Police abuse

dignin

pjl44 said:

I've started to see people wonder aloud (and wondered myself) why NYC isn't diverting more police away from peaceful protests and toward rampant looting. A couple interesting things:

1. Andrew Cuomo had some strong words about the situation

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1267853459216306178?s=19

2. I trust Danny Gold's reporting, but standard caveats on anonymous quotes apply

https://twitter.com/DGisSERIOUS/status/1267834635515461633?s=19

Then they shouldn't be cops. They got into the wrong profession if they don't want to do their jobs.

tempo_n_groove

dignin said:

pjl44 said:

I've started to see people wonder aloud (and wondered myself) why NYC isn't diverting more police away from peaceful protests and toward rampant looting. A couple interesting things:

1. Andrew Cuomo had some strong words about the situation

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1267853459216306178?s=19

2. I trust Danny Gold's reporting, but standard caveats on anonymous quotes apply

https://twitter.com/DGisSERIOUS/status/1267834635515461633?s=19

Then they shouldn't be cops. They got into the wrong profession if they don't want to do their jobs.

There has been a rift between the Mayor and the police for years now here in NY.  Cops and their families hate them.  The conservative voice hates Deblausio AND Cuomo but dislikes DeBlausio more.

Vedd Hedd

PJNB said:

mace1229 said:

PJNB said:

mace1229 said:

tbergs said:

Ugh, this picture just kills me (those are beanbag and tear gas guns I believe for anyone thinking they are semi-auto rifles). Those are protestors; not rioters, not looters. They were violating the city imposed curfew yesterday that started at 8pm. The police are put in a shitty position and the protestors want their message to be heard. I get needing to curtail the violence and looting, but I wish there was an opportunity for those being peaceful to still be heard 24/7.

I appreciate your post. Too many are just cop bashing right now. But they are out between a rock and a hard place. Some are over reacting, most are just trying to get through their shift.

Peaceful protests are getting teargassed and maced as we speak right now. Take a look what is going on in Philly this second. That is not between a rock and a hard place imo. That is stoking violence and more unrest. At night past curfew is a different ballgame but I have seen way too many videos the last couple of days of peaceful protesters and media being beaten, shot at (non lethal), and maced with other cops just watching. I assume the cops that stand there watching are the good cops you are talking about trying to get through their shift. Until we get to a day where the good cops police the bad cops we are going to be on an endless loop with this shit. 

I respect police and know they have a tough job with split second decisions and their life is on the line every time they start their shift. They did however sign up for that job and I would hope through training and leadership that some kind of change could happen with how they conduct their business. 

Haven’t really watched tv yet today. But the last 3 or 4 days every situation like you described had rocks and water bottles being thrown at the cops. Or a few cases where they were trying to move a crowd or clear a road. I’m sure there was unnecessary use of gas with all the chaos, but it looks like most of it was justified.

I did see a cop shoot a paint gun at people for standing on their porch, that was stupid. 

To be fair to the cops the majority of them are standing around and allowing peaceful protests. That is not newsworthy or interesting however so the times that this does not happen we would see the videos and think that maybe the norm of what is happening right now. 

To go back to the good cops and bad cops comment I made. I would really hope and want to believe that there are only a few bad apples in the police force and the overwhelming majority are good cops trying to make an honest living and doing honest days work. If this is the case however why are the good cops not pushing the bad cops out more often instead of turning a blind eye or not speaking up when they would have a chance to do so? I am not saying this does not happen at all I am wondering why this does not happen with more consistency. If a peaceful protester is standing there not doing anything wrong and a cop comes up and shoves that protester from behind knocking them over, kicks and maces them in the middle of the day how are the other cops just watching this happen and continue on with their march? I just do not get it. I know everyone is on edge but come on. I have seen a couple of times where cops did step up but the vast majority they have not. 

To Brian's comments about cops that are in support of the protesters having  an easier time dealing with them. I thought about that yesterday as well and think it is very true. A lot of that was in the daytime however and once the curfew hits and the dark takes over all bets are off it seems.  

