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    brianlux said:

    I saw the spot that Maher did on COVID-19 and it was excellent.  The bit about the name was not at all a problem for me.  The two lines that I think Maher said that puts this into perspective are, "Jesus fucking Christ, can't we even have a pandemic without getting offended?"  and, "This isn't about vilifying the culture, it's about facts." And I would say that in this case, vilifying the culture would not necessarily be inappropriate- at least not the part of the culture that engages in foolish behaviors like fucking around with viruses in a labs (we do that too and I call us out on that) and having wet markets that include things like bats and other wildlife.   That is fucking stupid and I'm not afraid to call the Chinese out on that, just like I'm not afraid to call out Americans for all the fucking stupid things we do. Maher also calls out the Chinese for quickly reopening  their wet markets "where exotic animals are sold and consumed" opening up the wet markets and says the PC police thinks its inappropriate to attack any cultural practices that are different from ours.  Really?  I don't see any problem with doing that when those practices are dangerous or immoral.

    I sometimes think political correctness is making it hard or even impossible to be able to simply be sensible.  I don't have a problem with calling disease by their place of origin.  Especially when that place of origin is doing stupid things.  Why not hold the country of origin accountable?   The members of the Chinese society that created this virus fucked up my life and yours.  Do we not want to hold them accountable?  I do.  Does that make me racist against Chinese people?  Oh, for Christ's sake, no.

    And really, aren't there  problems related to this disease that are far more important?  Like, are you and I going to survive this whatever you want to call it disease?

    For those who missed it, here's the Maher video we are talking about:


    in most cases, its HOW a word or phrase is used. what tone and inflection its said with. case in point. Jew. Acceptable in most every circumstance until it has some shit behind it then its antisemetic, racist, bigoted what have you.

    at its heart I believe political correctness is really about decency and respect.
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    mickeyrat said:
    in most cases, its HOW a word or phrase is used. what tone and inflection its said with. case in point. Jew. Acceptable in most every circumstance until it has some shit behind it then its antisemetic, racist, bigoted what have you.

    at its heart I believe political correctness is really about decency and respect.

    I agree with you there 100% . 

    I call the disease "COVID-19" and the virus "cornonavirus" because those are presently the common terms.  If it were called "Wuhan Virus" I would have no issue with calling it that.  When I was a kid, I had German Measles.  I'm half Amish which mean that I'm somewhat part German.  I don't know anyone who has a problem calling the illness "German Measles".  I don't. 

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  • Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:

    I agree with you there 100% . 

    I call the disease "COVID-19" and the virus "cornonavirus" because those are presently the common terms.  If it were called "Wuhan Virus" I would have no issue with calling it that.  When I was a kid, I had German Measles.  I'm half Amish which mean that I'm somewhat part German.  I don't know anyone who has a problem calling the illness "German Measles".  I don't. 


    The proper name for that condition is rubella, though, not German measles, and the term "German measles" wasn't intended to blame Germans for the disease. The condition was widespread by that point but was formally described by German physicians. 

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644

    The proper name for that condition is rubella, though, not German measles, and the term "German measles" wasn't intended to blame Germans for the disease. The condition was widespread by that point but was formally described by German physicians. 


    OK.

    I still stand by everything I said.
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  • Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    brianlux said:

    OK.

    I still stand by everything I said.

    Sure, go ahead, but know that the two situations are not at all comparable. 

    Anyone who prefers to use the terms "Wuhan virus" or "Chinese virus" is doing so to stir up anger and ill feeling, and that includes Maher. 
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    Sure, go ahead, but know that the two situations are not at all comparable. 

    Anyone who prefers to use the terms "Wuhan virus" or "Chinese virus" is doing so to stir up anger and ill feeling, and that includes Maher. 
    Even if you are right, why is stirring up anger towards the Chinese governments debacle regarding this virus a bad thing? 
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    Even if you are right, why is stirring up anger towards the Chinese governments debacle regarding this virus a bad thing? 

    Exactly. 

    Why is it wrong to call out shit that another country or culture does that is harmful?  I don't see anyone saying its OK to practice female genital mutilation because its "part of their someone's culture".

    Like Maher said, "The PC police thinks its inappropriate to attack any cultural practices that are different from ours."  And what that does, really, is to feed the people who really are racist more ammo for their racism.  Overboard PCism feeds the other end of the spectrum by denying statements of fact and by taunting racists into taking facts and exaggerate them into racist thinking and remarks. 
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    edited May 2020
    brianlux said:

    Exactly. 

    Why is it wrong to call out shit that another country or culture does that is harmful?  I don't see anyone saying its OK to practice female genital mutilation because its "part of their someone's culture".

    Like Maher said, "The PC police thinks its inappropriate to attack any cultural practices that are different from ours."  And what that does, really, is to feed the people who really are racist more ammo for their racism.  Overboard PCism feeds the other end of the spectrum by denying statements of fact and by taunting racists into taking facts and exaggerate them into racist thinking and remarks. 
    There is nothing at all wrong with that. There is plenty wrong with this however and a lot think that labeling it the Chinese Virus contributes and fuels this hate. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html


    https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/covid-19-fueling-anti-asian-racism-and-xenophobia-worldwide

    https://theconversation.com/anti-asian-racism-during-coronavirus-how-the-language-of-disease-produces-hate-and-violence-134496


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-us-asian-americans-racism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_xenophobia_and_racism_related_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic (skip ahead to North America)

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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    PJNB said:
    There is nothing at all wrong with that. There is plenty wrong with this however and a lot think that labeling it the Chinese Virus contributes and fuels this hate. 

