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    23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 18,530


    France going back to lockdown (but keeping schools open, If I read it correctly)

    Germany going into partial lockdown
    Belgium and Greece the same..over 1500 cases yestarday..
    Athens 2006. Dusseldorf 2007. Berlin 2009. Venice 2010. Amsterdam 1 2012. Amsterdam 1+2 2014. Buenos Aires 2015.
    Prague Krakow Berlin 2018. Berlin 2022
    EV, Taormina 1+2 2017.

    I wish i was the souvenir you kept your house key on..
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,099
    edited October 2020
    Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

    Johan is redeemed once again.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 30,652
    mcgruff10 said:

    Justin Turner's selfish World Series celebration is a symptom of a much larger problem

    You’d think baseball, of all sports, would know the dangers of celebrating before the final out is in the books. You’d think the Dodgers, just three days removed from one of the most wrenching last-second defeats in World Series history, would realize that a game’s not over just because you want it to be.

    And yet baseball might have just managed to blow a 10-run, two-out, two-strike, bottom-of-the-ninth lead on COVID-19, all because Justin Turner had to get his picture with the World Series trophy after being pulled from the lineup in the 8th inning for testing positive.

    I don’t know what it’s like to win a World Series, and probably neither do you. But here’s what we all do know: We know what it’s like to go months without hugging our distant loved ones. We know what it’s like to watch children wear cute little masks, unaware of how heartbreaking that is. We know what it’s like to stare, day after day, at the same walls, at the same computer screen. We know what it’s like to worry about the health of our older relatives, worry about the effects on kids kept out of school, worry about our jobs and our mental health. We know difficult times demand difficult choices.

    So, yeah, when you see someone like Turner just casually flaunting the hard-and-fast, no-gray-area rules a billion-dollar industry put in place to preserve some sense of normalcy (yes, and financial solvency) — it doesn’t go over so well. You see Turner — a guy who, again, literally just tested positive for COVID-19 — happily partying mask-off among his teammates, the same way you see beachgoers or attendees at a rally mingling up cheek-to-cheek, and you want to rip your television off the wall.

    Make no mistake: This isn’t about mask-shaming or pearl-clutching scare tactics about “what might happen if.” This is science. The dude had a positive test. This isn’t “acceptable risk.” This is willfully endangering others — and their kids, and their older relatives — in the midst of a new surge for a few minutes of celebration.

    I know all the smug defenses — the almost-certain survival rate for someone in Turner’s demographic; the relatively low possibility of transmission in an open-air environment; the fact that he might have already infected teammates before the test results were known; the whole aw, come on, let ’em celebrate mindset. I also know that you only need to look as far as the Dodgers’ bullpen to see what COVID-19 can do to even healthy pro athletes.

    Closer Kenley Jansen contracted COVID-19 prior to the start of the season, and it wracked him for two full weeks. "Recovering from COVID was tough," Jansen told ESPN this week. "You still feel side effects once in a while. Your body feels — I don't know, fighting it."

    Turner is the focus here, but he’s not the scapegoat; he had plenty of enablers along the way. Baseball and the Dodgers have plenty to answer for here too. After a stumbling start with multiple infections across several teams, the cries of “Shut it down!” surged. But baseball found its footing and pressed on, and like the NBA and NHL, played for weeks on end — 58 straight days, until Turner — without a positive test. That’s an admirable testament — plus a healthy share of good luck — to the league and the players who sacrificed for a greater purpose.

    But the league owes the Dodgers a fruit basket for winning Tuesday night. Had baseball adhered to its own guidelines, Game 7 would have likely been postponed, with many of Turner’s teammates potentially quarantined as well. A Game 6 victory prevented that public-relations nightmare, but couldn’t prevent the terrible optics of Turner sitting on the field, unmasked and grinning, amid dozens of teammates and team officials.

    Team and league security officials apparently tried to stop Turner from rejoining his teammates, but he was determined to push through, regardless of what it meant for everyone around him. And, apparently, he had some accomplices willing to bend the rules on his behalf.

