as stupid and pointless as people looting a Nike store in the name of justice. There's no logic in that. Its an excuser to be destructive and steal. Those looting are just a small percentage of protestors and I don't lump them all together. So I wouldn't compare a peaceful protest to a Laker riot. But Those who took to looting were just taking advantage of the situation to benefit themselves because they knew there was no accountability. They are as stupid as those the example I gave. I'm not sure why you are offended over me calling out people who riot over a basketball game. There was no hidden meaning in it, I lived there and it was an example I knew.
Montreal Stanley Cup riot of 1986. Apparently the only acceptable example of a “joyous riot” one can use. Because we all know Canadians don’t give a shit if you take a poke at us.
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Knee jerk keyboard warriors are justified in the quick assumption one day and back to Monday morning quarterbacks the next. The issue is the social media craze and people's obsession with getting their commentary out there ASAP no matter how ill informed. But yet, throw them in the spotlight for something and they expect due process and for people to hear them out. So backwards.
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.
I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over. I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well. I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
Does everyone have a motive every time they post? I was just sharing a thought. Almost none of the violence and destruction this summer made sense to me. They burned down the Wendy's that Rayshard Brooks was found passed out at, as if it was Wendy's fault. They targeted the store Michael Brown stole from. People looting the Nike store in Long beach over the George Floyd protest made no sense to me. I already said twice that those just looting were not supporting a cause, but just had an excuse to steal. I would not have been surprised if those same people with that same mentality used yesterday as another excuse to steal again. I'm glad I was wrong. I would say that riots over Laker victories are just as stupid and pointless as people looting a Nike store in the name of justice. There's no logic in that. Its an excuser to be destructive and steal. Those looting are just a small percentage of protestors and I don't lump them all together. So I wouldn't compare a peaceful protest to a Laker riot. But Those who took to looting were just taking advantage of the situation to benefit themselves because they knew there was no accountability. They are as stupid as those the example I gave. I'm not sure why you are offended over me calling out people who riot over a basketball game. There was no hidden meaning in it, I lived there and it was an example I knew.
Sharing thoughts provokes responses. Does that bother you?
I think manslaughter, but anything less than murder 2 will still result in riots.
And a murder conviction there will be celebration in the form of riots, like when the Lakers win
Quoted in reference to my post in the Cancelled thread. Page 178, Police Abuse thread.
I haven't denied saying it. Even admitted i did and said I was wrong. So what is the point you're trying to make?
I’d like to understand why you chose that city, that sport and that time to posit such a thought. You only said “I’m glad it didn’t happen “ after it was referenced.
I never said you “denied” saying it so I’m not sure why you feel the need to state such.
Well providing proof that I said it infers that you thought I denied it. I'm not going ot go out of my way to prove something there isn't any doubt over. I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well. I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
No, someone else claimed "they don't read everything on AMT," hence why I quoted it. I know you're capable of answering for yourself hence why I asked Hugh to allow you to do so but I was also interested in his, Hugh's, thoughts on your post. God forbid. To the bold, not sure what you mean there. I saw your post, it was referenced, you said "I'm glad it didn't happen," but that didn't explain your motive behind the post.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
Does everyone have a motive every time they post? I was just sharing a thought. Almost none of the violence and destruction this summer made sense to me. They burned down the Wendy's that Rayshard Brooks was found passed out at, as if it was Wendy's fault. They targeted the store Michael Brown stole from. People looting the Nike store in Long beach over the George Floyd protest made no sense to me. I already said twice that those just looting were not supporting a cause, but just had an excuse to steal. I would not have been surprised if those same people with that same mentality used yesterday as another excuse to steal again. I'm glad I was wrong. I would say that riots over Laker victories are just as stupid and pointless as people looting a Nike store in the name of justice. There's no logic in that. Its an excuser to be destructive and steal. Those looting are just a small percentage of protestors and I don't lump them all together. So I wouldn't compare a peaceful protest to a Laker riot. But Those who took to looting were just taking advantage of the situation to benefit themselves because they knew there was no accountability. They are as stupid as those the example I gave. I'm not sure why you are offended over me calling out people who riot over a basketball game. There was no hidden meaning in it, I lived there and it was an example I knew.
