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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,470
    edited May 2020

    Norway agrees Sweden being correct in not closing schools


    On March 12, Norway closed down large parts of everyday life. One of the biggest political decisions was to close schools and preschools - but Prime Minister Erna Solberg announced it was necessary. The only exception was for children with special needs and children for parents with community-based work.

    Now, the Norwegian Public Health Authority, the Public Health Institute, thinks that the school closure probably had no major effect in reducing the spread of infection. A report released May 5 on the situation in the country states that it is assumed that the closure of preschools and schools in grades 1-4 had rather a small effect on the spread of infection.

    - We have tried to study this broadly and found very little knowledge that says it has a big effect. It has also been seen in other countries, which have not closed schools, that things have gone well. We have also learned that the role of children in the spread of infection is very small in relation to the adults, says the infection protection expert Frode Forland.

    When it comes to grades 5-10 you are even suspected of having a small to negative effect. This is when reports from municipalities have seen that children continue to spend time in groups at home rather than in schools and in families across generational boundaries.

    /.../

    After 39 days, Prime Minister Erna Solberg announced that the spread of infection was under control and that schools could be slowly reopened. Frode Forland points out that it was a political decision to close the schools.

    - Closing schools was a decision taken by the government that we did not initially recommend. The Public Health Institute suggested other things that are more effective, but closing schools and preschools was not on our list.

    According to reports to the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet, even the authority's chief Camilla Stoltenberg warned Prime Minister Erna Solberg how the closure would affect the spread of infection. In an email to the magazine, Stoltenberg later wrote that she did not "warn" - but that the authority was worried about what the consequences might be.


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  • hedonist
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    Is it really necessary to do that “redeemed” thing ad nauseum instead of letting what you post stand on its own?  Kinda tough on the eyes. 
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    hedonist said:
    Is it really necessary to do that “redeemed” thing ad nauseum instead of letting what you post stand on its own?  Kinda tough on the eyes. 
    This + cut the text by about 75%.

    One man's opinion: If you find a good article, don't paste the whole thing into a comment. Sum up what you think the point is and/or clip a key paragraph with a link below it. If the taste is interesting enough, I'll check out more. I just breeze past a wall of text.
  • mfc2006
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    pjl44 said:
    hedonist said:
    Is it really necessary to do that “redeemed” thing ad nauseum instead of letting what you post stand on its own?  Kinda tough on the eyes. 
    This + cut the text by about 75%.

    One man's opinion: If you find a good article, don't paste the whole thing into a comment. Sum up what you think the point is and/or clip a key paragraph with a link below it. If the taste is interesting enough, I'll check out more. I just breeze past a wall of text.
    Yup. It's a bit much, in my opinion.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    hedonist said:
    Is it really necessary to do that “redeemed” thing ad nauseum instead of letting what you post stand on its own?  Kinda tough on the eyes. 

    Thank you! 

    I didn't want to say anything but it really is obnoxious.  "When I see it comin' I just wanna run away! "  :lol: 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    I get that Pearl Jam has an international fan base and that the virus is not simply a North American issue...but man this thread gets Swede-jacked.
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  • dignin
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  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    I called the local butcher shop to see if I could place an order online and if they offered curbside pickup options.  He basically said I would need to come in to get what I want like everyone else unless I was elderly or had an underlying condition that prevented me from doing so.  He was real rude, so I called another one out of principle and got the same response, except in a polite way, so I'll shop there instead.  I have no problem going in to grab something when needed, but if stores are offering curbside, I'll go that route.  I understand it's less convenient for them, but these guys responded as if I was asking a completely obnoxious question.  Man. 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    We ordered pizza tonight.  Pulled into a numbered spot, called and told them what spot we were in.  They came out and put it in the back seat.  Zero interaction. 
    Ordereed Jersey Mike’s two weeks ago and they put our order on a table outside.   Again zero interaction. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    OnWis97 said:
    I get that Pearl Jam has an international fan base and that the virus is not simply a North American issue...but man this thread gets Swede-jacked.
    The thing is I'm pretty interested in how their approach is going and especially from someone who lives there. It's just soooooooo much to digest.
  • Mike D88
    Mike D88 Tampa Posts: 767
    edited May 2020
    The White House confirmed on Thursday that a member of the U.S. Navy who serves as one of President Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus, CNN reports.

    A second member of Vice President Pence’s staff tested positive for the coronavirus Friday, a day after a valet to President Trump did the same.

    TRUMP: “Katie, she tested very good for a long period of time, and then all of the sudden she tested positive ... this is why the whole concept of tests aren't necessarily great ... today, I guess, for some reason, she tested positive."

    Couple issues here:
    1) The WH insists they're getting frequently tested. Given the invasive, painful nature of a nasopharyngeal swab, I have some doubts about this.
    2) False negatives are a known issue with these tests. The WH appears to be using negative results from tests to justify a lack of social distancing or PPE; see Trump and Pence's recent PR stunts without masks.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    bbiggs said:
    I called the local butcher shop to see if I could place an order online and if they offered curbside pickup options.  He basically said I would need to come in to get what I want like everyone else unless I was elderly or had an underlying condition that prevented me from doing so.  He was real rude, so I called another one out of principle and got the same response, except in a polite way, so I'll shop there instead.  I have no problem going in to grab something when needed, but if stores are offering curbside, I'll go that route.  I understand it's less convenient for them, but these guys responded as if I was asking a completely obnoxious question.  Man. 