    “We’re going to get him a picture, then get him off [the field],” one Dodgers official said, according to The Athletic. “We can’t deny him that. The guy is the heart and soul of the organization.”

    This is the conflict that’s at the heart of the entire coronavirus response in America. We don’t want to deny ourselves any good times — the parties, the hangouts, the World Series celebrations — even if it means spreading the virus further, even if it just means extending the date when America returns to “normal” far past that of so many other countries that have curbed the virus’ spread.

    Sure, anyone with a shred of empathy would feel bad for Turner, having to sit on a folding chair in some sterile Globe Life Stadium back room, watching his teammates celebrate one of their life’s highlights just a few feet away. But how many millions of Americans have missed out on celebrating less-televised — but no less meaningful — moments of their own? Birthdays, graduations, reunions, holidays — all sacrificed in the name of the greater good. I’d love to have a World Series-style dogpile with my extended family on Thanksgiving. But that’s not happening this year, not for me, probably not for you, and not for most Americans.

    We’re all looking for pandemic solutions. In the absence of solutions, we’re looking for hope. And in the absence of hope, we’re looking for anyone to tell us relaxthis isn’t really all that bad, regardless of whether they have any idea what they’re talking about. Turner and all the other Americans who continue to hang out in crowds, mingle up close in bars, attend crowded rallies and weddings and parties are in effect saying, “See? This is no big deal!”

    If only that were the truth.

    The World Series is done. The much larger, far more important battle isn’t even close to being over.

    Totally disgraceful I’m sorry but to me he’s a giant asshole! 
    ....but people on here said that it was such a special occasion and defended him...

    https://youtu.be/eBShN8qT4lk

    Aren't you the same person who was posting pictures of yourself going out to eat and for a beer when everything in most countries was on lockdown?

    Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is wrong to do what he did since he had a positive test.....but people here were questioning your choices as well.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,099
    edited October 2020
    mcgruff10 said:

    Justin Turner's selfish World Series celebration is a symptom of a much larger problem

    You’d think baseball, of all sports, would know the dangers of celebrating before the final out is in the books. You’d think the Dodgers, just three days removed from one of the most wrenching last-second defeats in World Series history, would realize that a game’s not over just because you want it to be.

    And yet baseball might have just managed to blow a 10-run, two-out, two-strike, bottom-of-the-ninth lead on COVID-19, all because Justin Turner had to get his picture with the World Series trophy after being pulled from the lineup in the 8th inning for testing positive.

    I don’t know what it’s like to win a World Series, and probably neither do you. But here’s what we all do know: We know what it’s like to go months without hugging our distant loved ones. We know what it’s like to watch children wear cute little masks, unaware of how heartbreaking that is. We know what it’s like to stare, day after day, at the same walls, at the same computer screen. We know what it’s like to worry about the health of our older relatives, worry about the effects on kids kept out of school, worry about our jobs and our mental health. We know difficult times demand difficult choices.

    So, yeah, when you see someone like Turner just casually flaunting the hard-and-fast, no-gray-area rules a billion-dollar industry put in place to preserve some sense of normalcy (yes, and financial solvency) — it doesn’t go over so well. You see Turner — a guy who, again, literally just tested positive for COVID-19 — happily partying mask-off among his teammates, the same way you see beachgoers or attendees at a rally mingling up cheek-to-cheek, and you want to rip your television off the wall.

    Make no mistake: This isn’t about mask-shaming or pearl-clutching scare tactics about “what might happen if.” This is science. The dude had a positive test. This isn’t “acceptable risk.” This is willfully endangering others — and their kids, and their older relatives — in the midst of a new surge for a few minutes of celebration.

    I know all the smug defenses — the almost-certain survival rate for someone in Turner’s demographic; the relatively low possibility of transmission in an open-air environment; the fact that he might have already infected teammates before the test results were known; the whole aw, come on, let ’em celebrate mindset. I also know that you only need to look as far as the Dodgers’ bullpen to see what COVID-19 can do to even healthy pro athletes.

    Closer Kenley Jansen contracted COVID-19 prior to the start of the season, and it wracked him for two full weeks. "Recovering from COVID was tough," Jansen told ESPN this week. "You still feel side effects once in a while. Your body feels — I don't know, fighting it."

    Turner is the focus here, but he’s not the scapegoat; he had plenty of enablers along the way. Baseball and the Dodgers have plenty to answer for here too. After a stumbling start with multiple infections across several teams, the cries of “Shut it down!” surged. But baseball found its footing and pressed on, and like the NBA and NHL, played for weeks on end — 58 straight days, until Turner — without a positive test. That’s an admirable testament — plus a healthy share of good luck — to the league and the players who sacrificed for a greater purpose.

    But the league owes the Dodgers a fruit basket for winning Tuesday night. Had baseball adhered to its own guidelines, Game 7 would have likely been postponed, with many of Turner’s teammates potentially quarantined as well. A Game 6 victory prevented that public-relations nightmare, but couldn’t prevent the terrible optics of Turner sitting on the field, unmasked and grinning, amid dozens of teammates and team officials.

    Team and league security officials apparently tried to stop Turner from rejoining his teammates, but he was determined to push through, regardless of what it meant for everyone around him. And, apparently, he had some accomplices willing to bend the rules on his behalf.

    “We’re going to get him a picture, then get him off [the field],” one Dodgers official said, according to The Athletic. “We can’t deny him that. The guy is the heart and soul of the organization.”

    This is the conflict that’s at the heart of the entire coronavirus response in America. We don’t want to deny ourselves any good times — the parties, the hangouts, the World Series celebrations — even if it means spreading the virus further, even if it just means extending the date when America returns to “normal” far past that of so many other countries that have curbed the virus’ spread.

    Sure, anyone with a shred of empathy would feel bad for Turner, having to sit on a folding chair in some sterile Globe Life Stadium back room, watching his teammates celebrate one of their life’s highlights just a few feet away. But how many millions of Americans have missed out on celebrating less-televised — but no less meaningful — moments of their own? Birthdays, graduations, reunions, holidays — all sacrificed in the name of the greater good. I’d love to have a World Series-style dogpile with my extended family on Thanksgiving. But that’s not happening this year, not for me, probably not for you, and not for most Americans.

    We’re all looking for pandemic solutions. In the absence of solutions, we’re looking for hope. And in the absence of hope, we’re looking for anyone to tell us relaxthis isn’t really all that bad, regardless of whether they have any idea what they’re talking about. Turner and all the other Americans who continue to hang out in crowds, mingle up close in bars, attend crowded rallies and weddings and parties are in effect saying, “See? This is no big deal!”

    If only that were the truth.

    The World Series is done. The much larger, far more important battle isn’t even close to being over.

    Totally disgraceful I’m sorry but to me he’s a giant asshole! 
    ....but people on here said that it was such a special occasion and defended him...

    https://youtu.be/eBShN8qT4lk

    Aren't you the same person who was posting pictures of yourself going out to eat and for a beer when everything in most countries was on lockdown?

    Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is wrong to do what he did since he had a positive test.....but people here were questioning your choices as well.
    If I would have sick, I would not have. 

    Otherwise I adhere to the recommendations given to me. The restaurants and bars here are open, for people to be able to go "out to eat and for a beer ". With restrictions due to the pandemic that the establishments are set to follow

    Other countries being in strict lockdown at the time, that is their choice. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,253
    Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

    Johan is redeemed once again.
    So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?
    This weekend we rock Portland
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    Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,516
    Poncier said:
    Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

    Johan is redeemed once again.
    So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?
    Yeah, if you're turning to Bill Maher for validation... yikes.
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    Poncier said:
    Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

    Johan is redeemed once again.
    So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?
    No, have I stated that? 

    Not a superfan of him.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,099
    edited October 2020
    Poncier said:
    Bill Maher supports a swedish method, he said on Kimmel.

    Johan is redeemed once again.
    So a hack stand up comic is now an infectious disease expert?
    Yeah, if you're turning to Bill Maher for validation... yikes.
    Hopefully no one is. In any respect.

    His laugh is kind of cute sometimes though.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    On Thursday, the Public Health Agency announces that it has decided on stricter general advice in three more regions - Stockholm, Västra Götaland (where Spitiual_Chaos lives) and Östergötland.  

    The new, stricter restrictions apply from 29 October, and call on people in the three regions to:
    - Refrain from staying in indoor environments such as shops, malls, museums, libraries, bathhouses and gyms. Necessary visits to, for example, grocery stores and pharmacies can be made.

    - Refrain from participating in, for example, meetings, concerts, performances, sports training, matches and competitions. However, this does not apply to sports training for children and young people born in 2005 or later.

    -If possible, avoid having physical contact with people other than those you live with. This means, among other things, a dissuasion from arranging or participating in a party or similar social gathering.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,314
    joseph33 said:
    Trump= economy good,more positive cases more death. Biden=Economy goes into a depression,Corona is slowed,lives are saved. There you go!
    I’ll take lives saved for a thousand Alex or how many could of been saved if Covidiot had taken all precautionary steps I’m sorry but I’m not looking at $ against human lives! You can keep your $$$
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,837
    post-infection covid immunity lasts many months, study finds:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/health/covid-immunity-lingers-months-wellness/index.html
    Flight Risk out NOW!

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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    post-infection covid immunity lasts many months, study finds:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/health/covid-immunity-lingers-months-wellness/index.html
    I’ve seen several studies lately looking at how T-cells could come into play with long term immunity.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,179
    PJPOWER said:
    post-infection covid immunity lasts many months, study finds:

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/29/health/covid-immunity-lingers-months-wellness/index.html
    I’ve seen several studies lately looking at how T-cells could come into play with long term immunity.
    earlier this week i saw something about a study showing that immunity does not last as long and that makes people susceptible to catching covid again. i will try to find it.
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    Any studies on how many people are catching it from the air (like someone breathing out or sneezing) versus getting it on and then from your own hands?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,837
    Any studies on how many people are catching it from the air (like someone breathing out or sneezing) versus getting it on and then from your own hands?
    how could they possibly know that, unless they studied two groups, one group with no hands and one group that wore gas masks 24/7?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,179
    Any studies on how many people are catching it from the air (like someone breathing out or sneezing) versus getting it on and then from your own hands?
    how could they possibly know that, unless they studied two groups, one group with no hands and one group that wore gas masks 24/7?
    also need a control group of people who both breathe air and have hands.
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    Any studies on how many people are catching it from the air (like someone breathing out or sneezing) versus getting it on and then from your own hands?
    how could they possibly know that, unless they studied two groups, one group with no hands and one group that wore gas masks 24/7?
    also need a control group of people who both breathe air and have hands.
    :lol:
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,385
    Any studies on how many people are catching it from the air (like someone breathing out or sneezing) versus getting it on and then from your own hands?
    how could they possibly know that, unless they studied two groups, one group with no hands and one group that wore gas masks 24/7?
    also need a control group of people who both breathe air and have hands.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,131
    mcgruff10 said:
    We just doubled our student population; I teach from a little corner of my classroom and don't move.  I feel like it is only a matter of time before an outbreak occurs.  In my school we have had teachers have legit panic attacks so severe that they were rushed to the hospital.   
    Its just unfair on teachers to risk their  life thats  not part of the deal. Fuck this shit
    My daughter has been in school all year. About 70% choose in school option. About 1200 kids roughly. 0 in school transmission. 
    I have not been in a classroom in a school all year. This week alone, three students' *entire families* have contracted the virus, big Hispanic families. Parents who had to work brought it home. But when I look at the state database of reported cases, guess how many new cases were listed for my city in the past week? ONE. The tracing, the reporting -- the numbers are all bullshit. Don't believe any of them.

    I suspect a couple of things are going on in schools regarding transmission, in general.

    1. School districts are lying about and covering up the number of cases, using HIPAA as their excuse. I know this is happening for sure in parts of my state (but not my district. My district has handled this whole situation tremendously well, thankfully).

    2. School districts with large populations of low income students are seeing more outbreaks. My district will be over-run by this disease if we go back in. I don't know about your child's school, but based on your report of 0 cases, I wonder how lily-white affluent it is. Or who's lying.
    Look, I was sharing my personal data. I’m sure it’s not the same everywhere. 

    The school is more affluent but has a decent amount of diversity but it’s in regards to asian families.  

    Masks and protocols work if people follow them. They are working all over the place. Masks work. Distance as you can works.

    If people are bring it home from work they are having the proper protocols set in place. It works. We just have to stop being so fucking stupid, it’s nothing to do with “lily white”, it’s being smart. If everyone wore masks, distance as appropriate we’d be able to get our hands around this. But I’m pretty tired of people thinking safety protocols don’t work. It’s always like this, people don’t believe in safety protocols (either too much or too little). Everyone thinks they are the expert. Listen to the real experts. Covid is awful, it is killing people. It is killing people because others aren’t doing the basic things needed.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,179
    mcgruff10 said:
    We just doubled our student population; I teach from a little corner of my classroom and don't move.  I feel like it is only a matter of time before an outbreak occurs.  In my school we have had teachers have legit panic attacks so severe that they were rushed to the hospital.   
    Its just unfair on teachers to risk their  life thats  not part of the deal. Fuck this shit
    My daughter has been in school all year. About 70% choose in school option. About 1200 kids roughly. 0 in school transmission. 
    I have not been in a classroom in a school all year. This week alone, three students' *entire families* have contracted the virus, big Hispanic families. Parents who had to work brought it home. But when I look at the state database of reported cases, guess how many new cases were listed for my city in the past week? ONE. The tracing, the reporting -- the numbers are all bullshit. Don't believe any of them.

    I suspect a couple of things are going on in schools regarding transmission, in general.

    1. School districts are lying about and covering up the number of cases, using HIPAA as their excuse. I know this is happening for sure in parts of my state (but not my district. My district has handled this whole situation tremendously well, thankfully).

    2. School districts with large populations of low income students are seeing more outbreaks. My district will be over-run by this disease if we go back in. I don't know about your child's school, but based on your report of 0 cases, I wonder how lily-white affluent it is. Or who's lying.
    Look, I was sharing my personal data. I’m sure it’s not the same everywhere. 

    The school is more affluent but has a decent amount of diversity but it’s in regards to asian families.  

    Masks and protocols work if people follow them. They are working all over the place. Masks work. Distance as you can works.

    If people are bring it home from work they are having the proper protocols set in place. It works. We just have to stop being so fucking stupid, it’s nothing to do with “lily white”, it’s being smart. If everyone wore masks, distance as appropriate we’d be able to get our hands around this. But I’m pretty tired of people thinking safety protocols don’t work. It’s always like this, people don’t believe in safety protocols (either too much or too little). Everyone thinks they are the expert. Listen to the real experts. Covid is awful, it is killing people. It is killing people because others aren’t doing the basic things needed.
    also it does not help when the president of the united states says in televised rallies that masks actually contribute to catching covid.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,017
    Any studies on how many people are catching it from the air (like someone breathing out or sneezing) versus getting it on and then from your own hands?
    how could they possibly know that, unless they studied two groups, one group with no hands and one group that wore gas masks 24/7?
    But haven't most people who don't have hands learn to use their feet like hands?
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    what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    mcgruff10 said:
    We just doubled our student population; I teach from a little corner of my classroom and don't move.  I feel like it is only a matter of time before an outbreak occurs.  In my school we have had teachers have legit panic attacks so severe that they were rushed to the hospital.   
    Its just unfair on teachers to risk their  life thats  not part of the deal. Fuck this shit
    My daughter has been in school all year. About 70% choose in school option. About 1200 kids roughly. 0 in school transmission. 
    I have not been in a classroom in a school all year. This week alone, three students' *entire families* have contracted the virus, big Hispanic families. Parents who had to work brought it home. But when I look at the state database of reported cases, guess how many new cases were listed for my city in the past week? ONE. The tracing, the reporting -- the numbers are all bullshit. Don't believe any of them.

    I suspect a couple of things are going on in schools regarding transmission, in general.