Sharing thoughts provokes responses. Does that bother you?
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth. I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.
When those who truly know speak we should all listen. We can ask questions but in doing so we can’t deny the answers.
I’m not saying anyone is doing that here Just saying listen in order to better understand.
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
That's sad for sure. It's almost like we need two cops in every car...one black and one white to respond accordingly.
My first reaction was "holy shit she had a knife and was flailing around pretty violently" but you do have to step back and wonder how things would have been different (maybe not at all?) if she were white.
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Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
I can't imagine any cop of any colour would wait for any person of any colour to stab someone else to death before taking them down.
I can't imagine having that conversation with my child. Heart breaking.
Yeah it sucks and it is even worse for her and her biological dad’s side of the family. I can’t even begin to imagine what all of this is like for them, all I can do is listen and understand. I didn’t mean to really share my personal life too much, but sometimes it’s just too damn much.
Yeah it sucks and it is even worse for her and her biological dad’s side of the family. I can’t even begin to imagine what all of this is like for them, all I can do is listen and understand. I didn’t mean to really share my personal life too much, but sometimes it’s just too damn much.
personal perspectives are often what help people understand each other.
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth. I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.
When those who truly know speak we should all listen. We can ask questions but in doing so we can’t deny the answers.
I’m not saying anyone is doing that here Just saying listen in order to better understand.
Don’t listen to me, for the love of god listen to your Black friends, family and co-workers.
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth. I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.
When those who truly know speak we should all listen. We can ask questions but in doing so we can’t deny the answers.
I’m not saying anyone is doing that here Just saying listen in order to better understand.
Don’t listen to me, for the love of god listen to your Black friends, family and co-workers.
I didn’t mean anything derogatory....but I still think you know better than most of us Sooo sorry if I offended you, it was definitely not my intention
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
I want to ask a question. If you don't have a tv then where is your daughter getting this from? Why would she think the cops are going to kill her father?
A childs imagination and thoughts can get away from them, sure, but this thought came from somewhere.
I am truly curious on how she came to think that and it is awful that you had to have the conversation with her.
Girl tries knifing another girl, girl gets kicked while down by a guy.
The guy is lucky he wasn't shot.
I don't know about this one...
According to some reports the girl called the police because four other girls were coming after her and she grabbed a knife to defend herself against four others. Also she is a kid.
Kids can't kill, hurt or maim?
A different girl gets kicked, not with the knife. I can only go by what I see. Hindsight is out the window.
Should the girl have been shot? She was trying to knife someone else. Does the cop let her do that and then be called out for NOT doing something?
It's a lose lose here.
What would you have the cop do?
Assess the situation like the other three in scene that didn’t come out guns blazing...
And while you're assessing a girl is getting stabbed to death.
Going back to stand your ground. If this is a gang of girls that are threatening her, does she not have a right to self defense? It’s crazy that the default is always finding a way to justify cops when often times the official story is something like this... how any of you have faith in the police at this point is beyond me.
I don't know how much self defense it is. All the details haven't been released, but where did she get the knife? Does she illegally carry? Or what probably happened is she goes inside, gets a knife, and comes back out for another confrontation. At that point, its not self defense, the police have a right to intervene. I'm sure you'd be happy for the police if it was your daughter than was about 1/10 of a second away from being stabbed.
I’m not gonna go Matt Gaetz here, but my step daughter is half black, and likely the police would never give her the benefit of the doubt. I’ve been co parenting her since she was three. Do I need to start teaching her it isn’t ok to stick up for herself or call the cops if she is in trouble? Because that’s what it’s starting to look like. Unlike some armchair quarterbacks here this shit affects my house and family. Last summer she asked my wife and I in tears if police would kill her biological dad. Imagine having that conversation with an 8 year old. She isn’t getting this from the media I assure you, we don’t own a TV. Part of parenting has become having these conversations on the regular and it is exhausting.