Actually, I have been watching extensive coverage of the protests, and most of the networks that I saw have mentioned how most of the protests were peaceful.  

cutz

23scidoo said:

Things getting better everyday there..sorry for my sarcasm..

https://youtu.be/nr1WwyKDFQs

But, according to this Tweet, and if True, this happened a year ago.

Still, not good

https://twitter.com/TheoShantonas/status/1267543214552219653?s=09

static111

https://apple.news/A3mx0wo4SSvKRu_BXi3RMuA  Kareem Abdul Jabbar

What was your first reaction when you saw the video of the white cop kneeling on George Floyd’s neck while Floyd croaked, “I can’t breathe”?

If you’re white, you probably muttered a horrified, “Oh, my God” while shaking your head at the cruel injustice. If you’re black, you probably leapt to your feet, cursed, maybe threw something (certainly wanted to throw something), while shouting, “Not @#$%! again!” Then you remember the two white vigilantes accused of murdering Ahmaud Arbery as he jogged through their neighborhood in February, and how if it wasn’t for that video emerging a few weeks ago, they would have gotten away with it. And how those Minneapolis cops claimed Floyd was resisting arrest but a store’s video showed he wasn’t. And how the cop on Floyd’s neck wasn’t an enraged redneck stereotype, but a sworn officer who looked calm and entitled and devoid of pity: the banality of evil incarnate.

Maybe you also are thinking about the Karen in Central Park who called 911 claiming the black man who asked her to put a leash on her dog was threatening her. Or the black Yale University grad student napping in the common room of her dorm who was reported by a white student. Because you realize it’s not just a supposed “black criminal” who is targeted, it’s the whole spectrum of black faces from Yonkers to Yale.

You start to wonder if it should be all black people who wear body cams, not the cops.

What do you see when you see angry black protesters amassing outside police stations with raised fists? If you’re white, you may be thinking, “They certainly aren’t social distancing.” Then you notice the black faces looting Target and you think, “Well, that just hurts their cause.” Then you see the police station on fire and you wag a finger saying, “That’s putting the cause backward.”

You’re not wrong — but you’re not right, either. The black community is used to the institutional racism inherent in education, the justice system and jobs. And even though we do all the conventional things to raise public and political awareness — write articulate and insightful pieces in the Atlantic, explain the continued devastation on CNN, support candidates who promise change — the needle hardly budges.

But COVID-19 has been slamming the consequences of all that home as we die at a significantly higher rate than whites, are the first to lose our jobs, and watch helplessly as Republicans try to keep us from voting. Just as the slimy underbelly of institutional racism is being exposed, it feels like hunting season is open on blacks. If there was any doubt, President Trump’s recent tweets confirm the national zeitgeist as he calls protesters "thugs" and looters fair game to be shot.

Yes, protests often are used as an excuse for some to take advantage, just as when fans celebrating a hometown sports team championship burn cars and destroy storefronts. I don’t want to see stores looted or even buildings burn. But African Americans have been living in a burning building for many years, choking on the smoke as the flames burn closer and closer. Racism in America is like dust in the air. It seems invisible — even if you’re choking on it — until you let the sun in. Then you see it’s everywhere. As long as we keep shining that light, we have a chance of cleaning it wherever it lands. But we have to stay vigilant, because it’s always still in the air.

So, maybe the black community’s main concern right now isn’t whether protesters are standing three or six feet apart or whether a few desperate souls steal some T-shirts or even set a police station on fire, but whether their sons, husbands, brothers and fathers will be murdered by cops or wannabe cops just for going on a walk, a jog, a drive. Or whether being black means sheltering at home for the rest of their lives because the racism virus infecting the country is more deadly than COVID-19.

What you should see when you see black protesters in the age of Trump and coronavirus is people pushed to the edge, not because they want bars and nail salons open, but because they want to live. To breathe.

Worst of all, is that we are expected to justify our outraged behavior every time the cauldron bubbles over. Almost 70 years ago, Langston Hughes asked in his poem “Harlem”: “What happens to a dream deferred? /… Maybe it sags / like a heavy load. / Or does it explode?” 

Fifty years ago, Marvin Gaye sang in “Inner City Blues”: “Make me wanna holler / The way they do my life.” And today, despite the impassioned speeches of well-meaning leaders, white and black, they want to silence our voice, steal our breath.

So what you see when you see black protesters depends on whether you’re living in that burning building or watching it on TV with a bowl of corn chips in your lap waiting for "NCIS" to start.

What I want to see is not a rush to judgment, but a rush to justice.

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, a recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom and the N.B.A.’s all-time leading scorer, is the author of 16 books, including, most recently, “Mycroft & Sherlock —The Empty Birdcage” www.kareemabduljabbar.com

tbergs

cutz said:

23scidoo said:

Things getting better everyday there..sorry for my sarcasm..

https://youtu.be/nr1WwyKDFQs

But, according to this Tweet, and if True, this happened a year ago.

Still, not good

https://twitter.com/TheoShantonas/status/1267543214552219653?s=09

The cesspool of social media continues. No way that guy was an FBI agent based on how he was acting. What happened at the end was they took out his regular old ID like any Jo-schmoe and saw he wasn't the guy with the warrant. Now, whether they came to the assumption of him being the suspect just because both are black isn't clear.

OnWis97

So what was this great thing in his wallet?

mace1229

tbergs said:

cutz said:

23scidoo said:

Things getting better everyday there..sorry for my sarcasm..

https://youtu.be/nr1WwyKDFQs

But, according to this Tweet, and if True, this happened a year ago.

Still, not good

https://twitter.com/TheoShantonas/status/1267543214552219653?s=09

The cesspool of social media continues. No way that guy was an FBI agent based on how he was acting. What happened at the end was they took out his regular old ID like any Jo-schmoe and saw he wasn't the guy with the warrant. Now, whether they came to the assumption of him being the suspect just because both are black isn't clear.

That makes more sense. Sounds like the police were following up on a BOLO. 

Ledbetterman10

static111

Ledbetterman10 said:

A statesmanlike statement not too controversial and not too mild. Still an honest effort, but I wish some of our former elected heads of state especially ones that weren’t the most progressive and are trying to join the cause would have the courage to end a statement like this with #blacklivesmatter 

wndowpayne

Well, home from work. TV on  and ready to see what tonight brings..geezz..this is so fucked up..

PJNB

Does taunting police warrant groups being maced? I do not believe so imo. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267321172309544960

jeffbr

Somehow the Washington team's name seems a little at odds with this show of solidarity.

https://twitter.com/Redskins/status/1267918269798850563

brianlux

PJNB said:

Does taunting police warrant groups being maced? I do not believe so imo. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267321172309544960

WTF indeed!  How do people like this get to be cops?   If they can't control themselves over a little taunting they are in the wrong line of work.  Fire these worthless sons of bitches.

PJNB

brianlux said:

PJNB said:

Does taunting police warrant groups being maced? I do not believe so imo. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267321172309544960

WTF indeed!  How do people like this get to be cops?   If they can't control themselves over a little taunting they are in the wrong line of work.  Fire these worthless sons of bitches.

I am really curious what their instructions are from their higher ups with these kinds of things. Was this guy a higher up taking the lead or are these guys going on their own knowing there is very little repercussions so far for bad behavior. 

You would think the leaderships guidance would be take the verbal abuse from the peaceful protesters. Suck it up and earn respect back from the public. Not this. This is causing more anger. 

cincybearcat

PJNB said:

brianlux said:

PJNB said:

Does taunting police warrant groups being maced? I do not believe so imo. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267321172309544960

WTF indeed!  How do people like this get to be cops?   If they can't control themselves over a little taunting they are in the wrong line of work.  Fire these worthless sons of bitches.

I am really curious what their instructions are from their higher ups with these kinds of things. Was this guy a higher up taking the lead or are these guys going on their own knowing there is very little repercussions so far for bad behavior. 

You would think the leaderships guidance would be take the verbal abuse from the peaceful protesters. Suck it up and earn respect back from the public. Not this. This is causing more anger. 

It’s mind boggling. 