    1. School districts are lying about and covering up the number of cases, using HIPAA as their excuse. I know this is happening for sure in parts of my state (but not my district. My district has handled this whole situation tremendously well, thankfully).

    2. School districts with large populations of low income students are seeing more outbreaks. My district will be over-run by this disease if we go back in. I don't know about your child's school, but based on your report of 0 cases, I wonder how lily-white affluent it is. Or who's lying.
    Look, I was sharing my personal data. I’m sure it’s not the same everywhere. 

    The school is more affluent but has a decent amount of diversity but it’s in regards to asian families.  

    Masks and protocols work if people follow them. They are working all over the place. Masks work. Distance as you can works.

    If people are bring it home from work they are having the proper protocols set in place. It works. We just have to stop being so fucking stupid, it’s nothing to do with “lily white”, it’s being smart. If everyone wore masks, distance as appropriate we’d be able to get our hands around this. But I’m pretty tired of people thinking safety protocols don’t work. It’s always like this, people don’t believe in safety protocols (either too much or too little). Everyone thinks they are the expert. Listen to the real experts. Covid is awful, it is killing people. It is killing people because others aren’t doing the basic things needed.
    Safety protocols work. I agree wholeheartedly. After posting last night, I started thinking how masking would work for my students. Everyone wants to debate whether a kid can keep a mask on all day. Nobody is talking about the *expense* of masking.

    65% of the students in my school district are on free and reduced lunch. Families don't have the money to buy masks for multiple children to change everyday. Some of them wear the same clothes everyday, and a subset of those kids come to school with funky smelly clothes they don't wash. You think they're going to regularly wash a cloth mask?  A box of 50 disposable masks on Amazon goes for about $35.00. Who is buying the masks for these families??? 

    There are cultural things white people of means just don't think about. That's all I'm saying. I know a nurse who happens to also be Hispanic. She said herself "My people just don't understand" and went on about how they haven't stopped having parties and kissing and hugging . . . and not to mention how the vast majority live in multigenerational homes, the ones really hard off have an entire family packed into single rented rooms.

    Things are not the same everywhere. 

    And the numbers aren't to be trusted. I'll stand by that until this is "over."
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,837
    mace1229 said:
    Any studies on how many people are catching it from the air (like someone breathing out or sneezing) versus getting it on and then from your own hands?
    how could they possibly know that, unless they studied two groups, one group with no hands and one group that wore gas masks 24/7?
    But haven't most people who don't have hands learn to use their feet like hands?
    that comment is handist. 
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    This thread suddenly got a very mean tone.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,314
    My daughter works at a day care here on Long Island her boss tested positive the county shut it down for two weeks, thankfully my daughter has tested negative! But this is not good to think we might be on our way to another wave I’m sick to my stomach at how inept we are for supposedly being the greatest country in the world, NOT! 
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    hedonisthedonist standing on the edge of forever Posts: 24,524
    I’m not sure I grasp the meaning there. 

    On the other hand...
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    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    Yes, it makes me sick to my stomach too. We have a president who lied to us starting in January, a whole govt full of inept people who stood by and said nothing while he lied to us; a nation dull of governors who thought ABC stores and Chick-Fil-A drive-throughs were essential businesses; half the population of Americans flocking to garden centers and home improvement stores; construction crews continuing on with their development, because that was also essential. All this in March. Never mind the summer or now. March. We blew it. It's too late. The wreckage is done, it's every man/woman/they for themselves at this point. Good luck.

    I've got my FMLA paperwork filed and approved if I need to use it. I'm not killing my mother by catching COVID at school if my district decides to open up. I don't think they will because they've been very, very smart so far about the whole thing, from announcing fall closure early in July so parents could plan, to training teachers for the whole month of August, providing every student with a computer and and free hot spots for those who need it. I'm so proud of my community and the way we're all just getting it done. There's no pathetic whining about kids' lives being doomed forever. Everyone is showing up and making the best of it, learning and growing and surviving and many of them thriving in this environment. I tell my students every day their future is as bright as it's always been, to ignore anyone who tells them that their lives are being wrecked by remote learning. I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would put those ideas into a child's head. 
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