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html


    https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/covid-19-fueling-anti-asian-racism-and-xenophobia-worldwide

    https://theconversation.com/anti-asian-racism-during-coronavirus-how-the-language-of-disease-produces-hate-and-violence-134496


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/24/coronavirus-us-asian-americans-racism

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_incidents_of_xenophobia_and_racism_related_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic (skip ahead to North America)


    Well, like I said, I call it COVID-19 and coronavirus because those are the common names plus, in no way do I want to be associated with racist, xenophobic creeps.   But I would not have considered it either racist nor xenophobic if the common name had become "Wuhan Virus".  The segment of the Chinese people who are responsible for this pandemic need to be held accountable.  That is not racism.  That is calling people out on there shit.  I will do that without need for apology toward any culture, country or group of people who commit egregious harm or danger to others. 
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  • Posts: 20,841
    brianlux said:

    Well, like I said, I call it COVID-19 and coronavirus because those are the common names plus, in no way do I want to be associated with racist, xenophobic creeps.   But I would not have considered it either racist nor xenophobic if the common name had become "Wuhan Virus".  The segment of the Chinese people who are responsible for this pandemic need to be held accountable.  That is not racism.  That is calling people out on there shit.  I will do that without need for apology toward any culture, country or group of people who commit egregious harm or danger to others. 
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    dankind said:
    OK, boomer.

    Haven't been called that in a long time, LOL.

    But, yeah, I'm done with this aspect of the pandemic.  It's COVID-19/ coronavirus.  It sucks.  It fucked up aspects of my life and it's fucked with all our lives.  And whether I agree totally with anyone here or not on certain things, what really counts is this:  I hope everyone here stays well and I hope you're all getting through this rough time as best as possible. 
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  • Posts: 491
    By golly it’s got to be challenging to be liberal leaning during these trying times.  I have been Calling it the Wuhan Virus since the beginning of this Pandemic for the reasons a few of you mentioned above that has nothing to do w/ being a Racist.  It has everything to do w/ being a REALIST which the PC police love to scream Racist every chance they get.  
  • Posts: 30,876
    By golly it’s got to be challenging to be liberal leaning during these trying times.  I have been Calling it the Wuhan Virus since the beginning of this Pandemic for the reasons a few of you mentioned above that has nothing to do w/ being a Racist.  It has everything to do w/ being a REALIST which the PC police love to scream Racist every chance they get.  
    It's not difficult.  We still have our integrity, by not supporting an habitual liar.  Makes it easy. 
  • Asia Posts: 4,528
    By golly it’s got to be challenging to be liberal leaning during these trying times.  I have been Calling it the Wuhan Virus since the beginning of this Pandemic for the reasons a few of you mentioned above that has nothing to do w/ being a Racist.  It has everything to do w/ being a REALIST which the PC police love to scream Racist every chance they get.  

    You all say liberals defend Harvey Weinstein, so there's that.
  • Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,381
    mrussel1 said:
    It's not difficult.  We still have our integrity, by not supporting an habitual liar.  Makes it easy. 
    Not just a habitual liar
    He's also a misogynist, a narcissist,  a racist, a xenophobe, and a white nationalist.

    And he does not care about his supporters/voters
  • Posts: 13,890
    By golly it’s got to be challenging to be liberal leaning during these trying times.  I have been Calling it the Wuhan Virus since the beginning of this Pandemic for the reasons a few of you mentioned above that has nothing to do w/ being a Racist.  It has everything to do w/ being a REALIST which the PC police love to scream Racist every chance they get.  
    Are you denying people are using it in a racist manner? 


  • St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,990
    PJNB said:
    Are you denying people are using it in a racist manner? 


    i have never seen it not used in a racist manner. 

    i have only seen it used by trump supporters, and we all are very clear on their idealogy.
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    brianlux said:

    Haven't been called that in a long time, LOL.

    But, yeah, I'm done with this aspect of the pandemic.  It's COVID-19/ coronavirus.  It sucks.  It fucked up aspects of my life and it's fucked with all our lives.  And whether I agree totally with anyone here or not on certain things, what really counts is this:  I hope everyone here stays well and I hope you're all getting through this rough time as best as possible. 
    I hope the same for you, man. Be well.
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  • Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,644
    mfc2006 said:
    I hope the same for you, man. Be well.

    Thanks, M.

    Peace all.  I fell badly about stirring shit that needn't have been.  I suspect there are very few, if any, overtly racist Pearl Jam fans here and I think we all want the same things- an end to this horrid virus, peace on earth, and good music.  One out of three is a good start.
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  • Tampa Posts: 765
    edited May 2020
    By golly it’s got to be challenging to be liberal leaning during these trying times.  I have been Calling it the Wuhan Virus since the beginning of this Pandemic for the reasons a few of you mentioned above that has nothing to do w/ being a Racist.  It has everything to do w/ being a REALIST which the PC police love to scream Racist every chance they get.  
    no one cares what you think, turbo white two first names

    but imagine being so triggered by intolerance for your underlying racism you need to go out of your way to let everyone know you call a virus something it's not called
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