This isn’t some woke exercise based on a white old lady giving a corporate race training for some of us. It affects our families and close friends and loved ones.
If you aren’t affected by any of this and it’s just a philosophical issue, the chances are you dont have black or minority friends and family and don’t belong to any of those groups.
So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
Those like static are the people we need to listen to, speak with, and trust. I can’t possibly comment on his truth because it’s not my truth. I did not face this challenge when raising my children so I cannot dismiss this, this is his families reality.
When those who truly know speak we should all listen. We can ask questions but in doing so we can’t deny the answers.
I’m not saying anyone is doing that here Just saying listen in order to better understand.
Don’t listen to me, for the love of god listen to your Black friends, family and co-workers.
I didn’t mean anything derogatory....but I still think you know better than most of us Sooo sorry if I offended you, it was definitely not my intention
I’m not offended at all. Just underlining the fact that it is way more important to listen to the Black loved ones in your life than some white dude on the PJ message boards. I got your meaning and appreciate it, but the real understanding comes from talking to the people that are the most affected by the racism problem in our country and policing. It usually means having very hard and awkward conversations, but helps come to a greater understanding.
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Cheers,
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two completely different things, and in my eyes, absurd.
Cheers,
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So as a father to a Black girl I am gonna say the cops were in no way justified here.
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kind of odd how you tell me to let mace speak for himself, then ask me for my opinion right after. an opinion i already gave.
i took it at face value. that he thought there might be rioting no matter what. i disagreed with him at the time. but i don't think he was "hoping" for such a thing, as I already clearly stated.
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I am capable of answering for myself. I would think since you're capable of looking for old quotes in other threads that youd be capable of reading my answer I already provided there as well.
I said I don't believe those who were just straight up looting had any desire to promote a cause, but wanted to take advantage of the situation for free stuff. I thought those same people might take advantage yesterday to do the same again, I was wrong.
I picked the Lakers and LA because I lived in LA until I was 30, and more than one time when they one the championship riots broke out, cars were flipped over and burned. It was an example I was familiar with.
Do you equate riots over Laker victories (two a decade apart) with riots over white police officers killing unarmed black men (too many to count in the same decade)? Are those two instances the same because they're "riots?" Can you give an example of a conviction or justice served and the aggrieved/supporters on the side of the conviction breaking out in riots?
I'm still struggling with your post and the analogy you made and what motivated you to posit such a thing. But that's just me.
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Almost none of the violence and destruction this summer made sense to me. They burned down the Wendy's that Rayshard Brooks was found passed out at, as if it was Wendy's fault. They targeted the store Michael Brown stole from. People looting the Nike store in Long beach over the George Floyd protest made no sense to me. I already said twice that those just looting were not supporting a cause, but just had an excuse to steal. I would not have been surprised if those same people with that same mentality used yesterday as another excuse to steal again. I'm glad I was wrong.
I would say that riots over Laker victories are just as stupid and pointless as people looting a Nike store in the name of justice. There's no logic in that. Its an excuser to be destructive and steal.
Those looting are just a small percentage of protestors and I don't lump them all together. So I wouldn't compare a peaceful protest to a Laker riot. But Those who took to looting were just taking advantage of the situation to benefit themselves because they knew there was no accountability. They are as stupid as those the example I gave. I'm not sure why you are offended over me calling out people who riot over a basketball game. There was no hidden meaning in it, I lived there and it was an example I knew.
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Just saying listen in order to better understand.
My first reaction was "holy shit she had a knife and was flailing around pretty violently" but you do have to step back and wonder how things would have been different (maybe not at all?) if she were white.
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I can't imagine having that conversation with my child. Heart breaking.
Cheers,
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There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Cheers,
HFD
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
Sooo sorry if I offended you, it was definitely not my intention
A childs imagination and thoughts can get away from them, sure, but this thought came from somewhere.
I am truly curious on how she came to think that and it is awful that you had to have the conversation with her.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden