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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,725
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration. 

    This is a tough one. 

    First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here.   But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues,  I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change.  I don't say that easily.  I understand the protests.  I'm against violent protest, but I understand it.  How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere?  What would I be doing if I were a young black man?  If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

    I don't know for sure anymore what creates change.  One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them.  Something has to give.   
    When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters. 

    No, I don't agree with the looting and the arson.  I understand it, I understand the anger, but burning and stealing is not something I condone.  But look, the reality is, the great majority of protesters are not burning and looting.  And we should remember that the media loves it.  Man, that shit sells.  But ALL the other protesters?  I say, Right ON!

    A rebuttal to myself:

    Yeah, OK, but what has peaceful protest ever gained?  Maybe violence in the streets is the only way to get enough attention to the problem to make enough people aware of how bad the situation is and how seriously change needs to happen.  There are no easy answers.   
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,314
    I guess social distancing doesn’t count anymore? Because people are angry? 
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    https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/male-baltimore-cop-knocks-woman-out-in-shocking-video/

  • Ledbetterman10
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    edited May 2020
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/male-baltimore-cop-knocks-woman-out-in-shocking-video/

    Another example of a cop losing his cool. It’s a tough job to keep your cool. And it’s hilarious that he punched her like that, cause fuck her. But really, he needs to do his job and properly take her into custody. He’s black she’s black so no one will care, but still, it’s that sort of “vengeful” behavior by cops that often leads to the perpetrator being killed. That’s a big guy punching a woman in the face, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a punch like that could kill her. Then he’s just like the Minneapolis cop...minus the racial aspect. 
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  • nicknyr15
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/male-baltimore-cop-knocks-woman-out-in-shocking-video/

    Another example of a cop losing his cool. It’s a tough job to keep your cool. And it’s hilarious that he punched her like that, cause fuck her. But really, he needs to do his job and properly take her into custody. He’s black she’s black so no one will care, but still, it’s that sort of “vengeful” behavior by cops that often leads to the perpetrator being killed. That’s a big guy punching a woman in the face, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a punch like that could kill her. Then he’s just like the Minneapolis cop...minus the racial aspect. 
    It’s awful. But it’s even sadder that no one will care because it’s black on black. 
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    nicknyr15 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/male-baltimore-cop-knocks-woman-out-in-shocking-video/

    Another example of a cop losing his cool. It’s a tough job to keep your cool. And it’s hilarious that he punched her like that, cause fuck her. But really, he needs to do his job and properly take her into custody. He’s black she’s black so no one will care, but still, it’s that sort of “vengeful” behavior by cops that often leads to the perpetrator being killed. That’s a big guy punching a woman in the face, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a punch like that could kill her. Then he’s just like the Minneapolis cop...minus the racial aspect. 
    It’s awful. But it’s even sadder that no one will care because it’s black on black. 
    Looking at the comments a lot of people care though... 
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,314
    PJNB said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/male-baltimore-cop-knocks-woman-out-in-shocking-video/

    Another example of a cop losing his cool. It’s a tough job to keep your cool. And it’s hilarious that he punched her like that, cause fuck her. But really, he needs to do his job and properly take her into custody. He’s black she’s black so no one will care, but still, it’s that sort of “vengeful” behavior by cops that often leads to the perpetrator being killed. That’s a big guy punching a woman in the face, it’s not out of the realm of possibility that a punch like that could kill her. Then he’s just like the Minneapolis cop...minus the racial aspect. 
    It’s awful. But it’s even sadder that no one will care because it’s black on black. 
    Looking at the comments a lot of people care though... 
    I honestly don’t look at the comments. But that’s good to hear. Easily could of split her head open when she hit the ground. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,874
    This is all so awful.... 

    I wish cops would step in and take control when their co-workers are out of control. We cannot expect humans to stay in control 100%, we can expect a system that minimizes it and then steps in to stop it when it occurs.

    i wish the protests could have remained peaceful.  I understand that when you aren’t being heard you lash out. But I hate the stupid excuse it gives to shift blame.  

    Police need to police each other. Like any job. Someone doing something wrong, call it out and help them do it right.

    And in reality the protesters also need to be holding each other accountable for their behavior. Same thing.

    I guess this is what you get when you:

    1) continue to have police issues with very little change/improvement
    2) Have a president that stokes division, hatred and violence

    Several other things I can think of, but not sure this forum or any online forum is the place to bring it up and have a conversation about. Needs to be in person, not a place that treats posts like headlines.
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  • brianlux
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    mickeyrat said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration. 

    This is a tough one. 

    First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here.   But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues,  I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change.  I don't say that easily.  I understand the protests.  I'm against violent protest, but I understand it.  How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere?  What would I be doing if I were a young black man?  If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

    I don't know for sure anymore what creates change.  One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them.  Something has to give.   
    When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters. 

    No, I don't agree with the looting and the arson.  I understand it, I understand the anger, but burning and stealing is not something I condone.  But look, the reality is, the great majority of protesters are not burning and looting.  And we should remember that the media loves it.  Man, that shit sells.  But ALL the other protesters?  I say, Right ON!

    A rebuttal to myself:

    Yeah, OK, but what has peaceful protest ever gained?  Maybe violence in the streets is the only way to get enough attention to the problem to make enough people aware of how bad the situation is and how seriously change needs to happen.  There are no easy answers.   
    pose your question to John Lewis.... he may have an answer to your question.
    Ghandi and MLK jr may have one as well if you could ask them......

    All of whom for which I have great respect.

    Yes, each would have an answer, as would Marcus Garvey, Malcolm X, Huey Newton, Bobby Seale, Elijah Muhammad, and Eldridge Cleaver, all of who we might find some fault with, but also all of whom did much to support the black community.

    And what about H. Rap Brown, aka Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin?  At one point, he was the 5th chairman of the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee yet also once said, "Violence is as American as cherry pie,", and "If America don't come around, we're gonna burn it down."

    A complex subject with no easy answers.


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  • PJNB
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  • PJNB
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    edited May 2020



    The above are some wild videos that I have been following tonight. No one dies in any of them but there is swearing and violence. 
     


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  • mace1229
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    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    Peaceful protest has not led to one whit of change. Those saying to "just protest peacefully" have no idea of the magnitude of the problem. I can understand the rage and frustration. 

    This is a tough one. 

    First of all, I think you're pretty much right on here.   But having seen all kinds of protest over various issues,  I think what was once a successful means for change (for example: the war in Vietnam ended earlier that it would have due to protests of all kinds), protests are now not as likely to create change.  I don't say that easily.  I understand the protests.  I'm against violent protest, but I understand it.  How could I, a white male, speak out against the protests in Minneapolis and elsewhere?  What would I be doing if I were a young black man?  If I'm angry at what happened, how much more if I were black or brown?

    I don't know for sure anymore what creates change.  One thing for sure- it's not happening for a lot of people in ways that are making things better for them.  Something has to give.   
    When you say you can’t speak out against protestors, do you include looters and arsons and those bringing guns and shooting in a crowd in that? I don’t consider them protesters. 

    No, I don't agree with the looting and the arson.  I understand it, I understand the anger, but burning and stealing is not something I condone.  But look, the reality is, the great majority of protesters are not burning and looting.  And we should remember that the media loves it.  Man, that shit sells.  But ALL the other protesters?  I say, Right ON!

    A rebuttal to myself:

    Yeah, OK, but what has peaceful protest ever gained?  Maybe violence in the streets is the only way to get enough attention to the problem to make enough people aware of how bad the situation is and how seriously change needs to happen.  There are no easy answers.   
    Here’s the problem. Destroying property is wrong. But even worse I will be shocked if no one is killed in these riots, if they haven’t already.
    Dis you see that cop in Chicago being dragged through the street? I thought they were going to mob kill him like you see in 3rd world countries. And they very well may have if a few other protesters didn’t step in.
    No cops deserve to be murdered because of the actions of a few they never even met. Same goes for all groups and races. Someone killing a cop because he’s a cop is just as disgusting as a cop killing a black man.
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  • oftenreading
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    cincybearcat said:
    This is all so awful.... 

    I wish cops would step in and take control when their co-workers are out of control. We cannot expect humans to stay in control 100%, we can expect a system that minimizes it and then steps in to stop it when it occurs.

    i wish the protests could have remained peaceful.  I understand that when you aren’t being heard you lash out. But I hate the stupid excuse it gives to shift blame.  

    Police need to police each other. Like any job. Someone doing something wrong, call it out and help them do it right.

    And in reality the protesters also need to be holding each other accountable for their behavior. Same thing.

    I guess this is what you get when you:

    1) continue to have police issues with very little change/improvement
    2) Have a president that stokes division, hatred and violence

    Several other things I can think of, but not sure this forum or any online forum is the place to bring it up and have a conversation about. Needs to be in person, not a place that treats posts like headlines.

    Police certainly should police each other, but they do not and I don't expect that will change. Their culture of protecting each other is too strong.

    And as for protesters holding each other accountable - why? and how? These individuals are not a unified group with a specific purpose, like the police - it's a disparate amalgamation of people with all sorts of aims, and many of the ones who are causing problems aren't really even there to protest, they're there to take advantage of the situation to cast the protesters in a bad light. MAGAheads sowing chaos so that they can use it as an excuse to "crack down" again. 

    I agree with your two list causes, though. 
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  • Jason P
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  • Jason P
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    I predict to see an exodus of people from downtown areas.  Between this and being virus corridors, there are serious considerations to take if you are raising a family.
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    3 hours.
    Nothing from the Pile of Crap in Chief.

    Those of you who support him?
    Bravo.  Feel proud of yourselves.

    This is what Zero leadership looks like.  

    What a complete waste of a human life.  
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  • RunIntoTheRain
    RunIntoTheRain Texas Posts: 1,033
    Downtown Dallas is being destroyed tonight.  The violence is crazy.
    I don't know how this nation is going to heal after this.
    Stay safe everyone.
  • F Me In The Brain
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    Vote in an actual leader and not a racist hate monger?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,668
    Jason P said:
    I predict to see an exodus of people from downtown areas.  Between this and being virus corridors, there are serious considerations to take if you are raising a family.

    Many have been predicting, writing about this for years.  It's happened before.  Much of downtown San Francisco was a shit hole in the early 70's when I lived there.  NYC, same thing.  Look at CBGBs.  Then it all gentrified...l for a while.  It's changing again.   What will remain will be, yet again, the poor who have no way out.  The poor shall inherit the inner cities.  It's already happening.
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