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

brianlux said:

PJNB said:

Does taunting police warrant groups being maced? I do not believe so imo. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267321172309544960

WTF indeed!  How do people like this get to be cops?   If they can't control themselves over a little taunting they are in the wrong line of work.  Fire these worthless sons of bitches.

I am really curious what their instructions are from their higher ups with these kinds of things. Was this guy a higher up taking the lead or are these guys going on their own knowing there is very little repercussions so far for bad behavior. 

You would think the leaderships guidance would be take the verbal abuse from the peaceful protesters. Suck it up and earn respect back from the public. Not this. This is causing more anger. 

It’s mind boggling. 

It looks bad from the segment we're shown, which is why I hate social media. We never get to see everything, not that it would justify what happened, but it may indicate what led to them moving in. I can't quite tell what the male does with his left hand right before they act. Maybe flips them off, maybe makes an obscene gesture, no idea. Still excessive if that's all he did.

tempo_n_groove

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

brianlux said:

PJNB said:

Does taunting police warrant groups being maced? I do not believe so imo. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267321172309544960

WTF indeed!  How do people like this get to be cops?   If they can't control themselves over a little taunting they are in the wrong line of work.  Fire these worthless sons of bitches.

I am really curious what their instructions are from their higher ups with these kinds of things. Was this guy a higher up taking the lead or are these guys going on their own knowing there is very little repercussions so far for bad behavior. 

You would think the leaderships guidance would be take the verbal abuse from the peaceful protesters. Suck it up and earn respect back from the public. Not this. This is causing more anger. 

It’s mind boggling. 

It looks bad from the segment we're shown, which is why I hate social media. We never get to see everything, not that it would justify what happened, but it may indicate what led to them moving in. I can't quite tell what the male does with his left hand right before they act. Maybe flips them off, maybe makes an obscene gesture, no idea. Still excessive if that's all he did.

It was posted for a knee jerk reaction.  The cops right now are all on edge and so are the people.  You want to protest then protest.  Leave the cops alone.
Excessive?  Maybe. But like said above you don't know what else happened.

I always think of a Jello Biafra quote "when you ape the cops it's not anarchy"

On another note whomever posted that Kareem piece thank you.  He is one of the more thought provoking atheletes out there.

cincybearcat

tempo_n_groove said:

tbergs said:

cincybearcat said:

PJNB said:

brianlux said:

PJNB said:

Does taunting police warrant groups being maced? I do not believe so imo. 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1267321172309544960

WTF indeed!  How do people like this get to be cops?   If they can't control themselves over a little taunting they are in the wrong line of work.  Fire these worthless sons of bitches.

I am really curious what their instructions are from their higher ups with these kinds of things. Was this guy a higher up taking the lead or are these guys going on their own knowing there is very little repercussions so far for bad behavior. 

You would think the leaderships guidance would be take the verbal abuse from the peaceful protesters. Suck it up and earn respect back from the public. Not this. This is causing more anger. 

It’s mind boggling. 

It looks bad from the segment we're shown, which is why I hate social media. We never get to see everything, not that it would justify what happened, but it may indicate what led to them moving in. I can't quite tell what the male does with his left hand right before they act. Maybe flips them off, maybe makes an obscene gesture, no idea. Still excessive if that's all he did.

It was posted for a knee jerk reaction.  The cops right now are all on edge and so are the people.  You want to protest then protest.  Leave the cops alone.
Excessive?  Maybe. But like said above you don't know what else happened.

I always think of a Jello Biafra quote "when you ape the cops it's not anarchy"

On another note whomever posted that Kareem piece thank you.  He is one of the more thought provoking atheletes out there.

The cops inaction in self policing doesn’t provide them any room for error here. Too many videos like that. 

Jason P

There is a teen pushing a basketball hoop around Philly to help break tension ... this seems so silly it may just work, but if you had cops out playing ball in the cities, there is camaraderie in sports.  Anyone who has played knows that they have built trust with strangers on their team quickly.  I'm sure there would be a list of cops willing to shoot hoops on the clock and you are out there connecting with the age group that mistrusts you the most.  It could help bring down the division.  The cop no longer sees a perp.   A kid no longer sees a racist out to get them.  Over time.  Trust can be rebuilt.