    It is definitely less convenient to do curbside business but it is even more inconvenient to do no business at all.  The first guy, the rude one, should be thankful to be able to business and grateful to his customers, even the ones who ask for curbside.  I'd say if he is going to be rude about it, he should go pound sand!  

    Good for the second guy for being polite but too bad he doesn't offer curbside to those who want it.  That really is the way to go.  

    My wife's store is now doing curbside business for books.   But, sadly, I still am not back to work.  I may never go back- not because I don't want to or might not have the opportunity, but because the younger couple who are going to take over the business in not too many years are going to have a tough go of it and they will likely not be able to afford my part-time help.  I hope they can make a go of it in the coming years.  This thing has been really, really tough on small businesses.  Many will not survive.  So sad. 
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  • Lerxst1992
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    bbiggs said:
    I called the local butcher shop to see if I could place an order online and if they offered curbside pickup options.  He basically said I would need to come in to get what I want like everyone else unless I was elderly or had an underlying condition that prevented me from doing so.  He was real rude, so I called another one out of principle and got the same response, except in a polite way, so I'll shop there instead.  I have no problem going in to grab something when needed, but if stores are offering curbside, I'll go that route.  I understand it's less convenient for them, but these guys responded as if I was asking a completely obnoxious question.  Man. 

    We had luck with a major restaurant distributor in our area. They normally supply schools, amusement parks, restaurants and other places that have concession stands. Had a burger the other day and was pretty good. Their minimum order was $150, but they delivered within a day and we are stocked with meats for months. 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    ^ I agree on all points Brian.  The funny thing is, I didn’t even ask FOR curbside, but rather if it was an option and he bit my head off. He mentioned how he has “500 orders to fulfill,” so clearly he’s not concerned about losing business. It’s all good.  I have zero problem telling everyone I know locally what a dick he was.  Curbside offerings today seem to be the norm at most places, so my question was not too far out there in my opinion.

    Hopefully you can get back to work at some point!
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    pjl44 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I get that Pearl Jam has an international fan base and that the virus is not simply a North American issue...but man this thread gets Swede-jacked.
    The thing is I'm pretty interested in how their approach is going and especially from someone who lives there. It's just soooooooo much to digest.
    Not to mention our Swedish friend started the thread. 
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Mike D88 said:
    The White House confirmed on Thursday that a member of the U.S. Navy who serves as one of President Trump's personal valets has tested positive for coronavirus, CNN reports.

    A second member of Vice President Pence’s staff tested positive for the coronavirus Friday, a day after a valet to President Trump did the same.

    TRUMP: “Katie, she tested very good for a long period of time, and then all of the sudden she tested positive ... this is why the whole concept of tests aren't necessarily great ... today, I guess, for some reason, she tested positive."

    Couple issues here:
    1) The WH insists they're getting frequently tested. Given the invasive, painful nature of a nasopharyngeal swab, I have some doubts about this.
    2) False negatives are a known issue with these tests. The WH appears to be using negative results from tests to justify a lack of social distancing or PPE; see Trump and Pence's recent PR stunts without masks.
    Also the double standard. You guys go back to work without tests, you will be fine, it's safe. But we here, well, we get tested every day... because it's obviously not safe.
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    dankind said:
    pjl44 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I get that Pearl Jam has an international fan base and that the virus is not simply a North American issue...but man this thread gets Swede-jacked.
    The thing is I'm pretty interested in how their approach is going and especially from someone who lives there. It's just soooooooo much to digest.
    Not to mention our Swedish friend started the thread. 
    If we didn't have this thread we would have to actively seek out updates from Johan God.  
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    bbiggs said:
    ^ I agree on all points Brian.  The funny thing is, I didn’t even ask FOR curbside, but rather if it was an option and he bit my head off. He mentioned how he has “500 orders to fulfill,” so clearly he’s not concerned about losing business. It’s all good.  I have zero problem telling everyone I know locally what a dick he was.  Curbside offerings today seem to be the norm at most places, so my question was not too far out there in my opinion.

    Hopefully you can get back to work at some point!

    Thanks, b!  I've got my little on line business back up and running and scouring my inventory for things worth listing that I may have missed.  It's not much, but gives me something to do and a sense of having a job. 

    But no complaints.  We're having spaghetti with mushrooms, broccoli and a little red wine for dinner.  Any time that happens is a good time!  Annie the cat thinks so too.  Broccoli is one of her favorites!
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  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    F Me In The Brain said:
    dankind said:
    pjl44 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    I get that Pearl Jam has an international fan base and that the virus is not simply a North American issue...but man this thread gets Swede-jacked.
    The thing is I'm pretty interested in how their approach is going and especially from someone who lives there. It's just soooooooo much to digest.
    Not to mention our Swedish friend started the thread. 
    If we didn't have this thread we would have to actively seek out updates from Johan God.  

    I SAW PEARL JAM
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Agreed
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